Current Events > Former Dutch Prime Minister and his wife get euthanized together

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And again, if you remember, that's fine by me.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

There was no indication that she was suffering from anything like her husband.

I mentioned it before. Mrs Van Agt was ill and her health was deteriorating quickly.

Feel free to use Google Translate on these:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5434062/dries-en-zijn-meisje-eugenie-kozen-voor-duo-euthanasie
https://nos.nl/artikel/2508211-van-agt-en-vrouw-kozen-voor-euthanasie-steeds-meer-stellen-maken-die-keuze

Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia unless patients are in a state of unbearable suffering with no chance of recovery. Since she was granted euthanasia, it's easy to deduce that that's what was going on.

https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/is-euthanasia-allowed

Hornezz posted...

I mentioned it before. Mrs Van Agt was ill and her health was deteriorating quickly.

Feel free to use Google Translate on these:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5434062/dries-en-zijn-meisje-eugenie-kozen-voor-duo-euthanasie
https://nos.nl/artikel/2508211-van-agt-en-vrouw-kozen-voor-euthanasie-steeds-meer-stellen-maken-die-keuze

Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia unless patients are in a state of unbearable suffering with no chance of recovery. Since she was granted euthanasia, it's easy to deduce that that's what was going on.

https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/is-euthanasia-allowed

Thanks, that makes sense.

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Again you fail to realize this is a discussion, something that people talk about when an event happens. Especially if its reported on the news. Remember the board name is called current events, right?

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I don't need to deflect. Just saying it like it is. You're pretty emotional when it comes to these things.

Disregarding a woman's argument because she's being "emotional" is, uh, not a good look.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Disregarding a woman's argument because she's being "emotional" is, uh, not a good look.

I don't even know who that person is lmao

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Well duh? I'm still going to have an opinion on it. I find it impressive that you can't understand this.

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I literally have no idea what gender you are. But if you're going to throw that argument at me, go ahead. It just seems like another way to try and excuse how you act on this board.

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Does that mean I know what gender you are? Your name? Who you are as a person? All I know is you're a user on this website.

You're not that important to me lol. So no, I don't know you.

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And again, you didn't read my post. Or you did and just suffer from short-term memory loss.

Hope you get that sorted.

Rest in peace to the both of them. I wish I could have a love like that.

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It's obvious they're just trying to gaslight you. Stop giving them oxygen, we all see the deal.

If that's the way they wanted to go. It's sweet that they were together for so long.

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Chill. Just because I don't know who you are doesn't mean you need to start accusing me of other shit lol.

The narcissism.

GranTurismo posted...

Yeah I'd like to know this as well. Iirc it's illegal in ever u.s. state

I think we do have wills where the terminally ill can pull the plug rather then suffer.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I think death should be natural. People killing themselves makes me physically sick. Not because I'm demeaning them, but suicide is really fucked up as a concept.

Yes part of it is because of personal experiences, people should also live their lives out to their natural end. Once that line is crossed, who knows when that line will be pushed further and further towards situations where its just convenient? Such as debt issues or relationship problems. Maybe one day a person is suicidal and instead of calling a hotline, they just decide to euthanize?

Companies also drive people to depression. "Oh you can't pay your rent? Barely any salary? Your wife/husband left you and have no way to pay off your mortgage? Have you considered killing yourself? We'll take that house off you when you're done". It could lead to all these different lines being crossed.

Again, half of this is an emotional argument (because of personal reasons) and half of this is my rational mind thinking about how the line could be crossed more easily as we move on as a society.

This is obviously not counting situations where a person is physically unable to live. Like if they're on life support or their body is in such a state that living is a burden on them. Those situations are exceptions >_>

Well how's about ya just keep that concept for you n you alone, and not be nasty and judgy and demeaning to others who choose to go out on their own terms?

Venixon posted...

Well how's about ya just keep that concept for you n you alone, and not be nasty and demeaning to others who choose to go out on their own terms.

Wasn't nasty or demeaning to anyone going through these issues. Just a difference of opinion.

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*Inaccurately.

Edit: That person assumes I should know their gender based on interactions I've had with them in previous topics. As if I'm supposed to read their mind with what they are. Then they call me a liar because I don't know?

Yeah thats dumb. And you're also weird for encouraging it.

Hornezz posted...

For what it's worth, Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia on a whim or for minor discomforts. The criteria include: it has to be voluntary and well thought-out, patient has to be in a state of unbearable suffering with no hope for improvement.

Which makes tons of sense.

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In the case of mental illness I get that they need saving from themselves to a certain extent. Youre completely wrong on everything else though.

Also, I didnt know SpiritSephiroth was your alt.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment.

Why must they be saved from themselves? Aren't they human beings? Do you think mentally ill means too stupid to decide? How do you know they aren't going through pain and suffering and life just isn't getting better? If they want to reach out and get help they have many avenues. If they're bound and determined because their life had been one constant mess of emotional misery and shitty circumstances, they'll find a way. Isn't you deciding that their life must be lived how you Demand just as selfish and short-sighted as Muh Gawd sends sinners who dont die when he wills it to Hell?

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I'm not upset. Just find it funny that some of you purposely misinterpret the views that have been made in this topic, and also some of you can't be bothered to read through it. And then try to accuse the person you disagree with, with something totally irrelevant to make them look bad.

Again, I'm not the one accusing people of things they didn't do. Talk about gaslighting.

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Also I wanted to point out that I don't have a vendetta against you. You're not that important. Outside of this topic, I don't care who you are.

We're having a discussion and that turned sour. But once this topic is over we'll go on with our lives. I'll probably continue making the same shitty topics that I usually do and you'll continue with what you do.

Its not that deep.

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This is CE, no one is ever wrong. Neither are you or that other user of course. Except for me, the one you are currently arguing against. Yeah, thats usually how it goes on here.

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No I still stand by my opinion of the slippery slope. There were some users here that did put across good views which I agreed with though. Especially the guy that actually came out with facts on the situation that wasn't shown in the original article.

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Don't play that game lol. First we had an argument (Which is fine), then you accuse me of something totally irrelevant to the subject, now your pretending I'm having a meltdown.

What next I wonder?

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I don't know who that person is. You probably do, but I don't. And I treat everyone on this site the same, regardless of who they are.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

What next I wonder?

I would imagine you keep digging, since you're incapable of recognizing when you should shut the fuck up.

DrizztLink posted...

I would imagine you keep digging, since you're incapable of recognizing when you should shut the fuck up.

Nah I can keep going, I'm fine with that. You're the one acting aggressively towards me. I stated my opinion and it seems to get you all riled up. That's really not my problem.

If you can't control your emotions, take a step back and do something else. Maybe that'll calm you down.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Nah I can keep going, I'm fine with that.

Yes, that is literally what I just said.

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Again I don't know who that person is.

DrizztLink posted...

Yes, that is literally what I just said.

Ah yeah, you're right. I misread that part. Thanks, I will.

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You can keep accusing me of things, not going to change a thing. I treat you like I treat everyone else.

If you think I'm an asshole for that, then that's perfectly fine. Go ahead.

Also going at this rate, TC is going to get a 500 post topic. I'm also good with that if you guys like to keep throwing different accusations at me without no evidence whatsoever. Is that really all you have?

Edit: My sig is also filled with women. But apparently I'm a misogynist.

Whole lot of double posting going on for someone who's so unattached and calm.

DrizztLink posted...

Whole lot of double posting going on for someone who's so unattached and calm.

I just have really nothing else to do today right now. I'm lazying about and have gotten invested in posting tbh. I should be packing soon but that can wait, just want to chill.

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Thats actually a thing thats happened today. I've interacted with that person a few times in the past and this is a first that they've accused me of this.