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Ktjn has some of the best dialogue in FF12.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn 2022

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 10

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Mac Arrowny posted...

BoP would've still been bad if they called it "Harley Squad" or something.

Absolutely - like I said in my post, it was bad writing. But it still deserves its comparisons to the source concept.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ha, yeah, that's a fair point.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Lightning Strikes posted...

Im glad I lured LtM in this topic because he gets to what I actually want to talk about which is the notion of comics fans angrily demanding precise replications of what they know. None of whats different from the comics hurts the film Birds of Prey in anyway. The question should never be does this follow the comics but does this serve the film, the comics are really irrelevant. It was the same with Iron Man 3 for instance.

Now if you bristle at that, what if I told you that the comic purists are just the precursor to the its bad because the story didnt go the way I wanted type of fans that really became s thing around The Last Jedi. It is the exact same root issue.

You should embrace things that challenge and differ from existing material and your existing ideas on that material. Some of the greatest adaptations of all time radically alter elements of the work. The greatest example may be the ending of The Mist which is genuinely one of the most harrowing endings of any film and also not just radically different but also the complete ideological counter of the book. That would never happen under a mindset of adherence to a source.

As someone who adores the differences in so many adaptations, and as the resident comics guy on the board, there is divergence and there is eradication of the concept. Challenging the material is great - creating something that actually ignores the material entirely is another.

This is the same problem I have with the Foundation adaptation on Apple+ right now. There is wild divergence from the source material - some of it is good, but much of it feels like change for the sake of change. And at some point, it would be better to create something entirely new if the entire spirit and soul of the adaptation is being removed completely. This was my problem with Birds of Prey - the ONLY reason Birds of Prey existed was because it showcased Barbara Gordon in a leadership role and everything else about it could have been done in any other title. This is also the reason why the Birds of Prey failed in the New52 reboot. Oracle as a concept was entirely about overcoming physical and emotional adversity and becoming the strength behind a group of heroes. Uniting them, giving them purpose, being there for them.

Birds of Prey as a movie was just so soulless because it wanted to be an off-shoot of the Suicide Squad film and not the Birds of Prey. It could have been its own thing, but it deserves a comparison if it uses the name. That's all there is to it. The crux of Birds of Prey has to remain in order to hold that name.

No one makes this argument about Justice League because despite an absurd variety of changes to the concept, the crux of the Justice League remains, as does Avengers, as does Teen Titans, etc. The Green Arrow really never acted like the Oliver Queen of the Arrowverse. The crux of that character was radical liberalism! Oliver Queen was mayor on Arrow and he STILL never dipped a tow into politics, and if he did, it felt conservative, if anything.

The major problems with Birds of Prey start and end with the writing more than anything else, but once I get past that point, I have to ask - just as I do with Foundation - did the writers really need to name this Birds of Prey? It has no emotional connection to the source material. The superficial changes really never bother me. And creating entirely original plots has been pretty much the standard for every superhero movie! But a character should remain, at its core, a character. Whether you make Superman black, white, straight, gay, whatever, if he's not an alien trying to determine the legacy of his upbringing versus his birthright and just how far his role as shepherd of humanity extends, then it's not Superman. And that's okay, but don't pretend that it is.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 9

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 8

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 7

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Bernadetta

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 6

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Historia Reiss

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 5

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Nanis23 posted...

Oh, we are allowed to trade nominations? Ok i'll go all in

Trading 4 nominations (4 different people I guess) for Historia Reiss (Attack on Titan)

For Alicia Florrick?

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 4

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Trading four nominations for Alicia Florrick

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 3

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 2

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka 1

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Alicia Florrick (The Good Wife)

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Stealth way to determine if people suck in this topic - they bag on JG Wentworth, 877-CASH-NOW commercials.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Eddv posted...

I mean if you dont want to collect thats fine but I offered a finals vote for each of Agrias final 7 saves.

That's a Kefka finals save on my end. If he goes out, you're free from the commitment.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Lopen, save Kefka in the finals. If he goes out, you're free of commitment.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Agrias

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Still thinking about this, but nothing has really jumped out to me as of late.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Janus5k posted...

I really don't find this an interesting experiment - if a character has six mains (well okay five since she was Han's secondary after Stamp) then barring extreme incompetence of course they're going to go deep and their "value" otherwise is irrelevant.

The experiment was to see if six people who all work during round times and have generally busy schedules could manage to stretch this out as far as possible.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

In any event, the only character left that I like at all is Kefka, but it's just not enough to stick around. So I guess I'll see you all next year! Maybe I'll finally get around to actually doing a ranking topic.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

In any event, this was really more of experiment for our group to just see how far we could get a character with zero value in the contest. It bodes well for when we throw our supposed behind someone else's main next year.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

LiquidOshawott posted...

Nah its not a serious attempt at recruiting, do whatever you want.

I dont necessarily agree with the reasoning but getting 7th is a good feat so good job

Han's reasoning was not my reasoning, nor War, Scare, etc.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

LiquidOshawott posted...

So I heard from scarlet that the Ktjn run is like the Detroit Lions

There is a game that in this contest is essentially the Detroit Lions/Cleveland Browns and has been knocking on the door to victory

#AgriasOaks2021

Anyone who attempts to recruit me the day I lose my main legitimately will never receive my help ever again.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Well, as long as it's better than WoW. I never enjoyed the cartoony style or the general design of the world.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

It's interesting; I was actually downloading FF14 as this round commenced just to see if the game was worth the hype.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

LiquidOshawott posted...

Oh nice, sounds like a excellent way to enjoy his recovery.

I havent been to a movie theater in a long time and now I look and theres like a dozen movies I wanna see this month

Me either! First theater trip since Far From Home.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

LiquidOshawott posted...

I will probably be in a movie theater during the round on Sunday, so I think you should at least plan on not trading for that round with me.

Tell me how no time to die is

Actually my dad just got an anniversary CT scan that's cancer-free, so I'm taking my parents to see Shang-Chi.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Also, this just in - if you cover my two saves for Sunday that I would normally get with Ktjn support, I'll toss you two of my finals votes. Does not extend to Yuna in any eventuality.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

@Xuxon I will probably be in a movie theater during the round on Sunday, so I think you should at least plan on not trading for that round with me.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

LiquidOshawott posted...

The Ktjn people are Falcons fans?

You guys are losing me

The Falcons are voiced by the incomparable Matt Ryan.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

GuessMyUserName posted...

i did not receive a blessing

You didn't support Stamp.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Sadly we had a bunch of Stamp material prepared for this point in the contest, but I labored hard to edit some of this as we move forward in this critical portion of recruiting to add to the Ktjn Net.



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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Posted too early.

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Ktjn

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Kefka

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful

Such a bummer. Early in the contest I tried to save Jessie as much as I could.

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"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful