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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Guys, let's not get carried away and start thinking Nana's clever. He literally believed my infinite dayvig claim.

Except just like the argument on Chris, it makes sense and follows an "Occam's Razor" type of logic. The difference for me personally in this case is I've thought you're scum for a long time and yesterday felt like you were trying to downplay me because I wouldn't let you go.

The real problem I have is the same problem I had back in day 1: The force behind his vote is always hollow. He made two posts here actually regarding his vote and filled them with a weird conspiracy theory that ends with an asinine conclusion: Corrik providing no content? Even if you discounted all his actions towards Chris as premeditated, there's no way to justify calling him contentless. It's pretty similar to how you downplayed me yesterday by treating me like a near-inactive.

Worse: The most notable thing he did yesterday doesn't even get a mention? That fake cop scan on Eaed both forced him to claim (and subsequently got him killed), and slowed the momentum on Chris until MI came around to claim he had a scan on Chris. His only comment on this is "Has Corrik admitted to faking a scan yet?". For someone he seems so sure is a diabolic mastermind, he completely ignores this part.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dammit Zam, THAT WAS MY HAMMER.

##Vote: Corrik

Did nothing but tunnel Chris from day 1. Knew EXACTLY the play on day 2, even having the gall to say it.

I don't buy it for a moment.

Idk from my looking Corrik pushed for Chris death, why is this bad? Is this assuming that Corrik wanted to kill his guy so he could look good? It makes sense but why do it from d1???

Because then he doesn't have to provide real content. Red said from early on "this is Scum Chris" and we really should've trusted him, but Corrik hopped on that and just stuck on it.

Unfortunately topic 1 is gone, but I feel like Corrik/Red suspecting Chris was nearly simultaneous. Corrik would've had to react extremely fast or it would have had to have been premeditated to begin with. I feel like if we had the topic we'd see that this argument doesn't hold.

htaeD posted...

votals wise I am more interested in those on the zam train (DYL, FD) and those who didnt pick a side to begin with (Han)

Arti, foolmo and Crescent gain points for not even getting distracted from Prof while Zam was posting all kinds of terrible looking stuff (allthough I give more points to the Prof voters, as he was the roleblocker...
but who knows Chris could be an even better role?)

also the Nana diversion was started by Leo and Red
scum didnt even touch that one
interesting perhaps, or just too random

Speaking of Nana, there were three notable responses I found at the end of topic 3:

Sceptile was quick to ask "Why Nana over another random inactive?", mentions Nana said he wouldn't be here, then indicated he wasn't a fan of the answer he was getting and didn't approve of the lynch shifting.

MI dismissed the notion of lynching Nana.

DYL quoted both posts and responded very passively, then asked a similar question to Sceptile. He doesn't defend Nana though, he attacks Alakazam more.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Just be 100% honest and see if anyone burns.

Fire is pretty.

foolm0r0n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Alright, then tag it with spoilers if anyone's going into detail.

I don't want to know details.

Well I want to know details

of what you think about what happened today cuz you haven't said anything

I spoke on lynching Chris. The argument against him was essentially "Occam's Razor" when it came down to it. The kidnap in particular made far less sense on town Chris than on scum Chris because if Chris is town scum wanted him eating up day 2. I didn't agree that he "must" be scum, though. I was not sold, but I saw the logic.

What I think happened is Corrik is probably town who got bored of Chris and decided to do something stupid. I didn't think he'd just suddenly fake a scan in the middle of a day like that and assumed the scan he claimed was real. In that position if I had a scan I would probably have waited for things to develop on Chris before claiming it.

Then MI claims actual cop and claims a scum scan on Chris. There really isn't a lot to comment on here either, as I've had a town read MI for the majority of the game so far.

htaeD posted...

I multitask all the time
doesnt everyone?

I do often but not with this game. It stresses me too much to play it.

foolm0r0n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Is talking about hentai even legal on this site?

Well yes, you just have to tag it with *spoilers*

Alright, then tag it with spoilers if anyone's going into detail.

I don't want to know details.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Maybe it would be best to just ignore me completely...

This is the correct answer.

Or is it?

Yes.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Maybe it would be best to just ignore me completely...

This is the correct answer.

Is talking about hentai even legal on this site?

Have fun I guess?

Corrik posted...

Hammer whenever you guys are ready.

I at least want answers from FD and DYL first. DYL explicitly stated he's eventually going to give us something a bit ago.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Well Corrik as insulting as you are, I'm surprised anyone let's you play, I mean look at some of the post you said towards me. Those were truly insulting, I asked questions and was told that your not going to waste your time answering, however you accused me of looking like scum, yet insists that I'm town. So why?

I can think of three theories on this.

1. Corrik had a pregame scan and used it on me.

2. Corrik's flavor roll is tied to mine some how.

3. Corrik has some other flavor insight that no-one else has.

4. Corrik is scum.
One of those four have to be true, or else he's gambling.

So out with Corrik.

I'm not sure whether to giggle or shake my head.

Speaking of answers: DYL, what are your actual thoughts? You quoted 3 posts (and Han's were much more recent) concerning me from other players, didn't quote anything from me at all, and gave no indication of any reads.

What are your reads? You didn't answer FD's question either.

Corrik posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Seeings how Corrik's being Corrik, I'll do Zam as Zam does best, and that's screw things up royally for town, seeings how Corrik absolutely loves when I screw up

This post happened.

I think I regret asking.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Foolmo scum have come back from 10-1 and 11-1 before.

... Those were me, but still.

Ulti did similar in BFZ because no one would listen to me and I wouldn't just go for it.

htaeD posted...

while I am tempted to pass of doing ISO's until the day after Chris' lynch
even I can see the nonsense you're saying, foolmo

we arent far ahead enough to just stop thinking for the rest of the game
what the hell

Town is rarely ever far enough ahead for this. I've been on two towns who blew a game from ahead through complacency.

htaeD posted...

Zam what you are doing right now isnt helping much either'
we arent gonna policy lynch corrik

Also this. Alakazam why do you have it in for Corrik so badly?

@Forceful_Dragon

You asked a few people some random scattershot questions and I asked you some back. All you've done since is "off to play a game bye" and "we need a new topic".

What do you take from the answers you received? What is your answer to my counterquestions?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death - I believe there is defensive and needing to defend yourself. I actually think the charge that I am defensive is a little silly considering I was scum hunting despite people going 'llaalala' at the start of the day, asking questions of Donker and repeatedly noting Han isn't up to his standard and no one caring about that.

I have been quite aggressive today in terms of pursuing leads, why do you not notice that?

Han had several votes yesterday and more people than that who think he's scum.

"No one cares about it"?

Please read today and find me where people have engaged me on Han. If they still feel Han is super scummy (by the way Nana, that's where your shot should have gone) they sure aren't discussing it with me.

Part of the very post you quoted was about Han being scum. No mention of that at all?

Speaking of that post, I said I can see there is sense to it, and the people who are pushing it are primarily people I think are town. I indicated nothing along the lines of "Chris MUST be scum".

It feels like an overly defensive reaction, and it also ignores that I definitively said I still think Han is scum in the same post.

No no.

Not letting you off the hook.

WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE?

Because scum kidnapping scum Chris feels like it makes more sense than scum kidnapping town Chris.

Many people made it abundantly clear they would come right after you at the start of day 2 regardless of Deadpool's flip. If you're town, you serve as exactly what scum would want the next day: A town distraction that sucks up the day and derails several players.

Furthermore, if scum legitimately feared you, why kidnap you instead of kill you? The first game I played you barely survived a day 1 lynch alongside a scum and scum killed you immediately anyway.

The argument that makes the most "sense" is that scum did it to protect you and prevent themselves from falling further behind. I think people may be over metaing the asinine claim Puns made, but it doesn't invalidate that point.

After a day 1 roleblocker lynch, scum was behind. If you're town, the hyperfocus on you could give scum a chance to catch up. I think they would want you to suck up as much of town's time and energy as possible. The kidnap clearly makes less sense if you're town.

Also, since I think MI is town, I don't think that him going after Puns was "premeditated".

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death - I believe there is defensive and needing to defend yourself. I actually think the charge that I am defensive is a little silly considering I was scum hunting despite people going 'llaalala' at the start of the day, asking questions of Donker and repeatedly noting Han isn't up to his standard and no one caring about that.

I have been quite aggressive today in terms of pursuing leads, why do you not notice that?

Han had several votes yesterday and more people than that who think he's scum.

"No one cares about it"?

Please read today and find me where people have engaged me on Han. If they still feel Han is super scummy (by the way Nana, that's where your shot should have gone) they sure aren't discussing it with me.

Part of the very post you quoted was about Han being scum. No mention of that at all?

Speaking of that post, I said I can see there is sense to it, and the people who are pushing it are primarily people I think are town. I indicated nothing along the lines of "Chris MUST be scum".

It feels like an overly defensive reaction, and it also ignores that I definitively said I still think Han is scum in the same post.

It's squarely in the middle of 266 if anyone else missed it.

My Immortal posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

The argument against chris today (as shad has mentioned) doesn't feel like enough of a reason to make him confirmed scum.

I did miss this line that I found when you said he said. Thanks.

Still posing the question to Arti though!

Oh I missed that too.. Which post was that from?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

My Immortal posted...

@Arti
@Forceful_Dragon

You guys were around but I didn't really get a sense of your thoughts on lynching Chris prior to Corrik's scan. I want to know where you two fell on that.

MI did you really not get a sense with FD? He outright told you.

FD didn't tell us a thing earlier.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death - I believe there is defensive and needing to defend yourself. I actually think the charge that I am defensive is a little silly considering I was scum hunting despite people going 'llaalala' at the start of the day, asking questions of Donker and repeatedly noting Han isn't up to his standard and no one caring about that.

I have been quite aggressive today in terms of pursuing leads, why do you not notice that?

Han had several votes yesterday and more people than that who think he's scum.

"No one cares about it"?

My Immortal posted...

So who hasn't checked in yet

Crescent
Han
DYL

I'm barely convinced DYL has checked into the game at all at this point.

First things first. @Corrik you said you wanted to hear from me on something last night, but the day was ended before I was there to answer it.

Neutral reads? The first name that came to mind was Arti. Eaed was "neutral" to me yesterday, but I don't see a reason not to trust Corrik. Death might be another though. I can't remember him having much of an impression on me in either direction this game.

That aside, FD: I feel like you didn't contribute anything at all there. You asked other players questions, and left, so I'm going to ask some back to you:

Assuming Eaed flips scum, who else is scum? What do you feel about Arti and DYL? What are your "neutral" reads. You have to save two people, who do you save?

I feel if Eaed is scum it doesn't do a lot to shift the needle on anyone for me. Little has changed about my thoughts on FD and Han, but they're starting to feel similar to me in one regard: The only time either has shown any real aggression or force this game is when defending himself. FD isn't pushing the needle at all, again, and I feel like the only person he's seriously pushed all game is Alakazam. Han seems to be flinging around mud and seeing if anything sticks.

But there's also this about Han:

Day 1: [1] Shad - (Han), Han
Day 2: [0] Shad - (Han)

Shad has 3 votes through the course of the game. Han is all 3 votes. It feels like whenever he doesn't know where to place a vote, he passively throws it on Shad and just lets it sit there.

All these things surrounding Chris are going way over my head and honestly it's making my head hurt. I can say though that the arguments against him do seem to make sense, and they're being led by a lot of people I think are town.

Also topics 1 and 4 purged, but I wanted to bring up a specific post Chris made very late in day 1 that's coming to mind. While there was pressure building up on Sceptile, I specifically remember a couple of minor jabs at Eaed and Chris making a post along the lines of "Well we can always hellmurder Eaed if we want to", but nothing came of it beyond that. It was nothing more than a passing shot when compared to Red who actually voted Nana.

I think the use of "Hellmurder" is what made that post stick out to me.

By the way FD, I'm a she, not a he.

One takeaway I get from that wall is it mirrors the feelings I got from Shad out of it. Shad certainly didn't need to make sure focus stayed on Deadpool, but he was the first to bring it up how many people were falling off. If I'm recalling right, I believe Chris was in the lead by ~3 votes at one point. He was also leading at the start of topic 3. Shad never really flinched at all.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik posted...

Is that a stop?

Obviously not.

....

htaeD posted...

I think Han is trying to prolong his life by insisting Nana cant be scum
really he should just have taken back his claim by now

I have no idea what Han is doing right now.

NewDonker posted...

Hoo boy, google chrome crashing just as you finish up typing a reads list sure is fun isn't it? Without further ado, Here's NewDonker's reads list! Hopefully at some point I can go reeead and get a deeper understanding of this game, but for now here it is!
Town:
1. Corrik: He's been on the ball this game, like last one. While he seems to think Alakazam is just scrub-tier town, I doubt scum Corrik would be so dumb as to go all in on a scummate
2. Nanahara: Counterclaimed as vig. Even if Han was joking, there's no way scum fakecounterclaims dayvig
3. Forceful Dragon: While there were some complaints about fluffy posts day 1, he has shaped up if that was even a real issue, which soing an ISO on deadpool and grilling Mr.Trainer
4. My Immortal: Iirc did the big bust on turbopuns that I vaguely remember reading
Scum:
1. Kadabra's Evolution's Trainer
2. Han, if his dayvig claim has serious and he doesn't dayvig Nana and Nana flips scum
Neutral Positive:
1. Rogue Noble: This is more of a gut read, but he seems very honest and genuine in his posts.

What were your thoughts on Han before this?

htaeD posted...

we know at least for a fact that scum had an extra kill/disappearing type role

This. Arguments about semantics (and this isn't the first) are more than likely just a distraction rather than anything helpful.

NewDonker posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

NewDonk, what's your reasoning for voting on me? Also care to comment on the whole puns thing? The dayvig/vig claim and counter claim?

1. Literally most of your posts are scummy as hell in some way. I've stated it in previous posts. Also, more recently,
2. I think I'm missing something on the whole puns thing, can someone bring mw up to speed on why he's scum again? Until then, no comment.
3. I think it was a joke? If not, then Nana caught scum.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Alakazamtrainer

I just ran across your posts where you (at the time) said that Han was your only scum read.

1) Do you still think Han is Scum?

2) Why or Why Not?

3) last time you dodged one of my questions by saying you "would wait", which wasn't supposed to be an option. So I'll ask again:

If you were day vig and you had to shoot someone right now who do you shoot?

Screw looking like an baffoon,

1. Yes he still looks scummy.

2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.

3. I'd probably dayvig donk, he's not doing anything. He's not even posted in a while... And when he does he just throws shade at me for no reason.

I'm sorry I don't have all the time in the world to play right now, Alakazam. It's almost the end of the schoolyear and I take all honors. I have a shitload of projects and finals to catch up on. I catch up while I can, but I can't stop for deep analysis of each post. Your posts are just so blatantly scum that I can confidently vote for you, because you are 90% scum. Just so many posts that are scummy. You're trying to pass it off as me throwing shade at you for no reason, when in reality you are scum quaking in your boots that you've been found out. Shout outs to Forceful Dragon for not letting Kazam slip away in my absence. That dude is town.

Long rants aside, I need to be getting back to my schoolwork soon. Any last qiestions before I dive back into the pile? Not sure when I can take a break next.

What reads other than Alakazam do you have?

Also my take on the turbo lynch right now is town, probably town, neutral, slight scum, scum, slight town.

I made a bit of a mistake though, I thought it was 9 to hammer when it was 10.

foolm0r0n posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

I guess a corollary here is that Crescent feels towny because he didn't want to take Turbo to 7. It would've been easy to stay at 7 and provide a much easier opening for a hammer, since -3 isn't too bad of a place to be to pressure a claim. But he is being extra cautious.

Does this also mean Crescent thinks there's not many scum on Turbo yet? That the list is pretty townful?

(Pst it's she)

foolm0r0n posted...

Turbo is a -4 votes right now

MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (tentatively Crescent and me who don't want to take him to hammerable territory)

MI/Leo started the pressure on Turbo from nowhere with deep public cooperation, so if Turbo is scum then they are pretty solidly town unless they're doing some sort of sacrifice play. The rest (including Crescent and me) all joined directly because of MI's analysis.

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?

RogueNoble posted...

MI, thanks for using my free vote in such a town positive way!

I'm wondering what this free vote means though?

I think MI's analysis can be taken a step further and I think it probably makes Scare town. Scare's progression felt both natural and unwavering. He came up with an actual argument on Chris when questioned by me. Puns never really ever called Chris scum at all.

htaeD posted...

Shaduln posted...

Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.

I have seen scum do crazier things than that even

I was in a game where just about all Leo did for like 3 days was aggressively attack other scum. I think it was one of my hydra games.

foolm0r0n posted...

I'm actually wary of DYL for how unusually calm he is being this game

Early on he definitely felt this way, and it's part of why I poked him early today. His response to me made me a little warmer because I'm pretty sure I've seen DYL admit to being afraid to be wrong before as town.

He's a player that struggles to hide how he feels. I feel like I saw a little of that "feel" in his earlier response.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's a Scummy post. You look like Scum posting like that.

I don't feel that really addressed Death at all..

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Corrik do you have an opinion on NewDonk? I'm finding it hard to reason out his vote on me.

Why not just ask Donker why he's voting you?

Crescent-Moon posted...

[6] turbopuns - MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (Crescent)
[2] Han - Nana, Alakazam
[1] FD - Corrik, (Nana)
[1] Alakazam - NewDonk
[1] Sceptile - (Leo), Puns
[1] Foolmo - Scare
[0] Corrik - (Alakazam)
[0] MI - (foolmo)
[0] Shad - (Han)

This should be accurate.

These are the real votals at the moment.

LiquidOshawott posted...

[5] turbopuns - MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han
[2] FD - Corrik, Nana
[1] Alakazam - NewDonk
[1] Sceptile - (Leo), Puns
[1] Foolmo - Scare
[0] Corrik - (Alakazam)
[0] MI - (foolmo)
[0] Shad - (Han)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends at 11 PM EDT on Wednesday, May 30th, 2018, or when a majority is reached.

Either this is wrong or you're wrong, because when did DYL unvote between then and now?

RogueNoble posted...

Are DYL and FD the same account? They both seem really overdramatic and prone to talking about people who want to lynch them better be prepared to be punched out by the fiery fists of JUSTICE!!! and personally offended when someone might want to lynch them.

I mean, getting upset that Corrik suggested that he shot his friends in a forum mafia game strikes me as incredibly bizzare and possibly manufactured emotion.

This doesn't surprise me from DYL, but I don't know FD.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Doing Votals. No votes past this post will be counted unless they are in the new topic.

The votals I just made should be accurate.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

htaeD posted...

also FD, again
I dont think you can say 'me being inactive is not bad because the one saying so was also inactive'
which is what it sounds like you're saying

IM
NOT
SAYING THAT.

I was NOT innactive.

And I DID provide content.

People will believe fucking anything if it gets repeated enough. Now I know why fox news still has money.

The argument has never been about calling you "inactive", but you keep hinging on that as a point.

Wouldn't blocker dying day 1 make saving it night 1 a stronger play?

I jumbled myself up there.

RogueNoble posted...

Shooting N1 isn't even that great a strategy.

...well, I'd be pretty tempted after the blocker flips and almost certainly take a potshot. But it would be wrong of me to do so!

Wouldn't blocker dying night 1 make saving it a stronger play?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

The real problem I have with FD is he got extremely defensive at the slightest drop of pressure. Instead of defending himself, he quickly attacked the credibility of the initial source. He didn't seem to be interested in talking to Nana; he only seemed to be interested in downplaying him. It's very evasive to attack the player instead of the argument.

Am I getting defense? Yes. Sometimes the best offense is a strong defense and I'm endeavoring to make it clear that if you come at me with false arguments your ass will get burned.

Let's look at the bolded section though.

Did I "quickly attack the credibility of the initial source"? yes. Because Nana is the last person to call someone out for their activity after that day 1.

But did I do that "instead of defending myself"? Fuck no I did not. My responses to nana were twofold. I told him that he of all people does not get to say that and ALSO that I was active during day 1, so it was a bullshit argument to begin with.

"doesn't seem interested in talking to nana" doesn't make sense either. I will talk to anyone. But I will NOT do is sit back while bullshit is being spread about me, particularly by someone who actually did commit the same offense they are accusing me of. If that's how you would play this situation then more power to you, but I wont stand for it.

Nana didn't call you inactive, he called you active but ineffective. Your response was to immediately attack him for not being active.

Nanahara715 posted...

I feel for as many posts as FD has, there was very little actually coming out of him. Would be a pick to lynch today.

This is exactly the opposite of Nana saying you were "inactive"

Posting here so it doesn't get lost at the end of the previous topic.

Interestingly Nana also used this exact wording in a post that was a minute or so before mine.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

The real problem I have with FD is he got extremely defensive at the slightest drop of pressure. Instead of defending himself, he quickly attacked the credibility of the initial source. He didn't seem to be interested in talking to Nana; he only seemed to be interested in downplaying him. It's very evasive to attack the player instead of the argument.

Am I getting defense? Yes. Sometimes the best offense is a strong defense and I'm endeavoring to make it clear that if you come at me with false arguments your ass will get burned.

Let's look at the bolded section though.

Did I "quickly attack the credibility of the initial source"? yes. Because Nana is the last person to call someone out for their activity after that day 1.

But did I do that "instead of defending myself"? Fuck no I did not. My responses to nana were twofold. I told him that he of all people does not get to say that and ALSO that I was active during day 1, so it was a bullshit argument to begin with.

"doesn't seem interested in talking to nana" doesn't make sense either. I will talk to anyone. But I will NOT do is sit back while bullshit is being spread about me, particularly by someone who actually did commit the same offense they are accusing me of. If that's how you would play this situation then more power to you, but I wont stand for it.

Nana didn't call you inactive, he called you active but ineffective. Your response was to immediately attack him for not being active.

Nanahara715 posted...

I feel for as many posts as FD has, there was very little actually coming out of him. Would be a pick to lynch today.

This is exactly the opposite of Nana saying you were "inactive"

[6] turbopuns - MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (Crescent)
[2] Han - Nana, Alakazam
[1] FD - Corrik, (Nana)
[1] Alakazam - NewDonk
[1] Sceptile - (Leo), Puns
[1] Foolmo - Scare
[0] Corrik - (Alakazam)
[0] MI - (foolmo)
[0] Shad - (Han)

This should be accurate.

htaeD posted...

first thought

puns is scum who knows han was joke claiming and is counterclaiming vig to make himself look good
...
this all seems very silly though

puns why not shoot night1?

....Nana claimed Vigilante. Puns hasn't even shown up.

Didn't Han say he was "infinite shot"? Does that even exist?

RogueNoble posted...

That was a funny same time post.

It gave me a decent vibe from him though. Both of us had the same reaction of "He's at 5, let's give it a little more".

Oh

##Unvote: Puns

I think 6 is a safe number to stay at. 7 puts Puns -2 already.