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You can keep accusing me of things, not going to change a thing. I treat you like I treat everyone else.

If you think I'm an asshole for that, then that's perfectly fine. Go ahead.

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Again I don't know who that person is.

DrizztLink posted...

Yes, that is literally what I just said.

Ah yeah, you're right. I misread that part. Thanks, I will.

DrizztLink posted...

I would imagine you keep digging, since you're incapable of recognizing when you should shut the fuck up.

Nah I can keep going, I'm fine with that. You're the one acting aggressively towards me. I stated my opinion and it seems to get you all riled up. That's really not my problem.

If you can't control your emotions, take a step back and do something else. Maybe that'll calm you down.

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I don't know who that person is. You probably do, but I don't. And I treat everyone on this site the same, regardless of who they are.

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Don't play that game lol. First we had an argument (Which is fine), then you accuse me of something totally irrelevant to the subject, now your pretending I'm having a meltdown.

What next I wonder?

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No I still stand by my opinion of the slippery slope. There were some users here that did put across good views which I agreed with though. Especially the guy that actually came out with facts on the situation that wasn't shown in the original article.

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This is CE, no one is ever wrong. Neither are you or that other user of course. Except for me, the one you are currently arguing against. Yeah, thats usually how it goes on here.

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Also I wanted to point out that I don't have a vendetta against you. You're not that important. Outside of this topic, I don't care who you are.

We're having a discussion and that turned sour. But once this topic is over we'll go on with our lives. I'll probably continue making the same shitty topics that I usually do and you'll continue with what you do.

Its not that deep.

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I'm not upset. Just find it funny that some of you purposely misinterpret the views that have been made in this topic, and also some of you can't be bothered to read through it. And then try to accuse the person you disagree with, with something totally irrelevant to make them look bad.

Again, I'm not the one accusing people of things they didn't do. Talk about gaslighting.

Venixon posted...

Well how's about ya just keep that concept for you n you alone, and not be nasty and demeaning to others who choose to go out on their own terms.

Wasn't nasty or demeaning to anyone going through these issues. Just a difference of opinion.

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*Inaccurately.

Edit: That person assumes I should know their gender based on interactions I've had with them in previous topics. As if I'm supposed to read their mind with what they are. Then they call me a liar because I don't know?

Yeah thats dumb. And you're also weird for encouraging it.

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Chill. Just because I don't know who you are doesn't mean you need to start accusing me of other shit lol.

The narcissism.

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And again, you didn't read my post. Or you did and just suffer from short-term memory loss.

Hope you get that sorted.

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Does that mean I know what gender you are? Your name? Who you are as a person? All I know is you're a user on this website.

You're not that important to me lol. So no, I don't know you.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Disregarding a woman's argument because she's being "emotional" is, uh, not a good look.

I don't even know who that person is lmao

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Well duh? I'm still going to have an opinion on it. I find it impressive that you can't understand this.

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I literally have no idea what gender you are. But if you're going to throw that argument at me, go ahead. It just seems like another way to try and excuse how you act on this board.

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Again you fail to realize this is a discussion, something that people talk about when an event happens. Especially if its reported on the news. Remember the board name is called current events, right?

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I don't need to deflect. Just saying it like it is. You're pretty emotional when it comes to these things.

Hornezz posted...

I mentioned it before. Mrs Van Agt was ill and her health was deteriorating quickly.

Feel free to use Google Translate on these:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5434062/dries-en-zijn-meisje-eugenie-kozen-voor-duo-euthanasie
https://nos.nl/artikel/2508211-van-agt-en-vrouw-kozen-voor-euthanasie-steeds-meer-stellen-maken-die-keuze

Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia unless patients are in a state of unbearable suffering with no chance of recovery. Since she was granted euthanasia, it's easy to deduce that that's what was going on.

https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/is-euthanasia-allowed

Thanks, that makes sense.

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And again, if you remember, that's fine by me.

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Lets do this again then. There was no indication that she was suffering from anything like her husband. As another user said (And the article) duo suicides have become more popular, implying that the other person is simply killing themselves due to their significant other dying.

But like I ALSO said, it depends on what they went through, something that could have been kept private and something that the experts and professionals deal with.

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If you think this is childish I agree. Only because I've had to go over things more than a few times now. If you have any new arguments go ahead, but if you're going to just ask the same questions over and over, you'd best just look through the topic.

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Yet my opinions tend to set you off. And this hasn't been the only topic that it has happened in.

I've already stated my opinion doesn't hold any power over anyone. Hell, another user said the same and I agreed with him. You however are just twisting the situation as if I'm complaining that I'm being attacked lol.

I really do hope another user starts to reply to me instead. Then hopefully at least I'll have a conversation that makes sense. Geez.

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What have we been discussing? I've literally outlined what my opinion is but I have to yet again reiterate lol.

Let me make it simple for you. If a person is dying and in unbearable situation, then yes euthanasia. If you want any more information, read through the topic again.

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People have been criticising me this whole topic. I have no problem with them. You on the other hand aren't capable of a cohesive argument. Its actually kinda shocking. Everytime I have to re-state my views and opinions after a few posts.

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Its an observation. One I wanted to stay away from until your debating abilities (Or inability) became too much to handle.

Isolated incide- *gets mauled*

No it's not wrong. I think body hair is disgusting and actually shave myself.

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bnui_ransder posted...

Probably last one for this topic

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/71eca977.jpg

Perfect ending

bnui_ransder posted...

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It gave her the butt outline. See, even AI knows lmao

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Solar_Crimson posted...

The filters will likely be up the instant it goes live. It's info page pretty much says that the same filters they use for DALL-E 3 will be used with Sora.

Oh really, the same huh...

Usually they have filters but not as much as they have until after people test the waters. Thats a shame since DALL-E 3 is filtered asf.

bnui_ransder posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e33f321.jpg

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Dude I might show her that result (the idol). That's pretty sick.

WingsOfGood posted...

it isn't out yet as I understand it

Ah I see. Well when it does come out, its best to use it asap before the filters kick in.

Worst story decision. The MC gives up the best class for a lame one.

If so what have you made and how is it? What I'm seeing online is amazing.

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DrizztLink posted...

As long as you realize your opinion literally does not matter, then we're good.

I can definitely agree with you, we're good.

DrizztLink posted...

You're certainly permitted to share your layperson's opinion, and we're permitted to laugh at you for thinking it matters.

Not according to that user. You can laugh at me all I want, I don't mind at all.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Unfortunately this "everyone has the right to an opinion" shit they pushed on us as kids gets taken way too far. Frankly, no, a lot of issues most people do not have the right to an opinion on.

Oh be quiet. Everyone has a right to think what they want, and voice that opinion.

Here you people are championing for the right to self-autonomy over your own bodies (Which I have agreed with almost all points, yet disagree with how people get to the conclusion), yet in the same topic you're arguing against the most fundamental basic human right. Free thinking.

Fucking hell lmao

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What has this whole topic been about? Geezus.

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I don't want to control anyone. Just because I have a differing opinion does not make me want to force them on someone else. I think differently, that's it. If they do something I disagree with, fine.

And your inability to keep your emotions in check clouds your way of thinking, since everything I say in this topic is somehow twisted into another statement I have never said before. It gets tiring with you honestly, you were like this in several other topics too.

Smackems posted...

Probably wants to know if the reasons they did it satisfy his criteria of someone being able to do it

Which doesn't matter. At all

Of course it doesn't matter. Still discussing a topic at hand, which obviously half of CE can't do without having a conniption lol.

I would love to have seen some of you in my university. The debates we had there, damn.

bnui_ransder posted...

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Goddamn it I wanted to see who it would generate with that hand lol

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We still don't know what this is, based on that article, apart from what the husband was suffering from back in 2019 which another user found. We also don't know what drove the wife to suicide.

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Coming from you? You're pretty much one of the most emotional users I've encountered on this site.

Smackems posted...

That's what the professionals are for

Not other people with no skin in their game holding opinions

We've gone in circles here around 4-5 times now.

Murphiroth posted...

There's no "probably" about it lmao, it's their affairs, and none of your business.

There was more information on the husband on other websites which another user found, so there could be even more information on the wife. They could have revealed her reasoning, which means it wasn't really a secret. That's why I said probably.

Murphiroth posted...

Did you miss the part where majin was trying to say she was manipulated into doing it with literally no basis and then when confronted on providing evidence of that he folded?

I disagree with that part. I have no idea what happened in their lives which is why I said it was a good question as to why the wife wanted to die too.

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In the case of mental illness I get that they need saving from themselves to a certain extent. Youre completely wrong on everything else though.

Also, I didnt know SpiritSephiroth was your alt.

Yup, he made this account with over 5000 karma just to be an alt.

\sarcasm

Sheiky-Baby posted...

Shut the fuck up.

Nah Im good.

majin_nemesis posted...

so why did she went with it?

Good question. Did she suffer from anything or did she want to just die with a loved one? Heartbreak from losing him?

The article is really sparse on information, but I thats probably their own private affairs.

SgtBash posted...

Yeah, that's a big yikes.

So that user would rather see people suffer

You talking about me? Have you read my posts? Sometimes people need to work through their problems. Its the whole reason why we have suicide hotlines.

Unless you mean the physical part, in which I will ask you to read my posts.

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This is unhinged CEman behavior if I ever saw it.

No one should be allowed to dictate how someone lives their life. Assisted suicide should be legal all
over. Its their body their choice.

Right, does that apply to depressed and suicidal teenagers and adults? Because I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree it shouldn't.

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No, its all the more reason why we should consider not using it on humans. If there is any reason a human shouldn't be killed we should take that unless that person is absolutely sure and they're in a situation where life isn't worth living anymore >_>

This is my stance and if you disagree, so be it dude.

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Death is the ultimate end. And I believe in doing all we can in sustaining life, not ending it. If that person has any way in surviving through whatever mental harm they have experienced, then that would not only save that person, but save their families and friends from suffering the loss of their loved ones.

And again, I will reiterate since many users here for some reason find it impossible to read through a topic, this is different for someone with physical disabilities or pain which has made their life unbearable. At that point euthanasia would unfortunately be their only choice.

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Okay makes sense, misunderstanding there.

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Again this is all my opinion, as I've said. So yeah of course.

Horith posted... The entire point is to avoid letting people get to that level of pain or non-function in the first place. To allow a person to go in a more peaceful manner before their body deteriorates past the point if having any reasonable quality of life so that their last experiences are not of being stuck in a bed riddled with pain and an inability to do more than sit and wait for the end. A person shouldnt have to be in agony for us to feel morally justified in letting them die, and making them wait to get to that point is frankly cruel.

Again if you read my posts I agreed with the "unbearable pain" part.

Half of what you wrote is literally what I agreed with.

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This is semantics now, and I think you know what I meant.

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We think twice for ourselves more than we do for animals. Which we should, we are different from our pets.

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Its my worldview, which is different from yours. I don't want people to suffer, stop trivializing things. People have different opinions on the internet, you really should learn how to deal with that.

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You initially implied that people get help through a euthanasia program and its faster. I assume thats what you meant by saying "wait around for medical evaluation" for suicidal people.

Horith posted...

Well good news! Thats what laws like the one cited above in my state do. No one is handing these MAID perscriptions out willy-nilly, and the use cases are very narrow. I personally think they should be expanded somewhat, but this was a start.

That's fine? Not initially what I was saying. I was saying I'm against the topic of people offing themselves when they're old. And there is a slippery slope once we allow this more and more. You yourself want the laws to be expanded.

Horith posted...

As stated by a few people, bodies usually dont just go *click* and die. Its usually the result of multiple failures through the entire body accumulating until it cant deal with it anymore. Even relatively benign deaths like heart failure usually have a lead-up where the body is struggling painfully to keep itself going because thats what its designed to do. As a species humans are actually remarkably resilient, our systems keep us going through tremendous pain and deterioration that would be crippling for a lot of other species, but it comes with the downside of our waning years being pretty damn rough.

And as I said, if you get to the point of "unbearable pain" then I agree.

Horith posted...

Not everyone handles their burdens the same. Some people can live fulfilling lives with the same burdens and pain that drive another to feeling suicidal. Its not our place to judge what a persons limits in living with terminal conditions should be. Every person should be able to decide when the pains of their life are too much to bear as long as they can do so in a mentally competent condition unaffected by outside forces or internal mental health problems like depression. Emphasis on that last point because depression specifically renders a decision to end ones life questionable in the mentally capable context.

And this is the part where I disagree. A mentally and physically capable person could easily judge his or her life to be too much to bear.

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Why is a natural life and death bullshit in this context?

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Because animals aren't the same as humans. We don't even treat them the same. So what's this about dignity?

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I don't agree with it. The "end" could have been a few years down the line, or not. But another poster made a good point about the brain hemorrhage so maybe his life was already to the point of unbearable, so that make sense.

Simply killing yourself because you're "old" doesn't make sense to me.

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This is another issue altogether. Does the process really work that way? Wouldn't you have to wait for evaluation before killing yourself like this in the first place?