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PerfectChaosZ posted...

God, talking about gender with non-LGBT folks really is the difference between putting up a building and playing blocks with kids.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/8/6/AAA-H0AACr3y.jpg

I actually wasn't sure if fae/faer was an established neopronoun but it seems that it is

The sort of perspective I would expect out of someone who thought, at any point in time, that Ron Desantis was good

masterplum posted...

I hate this sentiment. Are people not allowed to care about saving the whales unless they are a whale?

We're saying don't harpoon the dolphins to save the whales when the whales are telling you they're actually good friends with the dolphins

ChichiriMuyo posted...

To me the concept seems insulting and even damaging to the trans community.

Are you trans? Because we have literally at least 5 trans/gnc people in this topic saying they don't feel this way, so like I said to plum, get a better excuse

Correct, don't awkwardly insist on never using a pronoun at all to avoid someone's pronouns, that's not respectful

It's shitty to put people on blast for getting a pronoun wrong as an innocent mistake but it REALLY does not happen that often, like yeah some people are really overly defensive either as a result of a long history of having to put up with people being shitty to them OR just being a generally unpleasant person, but most trans people are too fucking scared to even put up a fight most of the time even after like the tenth time getting misgendered. If someone does 'get yelled at' it's usually either: not the first or second or third time someone fucked it up, or someone on the internet who was intentionally being a troll and getting called out on being a troll and not on misgendering, or it was someone high profile who got dogpiled on which regrettably does happen

MZero posted...

this isn't actually linguistic description, though. It's putting rules on the way people are allowed to talk in certain situations, contrary to how they naturally would, which is closer to prescriptive language if anything. If the population collectively decided to make a new pronoun, rather than someone being like "call me this" then it would be descriptive language though

Nah, that's not how I mean - it's descriptivism in the sense that this person is using this, so I can't really say that the pronoun doesn't exist because they're already demonstrating it

masterplum posted...

I feel like at that point you are undermining people who legitimately want to be labeled a different pronoun from their sex

has never even remotely been a concern for me so I'd find a better excuse

Ideally if you don't understand why someone's using a neopronoun - maybe they don't think they're special, maybe they just don't really like the available options and are trying to establish a new one - you'd ask the person, and if you don't need to communicate with or about them, congrats, this isn't actually a problem you have to worry about today

Personally I'm kinda down to clown with neopronouns, because I know the inevitable frustration that comes from trying to get something started that's weird and different and nobody wants to go along with it, so like, sure, whatever? Feels like the big dick energy here comes from just rolling with it and not being worried that it makes you look foolish. The more I think about it the more it just doesn't feel like there's really a reason to be particularly obstinate about it, I'm a language descriptivist so it feels like it falls on me to side with the people who are trying to shape language to better fit their needs because it's fun and why not

My actual, non-snarky answer is the following:

The validity of someone using a neopronoun that's unique only to them is a matter of debate in the queer community that badly frustrates the small-but-growing minority of people who wish they could use them without being judged for it. I don't really get it, myself, but pretty much the last thing that I would ever want to do is have a conversation about it with someone who insists on being a dismissive jerk about the idea, rather than open-minded and open-hearted for people who want to expand their gender expression in this way, even if I do ultimately kind of feel like the idea of substituting any string of characters for a pronoun is sort of an unwieldy way to treat pronouns. So, like... my recommendation is to be open-minded about the idea because it might really make that person's day? Why not give it a try? Worth a shot. If you ultimately revert to they/them because it's too confusing, the reality of it is that you're probably not going to get called out on this because so few people are willing to play ball with even the most well-known neopronouns, but be mean about it to them and I will come over and roundhouse kick you in the face. or well I'll try and fail and then I'll tell you off probably.

Sounds like you're not up to the exciting linguistic challenge of using faer pronouns correctly

All of my love to you.

Oh that's so gross what the fuck