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turbopuns2 posted...

Re: Crescent

I have an opinion on your scare read but first I want to know, how much have you played with scare, and what is your general idea of him as a player?

Agreed on Han. His shad vote and follow up feels like it could be a lot of posturing to me. Scum love posturing, especially the outspoken ones, which Han is.

As for this

Crescent-Moon posted...

This post specifically still bothers me a lot. It's so passive and doesn't give any real feeling about thinking Chris is scum. It's just "Lynching Chris could be useful".

It's not "Lynching Chris could be useful." It's "pushing for Chris's lynch could be useful". Different things. On day 1 especially, only the final votes count. What happens in this game when chris is a viable option? Apparently the answer is no sale.

And yeah your replies about corrik and death are kind of whatever. Was more concerned with whether you'd take strong stances either way.

In the last game I played, Spooky Mafia - He was both one of the first people to attack my claim, one of the first to vote me, and was far more of a factor overall than he's been this game. His behavior more engaged and fluid, I was just pissed at him for doubting me.

He was town, and my impression of that game is accurate. I just double checked.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

RogueNoble posted...

Question for the six(!) people still voting Alakazam: He already claimed. There's plenty of time left in the day to explore other options. More than one scum in the sea, as it were.

I was going to move to Prof to pressure the claim, but Zam was around and reacting, so it was worth continuing to apply pressure.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Han's entry on Shad felt weird to me and I'd like some elaboration on it:

...

It's only when he switches to Alakazam shortly after that he answers Shad, but why drop pressure off of him so quickly? What are your current thoughts on Shad anyway?

While I didn't feel great about Shad (and put reasons why), I was more interested in other avenues. I only voted Shad at the time because he was pushing me.

Even now, I'd rather vote DYL and will probably switch my vote that way in a minute. Prof has pressure and has yet to show - maybe pressure on DYL will get him to show up?

Arti and Scept were my other iffy reads and they both showed up and did things since. Which means eaed, the other person who was similarish to them, would be my other avenue.

Shad was there at the time and Alakazam wasn't. Feels like you could've done more with it.

turbopuns2 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Apparently I was wrong about crescent being here.

Silly person~

Uh, ok. I will for the moment assume this means you are working on a big post.

....

You might want to look more closely.

turbopuns2 posted...

Apparently I was wrong about crescent being here.

Silly person~

turbopuns2 posted...

Crescent you are here.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF

Han
Scare
Death
Corrik
Puns

Scare is currently the worst on that list to me. He feels a little too nonchalant. like when he voted Chris "because he felt like it" and has been content to sit there. Said the Deadpool lynch looked "tasty", but made no further comment. The only thing he's really said about Alakazam was alluding to something Blade said last game. His single posts on pages 3-5 of topic 1 are meaningless. It doesn't feel like he's actually tried to push anything or get any answers from anyone.

Han's entry on Shad felt weird to me and I'd like some elaboration on it:

Shaduln posted...

I have no idea what you just said about me Han.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

##Vote: Shad

Does that clear things up?

Shaduln posted...

Shaduln posted...

I have no idea what you just said about me Han.

Vote: Shad

Does that clear things up?

No because I don't know why you voted me.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Shaduln posted...

No because I don't know why you voted me.

It's because you're Scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Shad, I said you look Scummy because you felt a need to explain your actions of the previous night, when questioning them wasn't a particular thing.

##Unvote: Shad
##Vote: Zam

Upon rereading, it looks even more like a Scumslip. I think the guy just oopsed.

It's only when he switches to Alakazam shortly after that he answers Shad, but why drop pressure off of him so quickly? What are your current thoughts on Shad anyway?

You're a wild card.

turbopuns2 posted...

I can't speak intelligently about the nuances of scum chris vs town chris, but the lynch is a very interesting one which will certainly bear fruit in some form or another. Especially because red and corrik are uniting there.

This post specifically still bothers me a lot. It's so passive and doesn't give any real feeling about thinking Chris is scum. It's just "Lynching Chris could be useful".
However, you've also been one of the people really pushing the needle and not letting the game stagnate when there isn't so much to go on at the time, and I like that about you. Certainly that holds now, as it would be easy to let the game fall off while waiting for Deadpool to claim.

I have nothing particularly strong to say about Corrik and Death right now, though if I had to take a stab right now at one of them I would say I have a bit of a town lean on Corrik. Speaking of Shad, I feel nothing strong about him in either direction. I feel like he has a lot of posts and I can't remember most of them.

Spoiler alert: There was no spoiler.

eaedwards6400 posted...

I'm getting really unlucky with these tags. So here is my thoughts with prof. What he is saying doesn't look great to me but from what I recollect he is one of those players that he always looks bad and then ends up flipping town and it sends us in the wrong direction.

Sidebar: Why have you felt the need to defend yourself at the start of both catch-up posts?

My Immortal posted...

Yes he did.

My read on nana is different

I'm trying to think if I've ever played a game with Nana before, because I recognize the player, but nothing is springing to mind.

My Immortal posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

A particular takeaway I have from last night is that it gave me a town feeling from MI. He gave the impression that he could've answered for Alakazam if he wanted to, but instead let it play out. If he were scum with him, I feel he wouldn't have any reason to act like this (he would coach him instead). I also like his reaction to Red claiming I shaded him by both dismissing the notion and asking him a simple question in return (Which Red never answered).

And yes, Deadpool should claim.

I still owe you my nana read. Waiting until I'm at a PC and can type easier

Alakazam eventually did give an answer last night. I wasn't going to prod you on the topic because I wanted to see what you did with it on your own.

turbopuns2 posted...

Wow corrik I'm impressed by your cooperation lol.

@Dark_Young_Link
@eaedwards6400
@foolm0r0n
@RogueNoble

Who's up for some mafia?

DYL went so quiet I forgot he even existed. I don't think I've ever seen him this quiet before.

That has Corrik on two different players..

A particular takeaway I have from last night is that it gave me a town feeling from MI. He gave the impression that he could've answered for Alakazam if he wanted to, but instead let it play out. If he were scum with him, I feel he wouldn't have any reason to act like this (he would coach him instead). I also like his reaction to Red claiming I shaded him by both dismissing the notion and asking him a simple question in return (Which Red never answered).

And yes, Deadpool should claim.

Actually MI:

What do you make of Alakazam avoiding my query twice?

ScareChan posted...

Dvbp

Feel my girth

And man that pool lynch looks tasty.

Can you answer me on why you voted for Chris?

What really bothers me about that last Deadpool post is how he left it totally noncommittal with a built in excuse.

My Immortal posted...

From my experience of Nanas playstyle I think I know what Zam was trying to say and he just said it poorly.

But I don't want to assume!

Also I'm going to hold you to this.

profDEADPOOL posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Well it seems my magical panties aren't so magical

Trucy Wright, Town Vanilla.

As my parents are dead or gone, Phoenix Wright adopted me.

Posted again for good measure and the fact it was at the bottom of the page

The fuck is this early vanilla claim.

Can you be any more of a desperate and panicky scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Upon rereading, it looks even more like a Scumslip. I think the guy just oopsed.

Sceptilesolar posted...

I believe Alakazam attempted to explain this later by saying that miller claims are likely to be lynched when there are no obvious candidates, in #187. I don't think that's true, but it comes from a different place than the scumslip would have.

These are an interesting idea but I don't quite see the point of doing it as scum for a town person. Maybe I will after sleeping on it when I go to bed later.

Something feels off about that line.

My Immortal posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

What I find curious though is MI cryptically hinted at having an answer to the query I gave Alakazam; I have no idea what to make of it.

I just wanted to give my read on Nana when you asked but I still would rather Zam answers first so he can't just piggyback on what I say

This is the impression I got, but I wasn't sure if it was accurate.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Alakazam is someone who tries very, very hard and last time I checked is not always the most logical player you will find, unless he has vastly improved.

And if he has improved that much he is totally scum.

The major problem I'm seeing is that the vast majority of his posts have centered on one of two topics: Corrik, and "policy lynches". He hasn't said anything in his posts, and certainly not when he voted Han. He's also ignored me twice when I asked him for elaboration on a single point.

What I find curious though is MI cryptically hinted at having an answer to the query I gave Alakazam; I have no idea what to make of it.

Also we should keep an eye on Deadpool because that recent post of his gave us nothing.

Alakazam:

Crescent-Moon posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Corrik posted...

Everyone talking about that stupid game during this game is derailing the game.

This is true.

I would like Alakazam while he is here to say something not Corrik or policy lynch related. He asked Scare for an opinion on two of the players (Nana and Puns), but he never gave any serious mention of those players himself.

Both Nana has a tendency to not play day 1, however the fact he posted says a lot. And puns can be hard to read and was looking for a 2ed opinion on this

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What has Nana posted that has been of any significance? Why does it "say a lot"?

I would still like an answer to this.

First of all:

@profDEADPOOL
@eaedwards6400

Second of all,

ScareChan posted...

I wonder if Chris has just lost a bunch of his meta because he has been playing with alot of different people

on the other hand

##Unvote
##Vote: Chris

I cant resist!

This is giving me shades of Puns' passivity towards Chris being lynched, except it totally lacks reasoning. What is the reason for this vote?

To reiterate: What excuse for being gone?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh, Blade isn't in this game. Well that joke is ruined. Anyone who would get that joke on this list...

Han! Good ole Han. Remember that time I butchered town in Concerto Mafia by claiming Town Bulletproof? The good ole days.

Man lots of turn over.

Sorry, but no. I don't have a particularly good memory.

Current players sticking out are Zam, Arti, DYL, Scept, and Shad.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Ummmm.... what did I just read? Oh wait it was day one fluff with spike thrown in.

Corrik as Miller and 2 bp claims.

While Corrik as Miller is telling; he claimed his first post, I still think that he needs to be watched...

The bolded part, combined with the latter post...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

It's telling, but @Corrik mind flavor claiming as well?

It's telling in so much that we know Corrik is A) telling the truth and is town (dangerous to scum) or becomes a sacrifice later when we can't find scum. So either way he's dead or lynched... no offense Corrik

Scumslip stating that Corrik is Town. I also don't like the way he comments on the game upon coming in.

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Arti and Scept are of the same ilk - have poked in once or twice without saying anything of substance.

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is his only post of the game and it's on page 1. I've never played with him before, but this reeks of "I'm here ok bye". (Also, Nana has 2 posts and Han has 0). I would like to see substance from all three of them in general.

While I like that you're calling people on activity, seems weird to focus on eaed and (person who gave excuse for being gone) and (person who hasn't posted yet) instead of the other two people who are similar to the name you gave.

I definitely argue that Arti and Scept are worse because a single post then disappearing is excusable - a pattern of popping in to post meh then leaving is not.

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I only brought you up because you were the only person in the game who hadn't posted other than me., and I wanted to make a note of it in case you continued to not be there. I will admit I have not paid a great deal of attention to Sceptile or Arti.

One thing though... Nowhere in that single post I quoted from eaedwards said he wasn't going to be around. All he says is:

eaedwards6400 posted...

It's been far too long playing in a game this big. Also, dammit Corrik. I know this is likely just a joke but I hate Miller claims.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Corrik posted...

Everyone talking about that stupid game during this game is derailing the game.

This is true.

I would like Alakazam while he is here to say something not Corrik or policy lynch related. He asked Scare for an opinion on two of the players (Nana and Puns), but he never gave any serious mention of those players himself.

Both Nana has a tendency to not play day 1, however the fact he posted says a lot. And puns can be hard to read and was looking for a 2ed opinion on this

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What has Nana posted that has been of any significance? Why does it "say a lot"?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lazy can be town. Sorry when I say strong I mean townie

Lazy can be town but lazy town is the one of the last things I'd want to see. Seen that lose enough games already.

Corrik posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Corrik posted...

My Immortal posted...

I remain unconvinced based off of that one post.

Does scum-Chris often give sure fire town reads to try to appear town? Does he try to appease Corrik when they are on opposite teams (lol)? What is the giveaway there?

Chris likes to claim me as town as scum early to keep me off him then will a couple days later flip his read to scum.

This has no basis in reality.

I'm curious now if Corrik has any examples of that behavior he could provide.

If you want to look through the archived and find examples, you will eventually find them. However, you could save a lot of time by just trusting me here and letting his flip speak for itself.

No specific game comes to mind?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I can't speak intelligently about the nuances of scum chris vs town chris, but the lynch is a very interesting one which will certainly bear fruit in some form or another. Especially because red and corrik are uniting there.

This is a very strong post. I mean you are a jerk, but strong post.

I don't see how that's a strong post really. If anything it feels passive.

Literally looking at Chris and going 'sure why not'

I like the frame of mind that takes.

Seemed kind of lazy, especially given Red never voted you.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I can't speak intelligently about the nuances of scum chris vs town chris, but the lynch is a very interesting one which will certainly bear fruit in some form or another. Especially because red and corrik are uniting there.

This is a very strong post. I mean you are a jerk, but strong post.

I don't see how that's a strong post really. If anything it feels passive.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Corrik posted...

My Immortal posted...

I remain unconvinced based off of that one post.

Does scum-Chris often give sure fire town reads to try to appear town? Does he try to appease Corrik when they are on opposite teams (lol)? What is the giveaway there?

Chris likes to claim me as town as scum early to keep me off him then will a couple days later flip his read to scum.

This has no basis in reality.

I'm curious now if Corrik has any examples of that behavior he could provide.

Corrik posted...

Everyone talking about that stupid game during this game is derailing the game.

This is true.

I would like Alakazam while he is here to say something not Corrik or policy lynch related. He asked Scare for an opinion on two of the players (Nana and Puns), but he never gave any serious mention of those players himself.

Also why are there only 4 scum that have next to no power in a game with 20 people anyway? That feels very wrong...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

And I was like "Mafia needs 6 MLs. We should just mass claim and kill all the redundant roles."

And everyone was like "Oh no that's against the spirit of the game" and I'm just like "No? It's not my fault the mod sucks at presenting a balanced f***ing game."

So one of the mafia ragequit because I called for a mass claim, then I was silenced and lynched on Day 2.

Y'all are awesome. IRL games are s***.

There are a lot of stupid parts of this story, but for some reason I can't get over 'Town Silencer'. Just why?

It seems like it would be virtually impossible for town to lose if everyone claimed day 1... So maybe it just upset people because they felt you were going to ruin the game?

turbopuns2 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Wait Red so was it just that one post or not? I don't recall seeing you mention chris as scum before. And again, why not switch and vote him?

I will switch when i am certain.

Also zam is possibly still scum.

I tend to think butting heads with players I'm most familiar with is the most effective way to read them. If I try to just watch how they interact with others it gets muddier because I don't know everyone else's alignment but I do know my own.

Plus Zam is one I never seem to read well, so not my ideal day 1 target.

I think this is a matter of perspective. I've found butting heads too early often blinds me to the rest of the game.

Leafeon13N posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

And can I ask a question to you red?

would you please stay on one account? To some of us, we don't known you to well and think your 2 different people.

If im on mobile im on this one. If I'm on my pc I'm on my main. Its not complicated.

Both names have "13n" on them... That's the obvious connector.

I have no idea what some of those roles do.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Ummmm.... what did I just read? Oh wait it was day one fluff with spike thrown in.

Corrik as Miller and 2 bp claims.

While Corrik as Miller is telling; he claimed his first post, I still think that he needs to be watched...

Other then that I'll watch what happens...

But on that note I'm off to bed and will catch up in the morning

Alakazamtrainer posted...

htaeD posted...

also a bit warty of MI soft defending zam here
I myself see potential in zam being scum and I am not gonna brush that aside because of zam ' always looking like scum'

especially not after the last game

also saying that zam staying up after he said he'd be gone is a common worriedscumtrait

Or in last night's case, some came up last minute IRL.

I will point out, however, that Corrik having his claim as such with said flavor makes a lot of sense. So not something that was counter claimed yet if ever. I'll chalk it up to something else I said last game... I'm always suspicious of Corrik. Let me repeat it one more time for good measures. I am always suspicious of Corrik.

Anyways as for the votes on me, it's early day one, if I get more later then so be it.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Ok this whole conversation is pointless. If MI is town he is just focusing in too hard on minutia and reading things wrong. I lean more that direction right now because this would be a bunch of needless wheelspinning for scum. Apparently when he was asking me the reasons for my vote he was actually trying to say "your vote sucked". Which I see that angle now.

I was thinking the same thing. About the convo being pointless.

Like I said Corrik being miller resolves itself. At some point scum will kill him (as no scum should keep him in game to long sans last game) or he will be lynched because no-one will believe him.

Oh the other hand Scare your thoughts on nana and puns

If one thing is sticking out to me about Alakazam, his biggest posts are all fluff relating to Corrik.

Leafeon13N posted...

My Immortal posted...

I remain unconvinced based off of that one post.

Does scum-Chris often give sure fire town reads to try to appear town? Does he try to appease Corrik when they are on opposite teams (lol)? What is the giveaway there?

Chris types with more certainty as scum. Is more scatterbrained as town.

What you mean is, Chris is more likely to be blunt/forward with thoughts/reads as scum than he is as town?

I was dealing with a miniature crisis (a missing cat for 21 or so hours) but after reading up:

eaedwards6400 posted...

It's been far too long playing in a game this big. Also, dammit Corrik. I know this is likely just a joke but I hate Miller claims.

This is his only post of the game and it's on page 1. I've never played with him before, but this reeks of "I'm here ok bye". (Also, Nana has 2 posts and Han has 0). I would like to see substance from all three of them in general.

I've only been in a game with Chris twice (my first two, which were nightmarishly bad games for me). What specifically sticks out?

It does feel like he laughed at being accused and vanished, though.

Confirm

I feel like that may be code for wait another day

It's only a flesh wound!
...Maybe

turbopuns2 posted...

That did happen once.

So the game is a lie?

Maybe there is no game. Maybe we are all pawns in a conspiracy.

I wonder who will be next.

I voted for the only competent one

Don't think I would ever go near a game that large... 20 feels like plenty as is. Friday start won't go as well for me but I can make it work.

What is a king... To a cat?

So this is going out tonight?

Tampa has played this game like you'd expect Washington to play a game 7.

Is there any time in particular to expect them?

foolm0r0n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

The one thing I dislike about the way it runs through a bot is how it randomizes the lynch at the end of the first day if it is tied. I don't like how it takes the power away from the players at that point.

Is there a bot already that does that?

Anyways I like the AIM style where the host is just like IT'S A TIE FIRST VOTE LYNCHES GOGOGOG

The bot at MU automatically breaks a tie with a random lynch. I don't know of any other bots. It screwed up a mostly inactive town I was on day 1 and it went all downhill from there.

Also here it is first to get a vote or first to be unvoted. The first game day I was part of ended in a tie.

The one thing I dislike about the way it runs through a bot is how it randomizes the lynch at the end of the first day if it is tied. I don't like how it takes the power away from the players at that point.