Lurker > Eerieka

First Eriovixia gryffindori, now Lycosa aragogi? Some spider biologist is waaaay too into Harry Potter.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I never participated in games like that, but I observed some. When I would watch TV or anime with Arria she'd often come up with insanely ridiculous theories for things going on, which was why I wanted her to read Umineko.

Nanjorus is so good. I wonder how she'll think about his death in Ep 3. I think that part explicitly states that only humans are involved.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Game: Kinzo’s assassin (implication being an assassin he hired, rather than one meant to kill him)
A; Uh, I don’t think assassin is the word you want there. She’s going to end you, too, Kinzo.

Natsuhi: A VIP room? A guest?
A: How do YOU not know about this? Aren’t you the senior female in charge of all this bullshit? I thought the servants answered to you

A: Paranoia and grasping at straws moment. Eva’s hairpin is pretty small and looks like the Head’s ring. I wonder if she’s using it as a fake seal. Not that it really matters since wax seals are hardly secure anyway.

Rudolf: maybe he has a mistress
A: I think Kinzo’s a little too old for that
K: He’s loaded. Lots of girls would be willing
A: I mean sex. He might be too old to get it up anymore
K That might not be the point. Maybe he wants to dress her up as his witch. Maybe it’s not… ponos in vagoo, but rather just playing chess with a woman who looks like Beatrice.
A: Ponos and Vagoo?
And thus I had to tell her about the FSN comic about that. Also the family went with my idea a line or two later. Yay!

A: I think Umineko is a guide to alternative thinking. Already I’ve started using the ‘turn the chessboard over’ to help me deal with customers.
We haven’t even gotten to the meat of the game yet.

Nanjo says he’s gonna leave
A: I like the idea that he’s just laying around like that *points to dog* while the adults are yelling. Then he just gets up and ‘arf arf arf’s out of the room
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Until you guys mentioned it, I thought Kyrie's diamonds were a design printed on the shirt rather than holes in the fabric. That is weird. It'd probably be easier for everyone involved (costume-maker and my Kyrie look-alike friend) if we go with my initial perspective. I'll just have the diamond shapes colored on the clothes.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I told her before we started reading that the OST was really good, but since we're only in ep 2, she hasn't heard a lot of great pieces yet.

Thanks for the questions, Raka. I'll ask her on Wednesday.

Their hairstyles aren't that difficult, especially when you compare it to the outlandish stuff you see in anime. Natsuhi's and Eva's just need to be pinned up in a specific way. Rosa's is just a hime cut which isn't common irl in America, but it could be done. I've actually wanted to cut my bangs recently, so whenever we do the cosplay, I might get it done in hime style at that point. The friend who I want to dress as Kyrie already has short hair blonde hair and she's dyed it white/silver before.

I mean, we aren't super pretty or anything. >_> It's just something that I've always wanted to since reading Umineko for the first time. Arria loves the color purple, so I thought she'd enjoy dressing as Natushi. I love Rosa's dress and always wanted to dress like her. My Kyrie-friend already looks like her, so I thought it was a good match. The Eva-friend was more of the odd one out. She doesn't really look like Eva at all, but eh, she's into cosplaying so she can make it work.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Arria just sent me a text asking for a link to Goldenslaughterer because she wanted to listen to it but didn't want to search in case spoilers came up.

Yessss, we got her
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

A: Fuck, Shannon found a backbone. I’m not sure where. Possibly the spine of her last incarnation.
Beatrice says some scary stuff
A: Yeah, you die last, bitch.

Beatrice mentioned Fragments, with a capital F, and Arria didn’t know why it was capitalized. I told Arria about the Sea of Kakera back during the tea party, so I had to remind her of it again.

Game: Beatrice had a look of hatred
A: Again, this isn’t a look of hatred. *switches to original sprites* Okay THAT is a look of hatred. But this one looks more like ‘you really want me to dress as a T-rex? Well if it gets you off…’

Dinner
A: Ah, time for Ryukishi’s food porn. My second-favorite type of Ryukishi porn.
Aaaaand now she spends a moment googling all the things Gohda talks about.

Hideyoshi praises Gohda’s cooking and advertising
A: I like Hideyoshi. He seems like a legitimate happy man

A: Gohda’s face here. I don’t mean this sexually, but I want to spank him. Tie him up and humiliate him. Okay, I guess that IS sexual. What was his original sprite like? *she changes it and shudders in horror*
I then make her watch the version of the OP where someone replaced everyone’s head with Gohda. Since it’s blurry as fuck and everyone is a Gohda, I wasn’t worried about spoilers
A: What the fuck was that? Somebody had way too much time and alcohol on their hands.

A: new headcanon. Will proably get shot down. Based on the last line I just said, Gohda is Maria’s father because Rosa at one point had the same thought I did about needing to spank him.

Upon reflecting on her recent insanity
A: I don’t even know anymore. What the fuck is wrong with me?
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

The aunts are damn good looking, imo. Part of the reason why I wanted me and my friends to cosplay as them lol, and the fact they have neat fashion. It helps that my group of friends already kinda-sorta look like the aunts in question. At least as far as hair goes. >_>

Gonna read some more Seacats with Arria on Wednesday! I still have a lot more material saved up from our last reading, so it'll be a while before we get to the new stuff. She JUST reached the reveal of red truth in our last session. Is there anything you guys would like me to tell/ask her?
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Shannon delivers the meal to Beatrice. I guess this is happening in her head, and wherever Kanon is right now is where this is ‘really’ happening.

A: You said one time that things Battler doesn’t see may or may not be happening. Which Battler?
K: Good question. I was specifically referring to Battler of the Gameboard. Meta-Battler can see everything that Beatrice shows him, but it’s not undoubtedly real until Piece-Battler sees it

Shannon: We cannot understand your grand thoughts
A: I hope somewhere there’s art that shows Beatrice is thinking something like ‘bacon sounds good now.’

A: Beatrice reminds me of the Slack Wyrm
http://www.joshuawright.net/slack-wyrm-076.html

Shannon: dinner is ready
A: Going by the last line of dialogue and that face, she spit in that. She spit in it and she’s gonna blame Gohda.

A: So in most stories with magical beings, a promise is magically binding. Is Beatrice bound to keep her promise or can her fickle nature say ‘nah fuck you?’

Shannon: I found a way to resist you
A: Not care?
Shannon: I don’t care about you
A: *laughs* I didn’t expect her to actually say that.

A: I feel like this music belongs in a spy movie when someone is doing the obvious creep.
The song in question is Melody. She specifically heard the first part. It starts to sound like a more regular song afterwards.


Game: the witch’s features twisted in hate
A: That isn’t a look of hate. That’s ‘oh god it’s cold. Get it out of my anus.’”
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

*phone rings*
A: How much you wanna bet it’s Kanon?
K: (thinking) not bloody likely since Shannon is here
A: Oh I was wrong, it was Genji.

Yasu talks to himself for a bit
Kanon: Beatrice is planning something too horrible to imagine
A: Anything too horrible for anyone but Ryukishi to imagine.

A: So is everyone just sitting here with their thumbs up their asses while this discussion is happening?
K: I think they went into another room.
Of course, it’s happening in Yasu’s head so it doesn’t matter where they physically are

Kanon: We must reach the Golden Land!
A: I kinda feel like his next time is ‘we gotta drink the Kool-aid. Ascend the mothership!’ Kanon is the perfect cultist.

Kanon talks about how he wants to be human again and experience romance. Course we know how that’s gonna work out.
A: Kanon, you make the voices in my head beat their heads against walls.

Kinzo: I won’t leave!
A: This reminds me of in the Beverly Hillbillies movie when the grandma says she won’t leave her rocking chair, so they tied her rocking chair to the truck.
K: You are admitting to the internet that you’ve watching that movie?
A: Hush you, I watched it with my grandmother when I was a kid. But can’t you see Krauss carrying him out? ‘I’m tired of your shit, dad!’”
Kinzo: vultures!
A: I kinda hope he maybe wasn’t always THIS crazy

Genji: shall I bring in your dinner?
Game: Nanjo was in there
A: No, we don’t want the room smelling like fish

Kinzo: we’ll finish our game in the Golden Land
A: Do me a favor, Kira. If I ever start to talk like that, immediately call up the local insane asylum. Don’t just humor me like the walrus did.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I think in that context, she was just referring to interests in general i.e. Umineko in this case, not necessarily sexual fetishes. Though the fact that we all like Umineko probably says something about our sexual fetishes as well. :P

I like to think George and Shannon would adopt kids once the who not-fully-female thing got revealed.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Shannon: Kanon is growing up
A: Now he thinks he’s a mighty coat rack, but he used to think he was a tiny foot stool.

George: I want two kids at the very least
K: (thinking) You’re gonna be so disappointed
A: It’s funny when you see lines like that. Men don’t really get the choice there unless you get an artificial womb or you’re a seahorse. Talk it over with your wife.
K: (thinking) Man this scene fucking breaks my heart because Shannon won’t be having any kids
A: Have you fucking met this family you work for? Like, I have some issues with my in laws at times, but Jesus. It’s like if you’re a Pokemon trainer with a Rapidash. Like yeah, they’re kinda big and on fire, but then you meet someone with a Wailord and they’re like ‘it’s alright.’ No! It’s not alright! That thing is fucking massive! Actually let me rephrase, I have minor problem with my family. This one will actually assassinate you.

A: Honestly, I think George and her may have been better off just eloping. Change their names, move to Canada, and never deal with the Ushiromiya family ever again.

Jessica: What about Aunt Eva?
A: *laughs* I like how they immediately understand the situation. And just watch. George and Shannon are gonna be completely out of reality in their answer. Like ‘oh! She’ll come around!’ No…
George: It’s no one’s choice by my own
A: Yep. Eva is gonna poison Shannon’s oatmeal.

Jessica: George you’re saying embarrassing things
A: I don’t think embarrassing is the word I’d use. Maybe naïve. Or potentially fatal.

I read the word ‘study’ just as George’s VA said ‘Shannon’
K: For a moment I thought he said he was going to study Shannon
A: oh he’s going to have a doctorate in that by the time he’s done. Or at least he hopes
K: (thinking) Shannon is probably a topic worthy of a doctorate
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Raka, if I tell Arria that, she will hold you to it. On a side note, I told her how a person reading this was from Indonesia and she thought that was pretty cool. In her words: "Ah internet. Bringing people from across the world together who never knew they had the same kinks."
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Maria: Beatrice will save me if I am in trouble!
A: It is adorable you think that!

A: Ignoring the magical stuff for a moment, that’s a particularly dark coping mechanism. Basically, Maria thinks there’s a 50/50 shot of being Mama being nice-Rosa or black-witch-Rosa. And she notices that Mama is scared of Beatrice. Maybe she thinks ‘If I can make Mama think that I’m with Beatrice, I can keep Mama from being scared, and from turning into the black witch.’

Rosa gets mad at Maria for laughing creepy.
A: Unfortunately for you, it backfired! Although if you hadn’t laughed at the end, it probably wouldn’t have.

A: the more we get into this, the more I think Rosa is having tea with the mother from Carrie. ‘Yes, my daughter is a witch! Care for a biscuit?’

A: Okay, horrible theory #526. Maybe the reason Battler can tell Beatrice to go fuck herself is because he spent 6 years away from the family and their influence. Maybe I’ve been wrong. Maybe she’s been subtly influencing the children and their parents over a long period of time and she couldn’t get her claws into him.

We talk a bit about psychology, both its pros and cons, and we come to the conclusion that Ryukishi is a master of this shit. He probably has the DSM and every psych textbook on his desk.

Shannon has a line that, out of context, looks very dirty. Arria is, as you’ve hopefully noticed, a dirty woman. She likes to read porn fanfics. She said that after she finishes Umineko, she wants to read all the porn fics she can find related to it.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I hope Anagram is aware that his list includes traps. All recommended by the same person, too. Nice!
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

A: You can tell a lot about a man based on the students he picks. By that logic… fuck, Beatrice is messed up. Ignoring my opinion of Maria, Beatrice has chosen to pick on the weakest of the group. The weakest in terms of physicality and mental fortitude. If Beatrice is serious about having Maria as a student (which I don’t think she is. I think she’s toying with her), then I think this is a Sith relationship where you don’t become a Sith until you kill her. So Maria will be Beatrice’s puppet unless she kills Beatrice. And of course, that’s just the magical side of things. I could think about it more, but I want to think about the real aspect.

A: When does autism start to show up?
K: I would assume from birth. My sister had her son diagnosed at 3
A: So why would Beatrice pick Maria? Was she more malleable to suggestion and magic than the others? Why not Jessica who lives on the island? Beatrice would have a lot of time to train Jessica, but no, she chooses Maria. I almost feel that there’s a lack of understanding of ethics and in Maria. I don’t know if that’s part of Maria’s autism or Beatrice’s influence, especially when she goes dark. She’s the kind of kid who would pull wings off a dragonfly without realizing she’s causing it pain.
(while I’m typing)
A: But you may have given me the solution
K: Uh oh. What did I say?
A: Beatrice is Tinkerbell. She wants you to say she exists, but for Maria the line between fantasy and reality doesn’t exist. She seems like the kind of person who… we get lost in video games and such. Immersion is high. But at the end of the day, we understand they aren’t real. They’re a good compass and map in a way of gauging ethics, but at the end of the day I know that if I jump off the empire state building, I go splat. Maria doesn’t get that. She doesn’t realize that her make believe friends are just that. She thinks they’re real. To go further into my rambling… did she create Beatrice? A derivative of the old question: does God create man, or does man create God?
A: Also is it bad that I’m using arguments from a fictional character to discuss fictional characters in an entirely different medium and genre? (the line about judging a man based on his students comes from The Dresden Files)
K: I don’t think it’s bad. I think it’s just applying knowledge you’ve gained in various other fields. Learn something in one book – use it to solve another. Critical thinking. It’s what they tried to teach us in school
A: It feels too much like giving into the characters in my head. It’s become a game of ‘pick of the three characters in my head I’m quoting.’ At least I’m a little saner than the character I’m taking the advice of.

Rosa: How do I meet Beatrice?
A: The same way you find a cat. Open up a can of tuna and ignore it.

A: I’m sorry, but every time that sprite comes up, I get the urge to punch her. Reminds me of something I read online: Damn the horror industry for making kids creepy. I swear one day when I have kids, I’ll hear their pitter patter and get scared and roundhouse kick my child
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I've not read the manga. Just seen a few pages here and there, particularly ones where the solution is given very blatantly. I guess some people have a problem with that, but I like it. I like that it addresses certain issues like "why does Shannon appear to have big breasts?"

I'm being slightly facetious. Don't hurt me.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

lmao what the fuck. I'm glad you pointed that out to me because that's comedy fucking gold.

Because of how long it's been and the fact i didn't write anything down, I've forgotten what some of my theories were. I remember thinking that there WAS an extra person on the island: Kinzo's daughter through Kuwadorian Beatrice, and that girl's name was Maria Ushiromiya. I thought that the bottles had been sent by her and whenever Ange read Maria's diary in Ep 4, it was actually that other Maria. I was aware of Maria's name kanji also being related to the epitaph, namely that the 'ri' part is the 'village' and 'a' looked like a chapel/cross or a key. I thought that would be important to solving the riddle.

I knew Kanon was fishy as fuck because his corpse kept disappearing, but I thought it was a red herring and Battler was just too dumb to find it. :/
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Day 7, 6/26/17

We start with Rosa and Maria in front of the portrait.

Stupefaction plays. It has a low buzzing sound
A: This sound might bug me more than the clock ticking does.

There’s a discussion of how Maria has met with Beatrice every year and ‘learned magic’ from her.
A: So how much of this happened, and how much is in Maria’s head?

Rosa suspects that the magic circles in Maria’s notebook couldn’t have been drawn by Maria
A: Or Maria traced them out of a book.

A: And are we gonna learn now that Rosa used to play with Beatrice when she was a kid? Maybe she suppressed the memory or something.
Game: Beatrice was a synonym for terror
A: Or not!
Actually fairly on-point with that prediction. I don’t recall, though. Did Rosa only meet Kuwadorian Beatrice once, or was it multiple times?

Rosa dreading opening the letter
A: What in the world could be written inside? An invitation to tea and cookies, what do you think?

Rosa: should I read the letter first?
A: No, because if you break the seal, they start questioning you.

A: Don’t break promises to magical creatures. They don’t take it nicely.

Maria: (pretty much exactly what Arria just said)
A: Great. I’m in agreement with Maria of all people.

A: Every story I’ve read involving witches and wizards has something bad happening to the apprentice. Best case scenario, they have some psychological scarring.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Raka_Putra posted...

Oh it was a reference to RuPaul's Drag Race, a drag queen tournament show.

Oh man that's even better than I imagined. XD Now I'm imagining Rudolf's Ryukishi-drawn head on Beatrice's dress-sprite

Raka_Putra posted...

Also, man, I still wish there were more of Hideyoshi. He seems like relatively the most consistently pleasant and normal guy, so I'd love to see how he'd deal with some situations. The farthest he survive was like in... Episode 6 or so?

Yeah, he survived until the game's suspension in ep 6 (had to double check which one. I knew he was killed as part of the second twilight somewhere before the game suspended, but that was ep 5).

I don't know if I've posted it yet (might be coming up soon), but I recall Arria saying recently that she felt Hideyoshi was a genuinely happy man and she felt bad for him getting dragged into all this mess.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

The way she predicted it lends to an interesting story, imo. It could be one of the 'Eva culprit' forgeries. I could imagine Hideyoshi surviving and maybe making Eva slightly less miserable in the ensuing chaos. I also like the idea of "Kanon" i.e. Yasu and Battler surviving to the end and doing the whole 'jump of the rescue boat' thing. Rosa can die in the explosion or get shot by Eva/Hideyoshi.

Also Raka, I dont know if "RuFirdolf's Drag Race" is a reference to something, but it made me laugh my ass off imagining Rudolf's Ryukishi-drawn head just copy pasted on some drag racing car. XD
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

We return to the metaworld. Beatrice appears and says something about the pieces being in place
A: (imitating Beato) alright everyone, we all got Doritos? Mountain dew? We got a long game ahead of us!

Kyrie: I won’t press you about this right now…
A: Because we’re in public. As soon as we’re behind closed doors, I’m going to have a ‘what the fuck, husband?’ moment.

A: I’m wondering who’s gonna die in this one.
K: take your bets
A: So we got first twilight first. Roulette style. Kanon will die last, since he made his bet with the witch. Right up there with Battler since she wants to make him suffer. I think Gohda will live for a while. Let’s say Kumasawa dies right away this time. And Genji.
K: And I think I already told you that Rosa will live to the end
A: Yeah, but not Maria! So one of the later twilights for her. Kinzo will die somewhere in the middle. Natsuhi will be one of the first this time through. And I do think Shannon and George will be the second twilight, just because it’ll piss off Kanon. Beatrice seems to want to fuck with him. So let’s go with Krauss for first twilight. Now let’s throw in… Nanjo. Because life gets so much more interesting if they don’t have a doctor.
K: You mean a walrus
A: Yes, I do. Aaand… Jessica. So then the ones after the seconds twilight will be Kinzo, Maria just to fuck with Rosa. Rudolf and Kyrie.
K: What about Eva and Hideyoshi?
A: They might live longer… no point in tormenting them this time. Hmm. So the final survivors will be Battler, Kanon, and Rosa. And… let’s say Eva and Hideyoshi.
All together, predicts:

First twilight: Natsuhi, Krauss, Nanjo, Jessica, Genji, Kumasawa
Second twilight: Shannon and George
Fourth-Eighth, in any order: Rudolf, Kyrie, Kinzo, Maria, Gohda
Survive until the end: Battler, Kanon, Rosa, Eva, Hideyoshi

So while I was editing some things up there, Arria’s new dog licked and bumped my hand on the mouse and in effect, I somehow highlighted the ‘Fir’ in First and moved it to the middle of Rudolf’s name so that it looked like RuFirdolf. Now Arria is laughing her ass off at that and wants to make RuFirdolf his name.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Game: why did Jessica come to his mind right now?
A: I want to reach into the screen and shake Kanon. Because you’re about to die, moron!
K: I really like how Kanon brings out the worst in you.

Game: Shannon has lingering regrets
A: Namely that she didn’t drown her crazy-ass pseudo-brother when they were kids.

Beatrice: will those feelings turn into hatred for me?
A: I think we’ve passed that step.

Beatrice: you were implanted with a seed!
A: Umm, explain this sentence?
K: It is what it is.
A: Does Beatrice have parts we don’t know about? Does Kinzo know about child labor laws?

There’s something about Shannon not going to the Golden Land.
A: “So only those who survive to the end go to the Golden Land?”
K: “I don’t know. Shannon was there last time, remember? And she died in the first twilight.”
A: “But that was because George revived her, and he survived to the end.”
I really don’t know what the game wants us to believe. The epitaph says that everyone will be brought back to life, but ehh… well, I’m not sure how much it matters anyway since in the end, we’ll just toss this game board aside and go to the next one.

Beatrice tells Kanon to submit.
A: This is not the proper use of a coat rack.

Then Kanon kisses her shoe. Oh man I love submission scenes like this heheee. Guilty pleasure admitting time: Foot-kissing is my fetish. Not as a foot fetishist (because I’m not), but more as a submission/dominance thing. Doesn’t even matter to me if it’s a male or female on either end, it’s all good to me! Arria is mostly freaked out by how the screen turned all red for a moment.

There’s a talk about how Battler, as the main character, is just sitting off to the side of the stage why side characters have their turn. Jessica gets mad at that attitude
A: To be fair, Jessica once jumped in the middle of a stage and sang about having a flat chest. While looking like that. She’s anime busty, and that’s saying something in anime.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Huh, admittedly it's been a while since I've been involved in any discussion, but I thought chick Beatrice was her wearing the skirt/school girl outfit rather than the dress. Oh well.

Crusader Kings 2 brings out a lot of that in me, as well. I end up saying things out loud that are absolutely terrible out of context. Usually lines about killing my family or worshiping Satan.

Mega Mana, you don't need to use spoiler bars in this topic as long as it's about Umineko. if someone has read this deep into the topic and hasn't finished, well, I think they're a lost cause as far as keeping them safe from spoilers lol. Feel free to just post normally. :)
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Beatrice and Kanon share a moment. I have to wonder what’s going on in Yasu’s head right now.

Beatrice: something about three pillars of enjoyment in life. Tea being one.
A: what are the others? Sex and…? Video games? Books? I would be quite happy with a thousand years of books! But can you imagine if her favorite author died? God damn it, Robert Jordan! You’re not allowed to die yet!
K: To be fair, Beatrice could go to an alternate world and find one where he doesn’t die. Also, I argue that Brandon Sanderson made Wheel of Time great again
A: I agree. He was just the first author that came to mind who died midway through his series.

Beatrice: furniture, emotions, etc.
A: Coat racks can’t have emotions.
I think she took tcaz’s advice about Kanon being a coat rack because that it what she goes with every time now lol

A: Have you ever read something that you think “I never thought I would read that”? that’s every line in Umineko.
To be specific, the line that prompted that was ‘you are a model specimen of furniture.’
Beatrice: regrets are fun!
A: I take it back. Beatrice is a living one-night stand.
Beatrice: I adorn people’s fates with fruit and brandy and cook them like cakes
A: Worst. Chef. Ever.
She also clarified that I am to write that out with that exact punctuation. Yes, Arria, I know how the meme works lol. And gosh are you gonna have fun with the dinner from hell at the end of this episode~
A: Is this why you cooked Kinzo last time? She wouldn’t have to put brandy on him, he’s full of absinthe. They say the alcohol cooks off? I don’t think it did with Kinzo.

Game: but why was Kanon afraid of ending his life as furniture?
A: Because normal people are afraid of dying, dip shit.

Game: Thinking of Jessica like that was something furniture must never do
A: This fucking series man. This fucking series. You’re right. The furniture thing is creeping me out and I may never get over it. What does he do in the morning? ‘I am furniture, I am furniture, I am furniture.’ ‘Forgive me, Genji, for I have sinned.’ ‘Kanon my son, give me 40 ‘I am furnitures.’”
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Damn, tcaz, you're right. Those are apparently the magic words. I didn't really know what to call her sprite. I searched terms like 'chick Beatrice', 'schoolgirl'/'school girl', 'ep 2.' I looked up the ep 2 portrait which shows the eagle, but I didn't want Arria to see the portrait right away, so while that was confirmation enough for me, I was still determined to find the sprite itself to show her. I think I found it with 'umineko beatrice skirt.' In any case, it took longer than I expected to find, given that I thought it would be as easy as looking on the wiki.

I enjoyed Arria's line about 1 in the afternoon being too early for Beatrice to be doing her thing.
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She notices that Beatrice’s new outfit looks like Jessica’s school outfit, but doesn’t go so far as to assume this is Jessica. She also points out that it has no eagle, thus it could symbolize that she’s broken apart from the family. I was fairly certain that she still had an eagle somewhere, like on her leg, but the sprite didn’t go that low and we don’t have her full sprite in the game. I had to rummage through the internet to find her whole sprite. Like, it seriously took me WAY longer than I expected to find her whole body sprite. And sure enough I was right – eagle on her leg.

She asks if other character get a change in outfits. I say that some of them do, but it may or may not mean anything. I reminded her that George and Shannon had different outfits at the beginning
A: I’d forgotten about that. To be fair, I kinda wanted to forget about that. I’ve read romance novels that progressed faster than that.

The portrait changed in a flash of lightning and Arria shivered. I told her that the actual portrait doesn’t just magically change. The portrait of chick Beatrice that we see is just for our benefit; the characters still see the original portrait in the hall.

Kyrie talks about getting a headache in front of Natsuhi and Natsuhi looks pissed.
A: I know this is her normal sprite, but it looks like she’s thinking ‘you have a headache, huh? Let me tell you what a fucking headache feels like!’

Beatrice called Kinzo the ghost of the study hyuck hyuck.

A: My take away of reading fantasy novels. If you’re a wizard, don’t fall in love. That is a slippery slope to hell. And I just realized I defended a character who’s life choices I strongly disagree with.

Piece-Beato starts talking in a very meta way, talking about the game board and pieces. Arria asked if she has knowledge of the meta world, and I said honestly “I’m not sure. That’s a difficult question to answer. She might, or she might just be saying creepy things to be creepy.” Of course, ultimately this is just a story in a bottle written by Yasu so ehh… either way, it’s a tough question to answer without spoiling things, so I had to resort to telling her that “I don’t know.”

The chapter ends and the clock changes to 1.
A: 1 in the afternoon… is waaay to early for Beatrice to be Beatricing. She’s like alcohol. You shouldn’t be Beatrice in the morning or afternoon.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Ha, I like that answer, Mega Mana. I'm going with it.

And yeah, during dinner, Rosa started to get more and more flustered as to what she saw. Battler/narrator made a comment about how Rosa seemed uncertain.

I had a dream last night about Shannon/Kanon. Talk about weird... I was Jessica, totally oblivious to the Shannon/Kanon thing, but I was going on a vacation with Kanon (and he was surprisingly normal). I suggested that we stay a few days longer, but that would have cut into time George had planned to vacation with Shannon. Then my point of view changes to George and he got a letter from Shannon saying she had to help at the orphanage all of a sudden and wouldn't be back for a few days.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I was under the impressions she was already bribed. What about the remainder of that scene, where Beatrice proceeds to 'fix' Maria's candy? Rosa didn't close her eyes, did she? Therefore she saw the trick where Beatrice just switches the candy. Why would she have just let that fly unless she were bribed already?

Also, I'm not really arguing with you, I'm just trying to remember stuff. If you could explain what happened and why Rosa acted the way she did, please do.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

And now Kanon is trying to help Maria. She says that Beatrice is gonna show up today. There was a line about how a human couldn’t repair the candy, but a witch could, and then Kanon just looks around like ‘welp, time to go put on my blond wig’

A: Again, I’m gonna laugh my ass off is ‘Beatrice’ is Kinzo in a dress and wig

She thinks Eva’s dress is overcompensating.
A: (imitating Eva): “I’m still part of the family! Look at all the bird!”

A: Eva is what happens if Ichimaru Gin actually fucked a fox. All the scheming and subtle trolling and cruelty.
I asked her how she felt about the eyes-always-closed anime trope, knowing that Umineko does it with Virgilia next episode. She was fairly ambivalent toward it, but it’s a good way to show that shit is really going down when their eyes open.

Hideyoshi: ah Shannon you’re getting prettier and prettier!
A: This is creepier in hindsight when you realize he’s flirting with his future daughter-in-law

Game: worthless male pride
Arria circled it with her cursor a few times. “At least someone understands that.”

Game: Maria wouldn’t move if rain or spears fell from the sky
K (thinking): Because THAT would never happen, right? Right?

Chick-Beato appears.
A: Well, THAT’s a different outfit.

Game: Rosa knew this face
Because it’s Shannon/Kanon? I know they want us to think because of the portrait, of course, but I wonder if this is the realistic answer. This is the kind of line Ryukishi throws in to make us wonder about on these re-readthroughs.
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She mentioned that dressing up in a costume was also a way to not be ‘you’. So me dressing up, I wouldn’t be ‘Erika’ anymore. This seems super relevant to Umineko, in my perspective, as certain characters dressing up in a way changes who they are. Yasu dressing as Shannon is no longer Kanon, and if he kills the Kanon personality, one could safely say in red that Kanon is dead. I think.

She asked about Beatrice’s source of power being demonic and asked if that was a trait of all witches in this series or if Beatrice just “made bad life choices.” I told her it’s just Beatrice and all witches are different.

I had seen a discussion earlier on another forum about how the seven parents were close to the seven sins. She put Pride for Krauss at first, but I said he’s more of a Sloth guy with Natsuhi being Pride. She said Eva would make for a good Lust, but she’s Greed too and the best candidate for Greed imo. She got Gluttony for Hideyoshi right away, if only for his only trait being that his sprite is a little chubby. Which leaves Rudolf for Lust, Kyrie for Envy, and Rosa for Wrath. She didn’t see the Kyrie = Envy thing, which to be fair isn’t that obvious until her duel with Leviathan. I told her to just believe me and she’ll see.

Maria told Battler about the many fantastic meetings with Beatrice.
A: You mean the ONE time? When she gave Kinzo a shit ton of gold and peaced out. (Arria made a peace sign)
K: She probably made up a bunch of stories in her head. It’s her headcanon of Beatrice.
FYI, we kinda unironically like the word headcanon. I know it gets made fun of a lot, but we like to use it.

Then Rosa abuses Maria some more.
A: I can see why the Uu~ thing would bother her, but what’s her problem with witches and Halloween? This seems like pretty innocent kid stuff.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

I may read all of Higurashi one day, but right now I have a bunch of other games/VNs that I want to play first.

Arria got to the red truth today. Fun stuff!
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Thanks for the input, Mega Mana. You can always post things here, too. I'm not the kind of person who'll get angry at you using my topic for your own thoughts lol. I haven't read the Higurashi VN, but I remember a scene like that in the anime involving a doll. I can't remember when it was resolved, so I don't want to go into detail in case I spoil it for you lol
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A: Kinzo is the equivalent of a man who won the lottery and continues to play hoping to win more… but it’s pointless because he already fucking won.

A: I suppose him playing with magic is at least keeping him active in his old age.

Nanjo: By the way, did you hear a guest is gonna be here?
Kinzo: Nani!?!
A: *holds hand up* um, shouldn’t Kinzo know?
Nanjo: it’s Battler!
A: Did Kinzo and I both get trolled by a walrus?
*Kinzo acts grumpy*
A: Yeah, Kinzo is mad he got trolled by a walrus.
Nanjo: something about his room being stuffy
A: A judgmental walrus at that.

Beatrice appears in the metaworld. I told her to think of the metaworld as ‘real’ and the island stuff as a D&D game. I know Umineko loves its chess metaphors, but we like D&D so I use D&D metaphors at times to make it a bit more relatable to us.

We spend a moment discussing the metaworld, what it means, what it IS. I don’t spoil anything, certainly not that Umineko is actually, like, 7 layers of reality. As such, I have to tell her a few lies, but it’ll be fine for now. She recently saw Doctor Strange which (spoilers for DS) ends in a similar fashion to what is happening in Umineko now, with DS repeating time and allowing himself to be killed by the big bad for eternity until he grows bored.

Beatrice and Battler: I’ll torture you for eternity!
A: I really like her!
Beatrice: Ushiromiya Battleeeeeeeeeer!
A: I see now where the AAAARRRIIIIAAA thing came from.
(I let her see MariaTaylor’s post where he did that)

I don’t know much about the origins of Halloween, but Arria had a stint in her life where she was into Wiccan stuff. I ask her if she’s familiar with this stuff and if it’s accurate, and she says it’s all true as far as she remembers. She even brought up the origins of trick or treating before Rudolf asked about it.
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tcaz2 posted...

Eerieka posted...

You ever think that they’re waiting for Kinzo to come down and when he does, there’ll be a big ‘intervention’ sign in the background?

*Kinzo sees intervention sign*
*summons Chiester sisters*
"I'll intervention your FACES"
*everyone dies*

Sounds like what happens in ep 4 actually


Arria and I will be playing some more today and I think we'll get to the first twilight. Yay! Course, I still have lots of material from our previous session.
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Romulox28 posted...

are there people that genuinely enjoy imagine dragons music? all of their shitty music sounds like it was specifically designed to be in smartphone & car commercials

I like some of their stuff. Was listening to Believer yesterday and it's pretty cool.
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Battler and Rudolf are being dumb
A: I like how Kyrie is the adult here

Maria and Rosa appear
A: Is no one going to question how Maria should look like she went ten rounds with Muhammad Ali?

Arria got up to let the dog out and get some fresh air. Outside there was a golden butterfly. She pointed that out to me.
K: Are you being serious, or just trying to fuck with me?
A: No really! Right there!
Sure enough, there was a yellow-colored butterfly flying outside in her lilacs

Rosa: women can be born again in a single day if something changes our heart
A: something tells me that’s a plot relevant line.

Kumasawa said she has ‘quit and been rehired repeatedly’. I don’t really remember Kumasawa’s deal other than the obvious Virgilia connection. Does she ‘retire’ only to get bored of retirement and come back to make mackerel dishes for the family?

Rudolf has a scene and I didn’t remember it so when he mentioned kissing the receiver (after talking to Kyrie), Arria and I had to decide if that was gross or not. We eventually figured this was his private phone in his office, so it’s okay. Is there any point to this scene other than to prove Rudolf has a job, and he has problems with it? The background used in this scene was the same used for the servant’s rooms, so we initially thought they were on the island and he was calling from the servant’s quarters.

A: Kinzo is fucking nuts and even the walrus knows it. You ever think that they’re waiting for Kinzo to come down and when he does, there’ll be a big ‘intervention’ sign in the background?

A: Poor walrus is tired.
Kinzo: I’m gonna have a ceremony
A: Will it involve dancing naked under the sky? Actually, the more Kinzo goes on about magic, the more I’m convinced magic does not exist in this world because if it did, there would be people telling him “you need to stop. You really need to stop.”
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YookaLaylee posted...

Ivynn posted...

Paul

I don't think it's possible to be interesting and named "Paul"

Someone didn't watch Big Brother season 18. They had 2 interesting people names Paul. One was a douchebag dudebro from New Jersey and the other was slightly crazy, but also cool and funny.

Also Dune. Pretty interesting Paul in that series.
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Was thinking of the name Kevin before I even entered this topic. What's the deal with that? Why do I (and so many others, apparently) hate the name Kevin? It doesn't sound bad, imo, but I've known a lot of assholes with that name. Surely there are good Kevins out there, right?

I used to hate the name Anthony too, but now it's my boyfriend's name lol.
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You're both right, and it's not something I disagreed with. I think Maria would function reasonably well in the real world compared to some other people. That was why I brought up my nephew who I can't see ever being an adult. I think Maria would do well if she had a real friend who was also a bit autistic or chuuni.

Now that you mention it, I remember the line about a tranquilizing pill. I might just let Arria discover that one on her own.

Ha, I remember seeing that video shortly after the anime aired, but I'd forgotten about it. XD I'll share that with her on Monday.

Speaking of, we're getting close to the first twilight and we'll probably read that on Monday. Is there anything you guys want me to get from her? Rankings of any sort, predictions, etc?

Oh my god GameFAQs, stop asking me if I'm sure I want to post this message that uses the word 'autistic'. YES I WANT TO POST THIS
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Krauss: will there be any problems regarding father?
Natsuhi: No
A: Well this doesn’t seem out of place on Murder on the Orient Express
K: (thinking) guess Natsuhi’s referring to the corpse and the servants all agreeing on how to deal with this bullshit.

Gohda appeared and I questioned her about her comments regarding Gohda being a bulldog earlier. She clarified that because of how bulldogs have been inbred, they are sadly less competent than they could be. The Kennel club has its arbitrary standards on bulldog beauty and features, but the stats mean nothing when the dog itself is suffering as a freak of nature. In other words, Gohda is a piece of shit, but he’s a piece of shit with a pedigree.

Genji: We’re will be receiving a very important guest
A: Beatrice

Genji: is something the matter Shannon?
A: He’s either oblivious, is pretending he doesn’t know what’s going on, or he’s forgotten what an erection is.

Kanon: detach yourself from your private life
A: And there’s Kanon’s catty comment. it does amuse me that the male is the catty one here.

clock ticks
A: God damn fucking clock. I will end you.

George practicing proposing in a bathroom stall
A: ugh
game: quick draw desert gunman
A: I read that as quick draw dessert gunman
K: (pretends to whip something out of my pocket) Your cupcake, Madam?
A: *laughs*

George: Shannon likes men who are more assertive
A: Obviously not, or she wouldn’t be with you
George: something about horsepower
A: It’s your libido, not an engine
George: put this ring on! It’s an order!
A: Well that’s probably how your mom proposed to your dad. (imitating Eva) Hideyoshi! I command you to wear this ring! Knowing her it was probably a cock ring but that’s beside the point.
George: dumb shit about putting it on the wrong hand
A: Yes because women are dumb enough to not know how this works. Buy a vowel, George. You can afford one.
George: uuuuhuuh nnnnnhhhh
A: Okay, gotta give props to the voice actor there. Sounds like he’s in a sound studio masturbating
*she switches to the original sprites on accident while trying to go to the backlog and replay the sound to make me hear it again. In the original sprite, George has his hand going toward his crotch, but it’s cut off by the screen*
A: Well that sprite doesn’t make it any better! Well played, original artist.
K: That would be Ryukishi
A: Well played, Ryukishi.
*the sound plays again*
A: Alternatively, it’s the sound a dad makes when he’s using airplane noises to fly the spoon-plane into the baby’s mouth
*Rudolf appears*
A: And this is why you don’t propose in a public fucking restroom where the rest of your family is within earshot
Rudolf: something about your ass bursting
A:*laughs* he heard that noise, didn’t he? That’s where he walked in, isn’t it? Also, if your uncle just walked in and you’re more relieved that he heard the uuuunnnn instead of the marriage proposal, your life choices need to be evaluated.
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Ramza: rofl. Rofel: You say my name? -Eise

Oh yeah, so her comment about beheading Maria and Jessica and drinking their innards actually had a deeper meaning. Behold our drinks for the day:

Rosa: …. I did it… again
A: Dear sweet Rosa. Poor Rosa. I’d love to introduce you Mommy’s little helper. It’s name is Benadryl.
Rosa: … surrendered her soul to evil again
A: And now you because the mother from Carrie.

I don’t know if Benadryl has the same reputation in other parts of the world, but here it’s known to be used (not the intended purpose) to make people fall drowsy, so some parents give it to their kids to make them fall asleep. Arria is only recommending this for comedic purposes, and we are not actually recommending that anyone drugs their child.

Maria: Mama, come back!
A: You are the poor child that gets left somewhere.

Rosa: I’m so sorry.
A: Don’t apologize. You’re showing weakness to the little brat. You have to be stern.

Game: stuff about Rosa being possessed by the black witch
A: Is she really a witch?
K: (how to explain this without spoilers?) It’s just Maria’s perspective.

I know that Rosa never gets an official witch-version like Eva, Maria, or Ange. Though there is fan art of her as a witch that I really like. Still, I’m trying not to give away that there are witch versions of anyone.

Scene with Krauss and Natsuhi.
A: They really do love each other, don’t they?
K: Yes. I think all the married characters genuinely love each other. They just show it in different ways
A: These two are kinda like a British nobility stereotype. And Eva and Hideyoshi seem like the kind of people who married young when divorce wasn’t really a thing so they just dealt with it. And Kyrie is Rudolf’s midlife crisis made good.
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Raka_Putra posted...

I kinda forgot, but did Arria like Rosa in the first episode?

Yep, Rosa was in the top 3 with only Natsuhi and Kyrie above her.

And good news, everyone. I'll be seeing Arria again on Monday 6/26, so I figure I'll have a lot of material for a while lol

Last night, we read a lot but she kinda got tired of Maria shenanigans, so we took a break from Umineko. She's been wanting to play 999 as well, so I wrote down her thoughts on that. I might make a playthrough topic for that, too, once she gets a little further in.
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Day 6 6/21/2017

And here we start with child abuse. Rosa for Mother of the Year All Years. I actually really love Rosa. She’s such a great character, flaws and all.

Maria is crying about wanting to dress like a witch and Arria says that she already is kinda dressed up, what with the crown and such.

A: “Anyone get the idea that the real world is gonna sucker punch her?”
We talk a little bit about people in real life who have mental disabilities. I worry about my nephew who has… something. His mother/my sister says it’s autism, but I think it’s either something else or something more to it. Yesterday was his 7th birthday but mentally he’s still perhaps 3. I worry because I don’t know what my sister will do with him when he’s grown. Will he always need to live at home? Will his sister (my very smart and dependable niece) have to take care of him for her whole life? I know another girl in a similar situation. She’s an adult but because of her mental situation she can’t really handle being in the real world or having a real job. Arria told me about some jobs available to people with her condition, so I’ll pass it along next time I see her. In any case, I know people can be institutionalized when there’s no one else to take care of them, but as I know nothing about such facilities (and perhaps my imagination is running wild), I feel like that should be the last option. Anyway, enough tangents for now…

A: “I like how Rosa gets fluffy when she’s mad.”

When the old woman gives Maria the candy she asks if they just hired an old woman to do a few lines, or if it was Kumasawa’s VA or something. I have no idea.

Arria rolled her eyes as Maria cried about Rosa taking the candy away.

I asked Arria how she would react if she were in Rosa’s shoes when Maria took candy from a stranger.
A: I would engineer it so that if it happened once, I’ll make it happen twice with someone as an accomplice, except the candy would be something like a cross between that shit you put on your fingernails to make kids stop biting them, those jelly beans that taste like various god-awful things, an atomic fireball, and a warhead. That kid’s gonna stick that candy in her mouth and eat it all. That’ll teach her not to take candy from strangers!
K: Might also be child abuse, but that’s neither here nor there.
A: Let’s be honest. If Maria were my kid, this would never become an issue.

A: This is going to reach a breaking point. The more she screams, the more you hit her. The more you hit her, the more she screams. And this is in public! This is gonna end in a hospital visit or with her dead. I wonder if she’s ever knocked Maria unconscious.

Rosa: This is why Papa’s business trip never ends.
Arria: Hoo boy! Rosa is fucking done.

Then the station attendant gets involved
A: You must be new here! As someone who has worked customer service, you never get involved in a mother and child situation. Just call your manager. Use whatever code gets them here RIGHT away and let them deal with it, or call the cops if necessary. If you get the mother’s attention you just drew agro and you better be a tank.
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Lol. I totally get your point, tcaz, but I don't mind a little bit of narm. And I'm still a bit of an edgelord so some extra narm is fine with me.

In that case, I might show Arria that scene from the anime when we get there. She may enjoy it.
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