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nfearurspecimn posted...

okay let's start with this. what is the purpose of this topic?

I am legitimately curious if people think slurs are worse than physical assault.

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nfearurspecimn posted...

I'm implying you're trying to create a false scenario to argue that people who hurl slurs at others are doing so for a reason "not as bad" as something else, that you're trying to defend it.

Right, that's what I thought you were implying and I strongly resent that implication.

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nfearurspecimn posted...

joe, do you really think the second scenario happens in real life?

Not commonly no.

I dislike what I think you are implying though.

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Damar posted...

Your complete inability to evaluate sources. To you an unsourced YouTube video from a rando nobody is a gospel truth because it agrees with you. While a peer reviewed medical study is easily dismissed as big pharma propaganda because it says the opposite of what you believe.
Then there's your ignorance when presented with actual scientific data you struggle to understand it and then interpret it in completely the wrong way. When several people including medical professionals on here correct you. You immediately start whining and playing the victim. As if you're sometype of marytr to the cause of truth and rationality and we're just ignorant peons for even questioning you. That's exactly how both your Ivermectin threads went. Sadly I can't link to them because they stand as testament to who you are as a poster.

I posted detailed sources, including peer reviewed medical journals.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

I'm having trouble understanding the question.

In scenario 1: Somebody calls you a slur, completely unprovoked, in response you beat the shit out of that person.

In scenario 2: Somebody beats the shit out of you, completely unprovoked, in response you call that person a slur.

In which scenario are you being less moral?

Is it worse to assault somebody for calling you a slur, or slurring somebody for assaulting you?

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FortuneCookie posted...

Kinda, yeah.

He's done a lot to be inclusive with regards to Black cinema and I give him sincere props for that. However, he has an apparent problem when a White person isn't Number One. He made an empowering antiracist film about a former slave turned bounty hunter and gave 80% of the memorable dialogue -- and the BIG DAMN SPOILER scene -- to said bounty hunter's White boss.

He also reimagined Bruce Lee, who was historically humble in his ability, as a cocky jerk who needed to be put in his place by an invented White guy. He's also spreading lies that Bruce Lee got choked out by Judo Gene LaBelle. They trained together. Bruce learned from Gene and Gene learned from Bruce, but they didn't fight each other and Labelle didn't choke him out.

So, fuck him for that.

Thoughts on Jackie Brown?

Also who do you think is the protagonist of the hateful 8 or pulp fiction? I could see arguments for sam jackson for both.

IMO we should make a distinction between "he did some scenes or made some creative choices I don't like, or even some creative choices that I find racially offensive" and "he IS racist."

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Damar posted...

For someone of such modest intellect you are so ridiculously full of yourself it's amusing to watch in a car crash kind of way.
You could be a case study in Dunning Kruger

What specifically did I say that you found to be stupid?

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I'd do 2 month for 1/6thths a million even without netflix or gamepass. If I just had books and ability to write.

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I'm thinking we've gotten to the point where many people think words are worse than physical violence, so I wanted a poll to ask.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Every prescription I've seen for ivermectin for COVID has been far beyond the safe dosage like you'd see for head lice though.

I think the reason some people don't like me here is they always just replace me with the strawman of me they have in their head.

I'm sure Joe Numbers will call that fake news though. Japan is investigating ivermectin, so clearly pharmacists in America are just scared to call out their Big Pharma overlords who apparently planned the pandemic years ago when they decided on safe ivermectin dosing.

I didn't say any of those things, I don't think those are accurate statements, if somebody sincerely posted that claim you attributed to me, I would strongly disagree with their conclusion.

And that's the problem, people get mad at me for stances their strawman version of me takes, that I literally disagree with.

I've come to a realization, and It's how I've been able to take it less personally. A lot of people "just read the headline". And so they do that with people too, they presume to get "the gist" of a person's entire character and worldview, and then just base all their reactions based on their sloppy inaccurate approximation.

Most people don't get mad at the news, they get mad at the sloppy approximation the headline gives.

And I think you'd find that most people you think you strongly politically disagree with, aren't in fact monsters, just the sloppy approximations you have of them are.

What's interesting is that I think the big reason this happens is that the warped incentives and corrupt capitalism driving the modern "attention economy", and I think this is a huge problem

And it's just ironic that, one of my strongest stances is anti-capitalist, and that is something your strawman version of me would never say.

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Worked late tonight so I'll have a long weekend to work on it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I bet you think racism only exists if someone is literally beating someone while declaring they are doing it because they hate that race.

Are we just going to pretend symbolism doesn't exist? A Robert E. Lee statue isn't literally racist either, but it does pay respect to a man who led the army of a rogue state that fought for slavery.

The rock could have never been called any racial slur and it could still become a symbol for X people to offend Y people. No, it doesn't mean every rock on the planet is offensive.

Everyone should never speak/write again if they want to pretend words mean nothing and symbols don't exist. No point in communication if it's meaningless.

I think you make a few big errors.

First you suggest that people can reasonably attach meaning to certain objects which is true, but your misstep is implying from this that all meanings attached to any object are reasonable. This is not true.

Similarly you seem to have no willingness to acknowledge the magnitude of the "badness" when weighted against the overall thing. They had a small statue of Bill Cosby at Disney, the statue was built specifically to honor the integrity and the value of him. And since we as a society realized lacked such moral character. It makes sense to remove it.

If a monument was built to honor something we don't as a society value any more then few would object to tearing it down. The issue is that you act like "racism" is this vampire bite that trumps everything else.

A statue of Robert E Lee could be somewhat reasonably be argued to be "a symbol of racism".

A statue of Thomas Jefferson, less so.

A statue of Abraham Lincoln, even less so.

A rock that was never anything racist to anybody, basically not at all.

But it seems like you or some people who think like you don't see a distinction on magnitude about anything.

If something is 99.9999% known as a significant geological landmark and 0.0001% known as "a place that was called the n-word once 96 years ago", no sensible person could think of that rock as a "symbol of racism".

Finally, what's really weird, is your logic on this gives intolerant people all the power. You'll never hear "sure nazis used the swastikas years ago, but we are going to reclaim it as a symbol of peace and tolerance!"

No instead "some people in racist groups flash the 'ok' sign, THE OK SIGN IS NOW A RACIST SYMBOL."

You should watch "Feels Good Man" it's a documentary about Pepe the frog, and how it was just a silly meme by an interesting guy, but then because some trolls used it, people similar to you insisted that frog (and even the creator) were by explicitly racist.

Why would you want to cede all ground to racists? You are giving them so much power by pretending that a single newspaper article from 96 years ago "infects" an inanimate object enough that it is undeniably and powerfully racist. Surely you know such a claim is asinine.

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Chrknu posted...

Interesting....

Unfortunately that's how a lot of people respond to measured nuanced stances.

When people don't have a counter argument they tend to act like incredulous mocking dismissal is an argument.

I like to think everybody with sense can see right through such a tactic.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Its joe numbers. Cant expect too much sense.

He played a part. And it's interesting that you post this topic. Considering that you have a long history of hating on Yang.

I understand why a person can be a fan of somebody, but tbqh it's weird to be an "anti-fan", just bringing up somebody, misrepresenting them, and then dunking on them.

You don't like Yang? Fine, he's not for you, move on.

What did UBI kill your cat or something?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Yes. No one could have ever possibly heard about the past of the literal main geology exhibit at campus.

So it was significant for geological reasons... and you think that means it was famous for being racist?

I went to college there. I don't know if I even knew the rock existed. It's weird that you have to insist something is famous (it wasn't) and that it was thought of as racist (it wasn't).

By your own admission the only thing notworthy about it was it's geological stance, so why spend 50k moving it when you basically admit that it had no racist significance.

Are you just kinda trapped by your ideology that you have to defend these dumb things regardless of how dumb they get? Or do you legitimately believe a single person 95 years ago can make something "a racist monument' by calling it a slur once, and then nobody knowing or caring in the intervening 95 years.

Isn't the moon racist then? A famous poet called it the n-word once.

I think to be logically consistent you have to think the moon is racist.

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Xavier_On_High posted...

So they spent $50,000 to move it because they had no strong feelings towards it? Understood.

Is somebody having "strong feelings" all it takes?

Pretty sure people you likely politically disagree with have "strong feelings" about things.

So doing anything in service of addressing those strong feelings is justified then?

Also what about geology students or just sentimental people who have "strong feelings" about keeping the rock?

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s0nicfan posted...

You can tell a whole lot of people didn't actually read the article since no one's bringing up the fact that the rock is used in coursework for the geology department because it's 2 billion years old and of significant scientific importance, or that they had to get special permission to move it because it was near native burial ground.

I'm starting to realize just how many people don't read the articles or sources around here

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

Because it was implemented (like many confederate statues) to flex over the African American population. Just because it was subtle doesnt make it any less offensive.

Did you read the article? That's just factually completely false.

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

One weirdo calling the moon a slur isnt equatable to white people making an innocuous symbol something tongue-in-cheek racist for almost 100 years to oppress minority students, bro.

Did you read the article? That's not a all what happened. It was never officially called that. One weirdo in a newspaper 96 years ago appears to be the only documented time it was ever called the slur.

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M_Live posted...

TC why do you hate black people

I hope this is a joke, but you can't tell these days.

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ModLogic posted...

someone should name the white house something racist. then we can get it knocked down in 50 years.

I'm sure a racist somewhere must have called the building itself a slur while Obama was president. (And likely other times too)

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Vyrulisse posted...

"It's not a big deal!"
"Okay then why are you making it one?"
"LOL chud we're not you are!"
"So it can stay?"
"NO IT MUST BE REMOVED!"
"Uh okay..."

Lol yep

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M_Live posted...

I only skimmed the article, but it seems like it's literally a symbol of racism lol. I'm not seeing an issue with it being removed from a school campus.

How do you figure?

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Let us remember: The point here is treating a rock as psychologically damaging because of something someone dug up written about it at a time when people lived without antibiotics, television or McDonalds. And yes, people often called big rocks and other things that ugly name in those days. But by that logic, we should be lifting away thousands of rocks nationwide. Note the perfect absurdity of an idea that America is coming to terms with racism by having cranes laboring all over the country moving boulders to different spots. Then I assume we must also refrain from consuming what many consider the most luscious of nuts, the Brazil because they have been described with a similar word as the rock. Let us raze stands of Brazil nuts worldwide as a gesture of antiracism? Nay, I shall continue to savor their exquisiteness and shall wince not.

My message here is not that the students should have just hit the books and kept their chinny chins up. Black America has problems that cannot be solved via personal initiative alone, and young people eager to help change the world are to be lauded for addressing them. If the Black students who had that rock pulled away do tutoring with Black kids in Madisons more challenged public schools or get behind police reform efforts in the same city, then they deserve all due support. (Id even consider giving them school credit for it.)
But the rock episode was settling for performance art and calling it antiracism. Kabuki as civil rights its fake, its self-involved, and it helps no one. Yes, racism persists in our society in many ways, and administrators serving up craven condescension as antiracism are fine examples of it.

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NYT OPINION
JOHN MCWHORTER
The Performative Antiracism of Black Students at the U. of Wisconsin
Aug. 24, 2021

By John McWhorter
Opinion Writer
The University of Wisconsin has apparently done Black people a favor. It lifted away a rock.
It was a big one, 42 tons, and at least some Black students thought of it as a symbol of bigotry. Because, you see, 96 years ago, when the rock was placed where it was until just now, someone in a local newspaper called it brace yourself a ******head.

That didnt settle in as a permanent nasty local moniker for the rock. It was just something some cigar-chomping scribbler wrote in 1925. But still, the Wisconsin Black Student Union, making one of the kinds of demands such groups started pushing with especial fervor last year, insisted that the rock be taken away, with the backing of the schools Indigenous student organization. News reports say the rock had troubled students over the decades; some saw it as a racist monument, as one put it, whose absence now allows them to begin healing.
The students are fashioning their take on the rock as a kind of sophistication or higher awareness. But what they are really demanding is that we all dumb ourselves down.

The idea, it would seem, is that there is no difference between the past and the present, that what some writer said one day during the Coolidge administration would be hurtful to a student walking past the rock while texting last month, that this rock is representative of racism in the same way that a Confederate statue is representative of Southern racism.

So apparently the passage of time is an illusion? Thats sophisticated indeed as a literary conceit, but whats deep in Faulkner becomes mere performance when its wielded to have a rock lifted away because of what one person called it almost a century ago.

And a crude performance at that. The students essentially demanded that an irrational, prescientific kind of fear that a person can be meaningfully injured by the dead be accepted as insight. They imply that the rocks denotation of racism is akin to a Confederate statues denotation of the same, neglecting the glaringly obvious matter of degree here as in, imagine pulling down a statue upon finding that the person memorialized had uttered a single racist thing once in his or her life.

We are to pretend these students are engaged in something called critique. Interesting, though, that the root of that word, krei, originally referred to making distinctions, as did the root of the word science as in knowledge. These students are implying instead that on race matters, the advanced way is to resist distinguishing.

The philosopher George Santayana analyzed criticism as dividing the immortal from the mortal part of the soul, as in isolating for posterity that which is true, essential. These students critique suggests, among other things, that something that hurts you makes you weaker. Is that really what we want to classify as truth essence? How can the same people who would lustily insist that Black people are strong get behind having a rock removed from their sight because of something some boob wrote about it some 100 years ago?

If the presence of that rock actually makes some people desperately uncomfortable, they need counseling. And as such, we can be quite sure that these students were acting. Few can miss that there is a performative aspect in the claim that college campuses, perhaps the most diligently antiracism spaces on the planet, are seething with bigotry. The Wisconsin rock episode was a textbook demonstration of the difference between sincere activism and playacting, out of a desire to join the civil rights struggle in a time when the problems are so much more abstract than they once were.

The true fault here lies with the schools administration, whose deer tails popped up as they bolted into the forest, out of a fear of going against the commandments of what we today call antiracism, which apparently includes treating Black people as simpletons and thinking of it as reckoning.

True wokeness would have been to awaken to the tricky but urgent civic responsibility of, when necessary, calling out Black people on nonsense. Yes, even Black people can be wrong. As the Black professor Randall Kennedy of Harvard Law puts it in his upcoming Say It Loud!: Blacks, too, have flaws, sometimes glaringly so. These weaknesses may be the consequence of racist mistreatment. But they are weaknesses nonetheless. To pretend this is never the case where racism is concerned is not to reckon but to dehumanize.

I know you thought, based on what people of a certain charisma are telling you, that the idea is that where race or racism is concerned, Black people are always right. What matters is not what someone meant, but how the (Black) person says he or she feels about it. Anything less is blaming the victim.

The problem is that to subscribe to this etiquette requires consideration beyond what logic dictates. For example, according to the tenets of critical race theory that has such influence on so many these days, each Black person represents a race-wide narrative of oppression that we need to think about regardless of pesky details such as empiricism or even coherence. Or perhaps Black infallibility is just complicated?

Right. All of us, on some level, know that this is nonsense, and readers who think I am making this point only to white people are quite mistaken. I mean all of us. Neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor redlining renders a peoples judgment of where racism has reared its head infallible.

Treating a people with dignity requires not only listening closely and sympathetically to their grievances, but being able to take a deep breath and call them out on aspects of those grievances that dont make sense. And there will be some, unless those airing the grievance are fictional creations instead of human beings.

On race, we should assess, look ahead rather than backward, channel our thoughts and feelings with cortex rather than brain stem, and think slow rather than fast and the notion that this counsel is white is science fiction. That goes for both protesters and those whom they protest at. Instead, too much of what passes as enlightenment on race these days involves merely pretending that something makes sense out of fear.

Its a safe bet that nobody in Wisconsin assenting to have that rock hauled off thought the demand to move it made a whit of sense. Likely: The authorities caved in so that students wouldnt call them racists on social media. This entailed a basic dismissal of these students mental and moral capacities: Having the rock removed showed that these people apparently didnt expect that Black kids were capable of distinguishing, reflection, sense. In its way, this recapitulates the disrespect that the writer in 1925 leveled at Black people.

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Somebody else should post the norm one... if they think it's not going to upset the mods

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1h10m today, now at 49% done

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All female reboots are stupid. But this guy is an idiot because he thinks terminator dark fate is somehow an all female reboot. It was just another normal bad terminator movie.

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Lincoln

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GregShmedley posted...

Would honestly love to see the same question asked in reverse to the same types that would take issue or mock the idea. Patriots do love their testosterone and manly men.

Nobody would like that either.

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Basically yeah.

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gunplagirl posted...

My entire life is predicated upon a lie, it seems :'(

It's no big deal.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

The weirdest part is TC chose to bold half a paragraph choosing to unbold as soon as the KKK comes up. Which is absolutely relevant to the portion he bolded just before.

Really odd.

Please explain how the KKK existing 100 years ago was relevant to the rock.

I'll wait.

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ultramat posted...

Mind your own business when it comes to what consenting adults do

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gunplagirl posted...

Not so much a joke as just, an unfortunately timed video of someone discovering what was going on

https://youtu.be/CFynSCDPk6g

You know that's fake right?

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Matt Damon

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"One last ride..."

Seriously though, why is it the "FINAL" one?

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I don't want to risk getting in trouble.

Otherwise I'd share that one cut norm macdonald joke.

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Atralis posted...

My read on this situation is that some students that are majoring in being a victim decided to protest the existence of this rock and said "you are racist if you don't move this" and the University agreed to move it because I guess BLM was really big back then and they couldn't find some actual racist thing they could fix by just hiring some dudes to move a rock so they did this.

Yep exactly.

Might as well rename that rock as "Virtue Signaling Rock" now. Because it's movement cost 50k and literally didn't help anybody.

This is one where I can't at all wrap my head around the logic of it's supporters. Even by cancel culture rules it doesn't make sense, if you are mad about a newspaper from 96 years ago calling it that once, then you would try to find a way to punish the newspaper or the descendant institutions of the newspaper or descendants of those who profited from the newspaper. But not the rock itself.

The rock itself literally did nothing, name the rock to something insanely not racist, or hell name it a slur against privledged white people because I think that counts as "anti-racist".

Call it "ok boomer" rock, leave it there, save everybody 50k, and save the geology department from having to make a field trip each semester.

I think this is my new go to example of how dumb "woke" can be. It's not the most evil or anything, but it's got to be the most stupid.

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PaulieWalnuts posted...

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/inside-the-us-governments-plan-to-blow-up-the-moon/

I mean... statistically speaking, somebody at some point had to have called the moon a racial slur.

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Just googled it, a famous poet did once.

So I guess we gotta blow up the moon.

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Fluttershy posted...

So in your mind if somebody called a location a racist name

i asked you to make posts worth responding to and i told you to stop equivocating, dude. if all you can do is shitpost, i won't give you the time of day.

I don't understand the criticism of my question or what you are accusing me of "equivocating" on.

I'm asking you questions about the logical implications of your apparent stance.

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CoorsLight posted...

I think Yang does deserve a small amount of credit for bringing UBI into the conversation, but you're kidding yourself if you think he had a great version of it, or is one of the big forerunners of the idea, or that it wasn't going to come into the conversation at some point soon anyway. There are a lot of leftist/socialist ideas that are gaining public support; he basically only championed one of them (and again in a very capitalist framing - automation, businesses still expand, less welfare, etc.)

If a framing helps sell a good idea I don't have a problem with that.

It sounds like we agree more than we disagree so I won't split hairs pushing back.

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whitelynx posted...

If it was actually upsetting people, then good.

Same question I had for the other person (2 parts):

1. Is there something you would find it unreasonable for somebody to get offended by?
2. If students found something offensive, what would be the limits to what you think is justified to fix their offendedness? In other words, what would you think is "not worth it" when it comes to addressing offendedness?

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Fluttershy posted...

If you heard 86 years ago a newspaper called your street a racial slur would you be in support of tearing it down?

tear down a street? do you read your own posts before you submit them?

but yes, if my street was a racist landmark and they wanted to do something to distance it from that history, i would be in favor.

So in your mind if somebody called a location a racist name, that location becomes a "racist landmark"? And merits being torn down?

What are the rules for this?

Like if the KKK today called a well known tree in your town a racial slur, should it be chopped down?

Aren't you giving an insane amount of power to people who use racial slurs if you insist that every location on which a racial slur is used becomes a "racist landmark"?

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CoorsLight posted...

Economic stimuluses are not a new thing... imagine crediting Yang for the COVID relief lol

The ones we just got are a pretty big break from the norm. And public opinion on UBI did shift during Yang's run.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Okay - I ask because I've rarely seen you zealously advocate for truths that aren't "fringe" (ivermectin, calling people Nazis will make bystanders sympathetic to Nazis, etc). Feel free to provide examples to prove me wrong

There really isn't much cause to zealously advocate for things most people agree on. If you are just looking for me to post some "not hot takes" I guess I can:

I am effectively certain that:
The world is not flat
We've landed on the moon
Racism still exists and is bad

Um, I guess here are some things people probably assume I don't believe, but I actually do:
Freedom of speech should be protected, even for those who I strongly disagree with
The free market will not regulate itself, and capitalism has some horrible issues that we need to control for
There are things we as a society should be doing to correct for the actual racial unfairness that exists (I really hate unfairness)
We need serious police reform
I don't like guns and I think gun reform is very important
Climate Change is very real and very serious
I don't find fox news to be accurate about almost anything
I don't like Trump
I like Biden a fair amount
Leaving Afghanistan was the right choice (not sure which way people would tell me they think I feel on this)

I think Jordan Peterson overstates things and has a blind spot with regard to religion. (There really is a whole list of "public intellectuals" that I like and defend that I still have many points I strongly disagree with them on. Like Joe Rogan has several takes I think are wrong or blockheaded)

And like, I don't like Dave Rubin or Ben Shapiro or Tucker. (But of the 3 I'd probably say Ben is the best because although he seems dense and using rigidity as a faux performative certainty, he at least seems to be largely consist in his silly values)

I think Isreal acts in a pretty fucked up way towards palestine (but Idk which way hivemind party people would expect me to think about that)

There are probably loads of other issues that a bunch of people are sure I think one way about that I don't think that way at all.

I guess if you have specific issues you have questions about (provided they aren't mod bait) I will answer them.

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CoorsLight posted...

I voted for Bernie, he actually has a full spectrum of left-wing ideologies, decades of demonstrable evidence of those views to back them up, and actual experience with Washington policy chops. I know that the media is shit and am very familiar with them waging a campaign against someone who threatens the elites.

People never "turned on" Yang because he was never popular to begin with. Yang gang imagined him to be more popular than he really was because he milked a lot of non-traditional media, and for people who consume primarily that media, it gives the illusion that he was bigger in the national conversation than he really was.

I don't think the Yang Gang had illusions that he was the front runner, but like he got 6th in the Iowa Caucus and Biden only got 4th.

He easily outlasted the person who got selected as VP.

He did amazing considering he came from nowhere. IMO

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shockthemonkey posted...

An unsuccessful politician is not going to institute political reform.

He raised awareness and public opinion of UBI, and I think there is a good case to be made that had he not raised the issue as he did, the COVID relief money that everybody got and loved would have been smaller or harder to get through.

That is a huge ass accomplishment.

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Master Kazuya posted...

I mean to be equal, the R party is a corruption shithole, good lord there is no hope with that

Yes. I don't think anybody was saying otherwise.

In fact in the NYC race the winner was basically a republican DINO.

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Shezarr posted...

Shilling ivermectin is covid disinfo. Shut the fuck up

Well then, it stands to reason that I am being truthful in saying I wasn't doing that, and that all accounts that I was doing that come from people who aren't particularly invested in accurately representing the truth.

Youtube originally took down the video as misinformation (likely due to the title involving the drug name) then "after review determined this video was not misinformation." Unless you doubt youtube's ability to assess what is and is not misinformation, you are, on the facts wrong.

Now please stop derailing topics with this. Nobody likes it.

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