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Guide posted...

No friends? Your references will be previous employers for anything above bottom rung jobs.

fellow employees are good references too
and if you are taking above entry level, most people have had multiple bosses anyways.

basically, you pick and choose the ones who liked you more

3PiesAndAFork posted...

Wow. You screwed the pooch on that one. Like yikes. She was still happy to be friends with you (friendzoned, basically), but now your relationship is awkward.

Sounds like it was for the best. He had no intention of being friends.

Her having a bf would not have mattered if he did.

He wants her attention only for romantic interests. They are not actually friends.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

My point is he thought my topic about getting 2 weeks for using references was common sense and no brainer. What he didn't know was I made the topic mainly because people were against 2 weeks notice.

I am not saying it is not something people do.
I am questioning why it exists, the origin and intent.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Lmao hilarious. On my topic about giving out 2 weeks notice Guide was all like "no shit" but now he's arguing with people who are against it. Now he knows why I made the topic.

We aren't arguing about the notice but the reason why references exist.
Of course he is being a corporate bootlicker.

inb4 losers call them entitled and such other bs

Guide posted...

Yes, you want to be able to have references to prop you up. It's a good sign that you have that at all, because you're only going to get verifiable references from good impressions on previous employers, and for anything above a certain pay grade, they're going to verify.

How likely do you think it is that someone has no friends that they worked with and thus no easy references? Very unlikely.
And lets say that such a person exists, it doesn't mean they would be a bad employee anyways so again, it is meaningless.
The only case this actually would matter is if someone gave a reference that would trash them. But why would they do that? They wouldn't lmao.

Guide posted...

And Jesus, at anything beyond bottom rung retail, you're going to have a screening interview just to get to the actual interview(s). They pay those screeners good money because it's cheaper than just hiring, training, and firing people until they find a fit. And how are they supposed to even know who to give an interview among the thousands and thousand of applicants with no filtration process? It just goes on.

All this occurs before a reference is contacted.

I ace all this. I look amazing. I know the job, I prove I have all the skills.

What is the point of the reference again? They don't need to prove I have the knowledge. They literally fish for this in the interview.

Is it to find out if I stole from the job? Good luck cause if I did my reference won't tell you that. You would have to be an idiot to provide such a reference.

It is literally meaningless.

I find nothing insulting. You made poor arguments.

Plain and simple, the references I provide will prop me up and I know that. I will not give a reference that would be objective and say maybe I am not the best. Why would I?

Yet you are arguing that somehow this will come about via the reference. You aren't living in reality.

So what is the point? The point is to encourange me to bootlick my boss so I can possibly use him for this. If that fails, I won't use him.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/4/AAefUOAACy-I.jpg

also Dan Crenshaw, the republican with the eyepatch beat Pelosi lmao in stock value this year

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/0/AAefUOAACy-E.jpg

Holy smokes 131 federal judges oversaw cases where their family members traded stocks.

Wow t hat is alot of corruption.

Wow.

Seeing this on the Hasan Abi broadcast.

That is, like Pelosi husband trading stock with privileged info she has.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

References make perfect sense and are completely reasonable.

explain

wait

this is a no_lu topic

I thought you were a highly paid engineer.
Why they asking you this stuff?

OliviaWildThing posted...

they cant deny it

you recklessly and purposely got sick

denied

Guide posted...

but are you denying that references are outright useless at increasing the odds of good hires?

1. references can lie
2. I don't believe most references are actually even called...just that said person has them listed is a checkmark
3. even a totally legit reference is meaningless as perhaps they were an amazing worker for that place, doesn't mean they will be for you
4. there is actually a systematic problem where HR is struggling to find people to hire and bs redtape like this is to blame which MEANS the opposite effect is going on. This redtape is flagging good employees and making them impossible to hire.

If someone has the qualifications and does a good interview, you shouldn't want more. Wanting to speak to their old boss is actually in the realm of crazy. It is like a woman wanting to interview a man's past girlfriends before agreeing to date him.

You don't need to do that. Just hire them and if they are trash fire them. You literally lobby for that power as a big corp.

@Guide

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

It absolutely should be the default approach if they wouldn't do the same for you. Why the hell would employers get two weeks but employees don't? If anything, it should be the other way around as people matter and companies don't.

ez
How to exploit workers more? Make a system where they need to bootlick or else you can hurt their future career.

You could at least make it less obvious you copypasta this from reddit.

SnipeStar posted...

wasn't it the diamond/jewelry companies that fabricated this processes for the sake of selling engagement rings?

I believe giving a ring is old as greek civilization.

Lol pretty sure women came up with the idea of proposing...not men.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Nah it's still dumb because people are only going to cherrypick the references that have good things to say about them. Or even better, they'll just have a family member or friend lie on their behalf.

It's an antiquated concept from the boomer era and I can say I've only been asked for references once from any job I've worked.

Actually I don't believe they asked for them in the boomer era.

It is a fairly new thing designed to maximize labor exploitation.
Just think how ridiculous interviews are today.

Infact, reference thing literally exists to intimidate employees to treat employers as high and mighty in fear they might give them a bad reference.
This is the real reason. It is exploitative.

Also used to negotiate paying less to qualified people.

They can literally fire you whenever they want. The idea they need a giant safey net is ludicrous.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Not dumb at all. You're going to be giving this person money in exchange for a job you need done... you want to have an idea that the person is capable of doing the job and is reliable before you start giving them money.

That is an illusion which has made companies basically never hire anyone.
References do not infact stop you from hiring bad employees.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

and need references.

Such a dumb concept... references.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

why are Americans so anti-courtesy?

From what I understand 2 week notice is actually an American thing.

Solution_45 posted...

you give them your 2 week notice and they fire you 3 days later

I remember when a nice guy who was important to my company many years was walked out then and there with security.

watertank posted...

depends on your contract, might be legally required

What

So they can deny paid sick time?

Curious what people think based on feedback from other tangetally relatex topics.

Fony posted...

Yup. Just stop going. 2 weeks notice isn't legal.

They will try to badmouth you.

Crescente posted...

I will be the first trillionaire and I would not donate any of it to spite TC.

Not like that is any different than what motivates other billionaires.

SweetieBeIle462 posted...

I would trade my luxury car to be able to draw adorable kitties tbqh

I am sure there is plenty of people who will gladly exploit you then.

Hey, I will pay you in exposure. Deal?

SweetieBeIle462 posted...

Tell me more
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/1/AAfMFDAACy8_.jpg

The people who drew those kawaii af anime characters likely was paid under minimum wage in horrible working conditions as some rich CEO buys a new luxury car.

UndefeatedGOAT posted...

I wish you could unfuck things, but as long as companies have stakeholders in the stock market, theres always going to be a pile of cookies

this is an old cartoon and you really need it explained to you?

The idea is the capital owner pits workers against each other such as domestic vs. foreign in order to divert attention to why the wages have not gone up is just because he as the capital owner wants keep more of the value to himself.

Do you recall the south park episode of "dey took er jerbs!" It was a parody of this very thing where people claim the foreigners took their jobs and depressed wages.
But the reality is that is not actually true.

UndefeatedGOAT posted...

I understand the narrative its trying to form

It got upvotes from redditors who recently quit McDonalds and walmart

No you actually don't according to your post response.

SweetieBeIle462 posted...

Why do these people think they deserve any money?

You understand the billionaire does not make his money doing the hard labor but buy hiring others to do work and not paying them the full value of their work?
You get that right?

@SweetieBeIle462

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/8/6/AAefUOAACy86.jpg

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Do you care if your save file gets deleted? You can just do it all over again.

Speedruns is all about doing that over and over

UndefeatedGOAT posted...

Corporations grandstand about immigration and then benefit from it with cheaper labour, I dont see a lot bosses being racist

This is a stolen post from anti work

Point flew over your head lmao

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If they have no money since it is all gone, then what does knowing how to handle money do for them?

@Mr_Hangman

Similar, a poor guy in the ghetto has the same knowledge and no money. What happens?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/8/1/AAefUOAACy81.jpg

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Exactly, but people who make these comments actually don't really want it to happen ever.
Alot of people have the mindset that if people "lesser" than them are uplifted, they lose their own value as a person and feel lost.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i totally agree with addressing wealth inequality but this is just dumb

This isn't addressing wealth inequality though. It is addressing the notion that people like Elon got where they are through genius, hardwork, blah blah and everything else.

ScazarMeltex posted...

The place I work tried to tell a guy that he couldn't go to any company that does HVAC work at all. Nevermind that it was for a servicing company and we do manufacturing. Dude told them to f*** off and take him to court if they felt they could win. They didn't.

@HylianFox

See ?

HylianFox posted...

uh, I'm pretty sure no employer can force/threaten an employee if they attempt to quit

that didn't go so well for the slaveowners...

Literally happens all the time.

The reddit thread in the comments have so many people saying a similar thing happened to them.

It is about the no-compete clauses and the employee will say their new job isn't one of those jobs but legal will try to threaten them anyways.

YugiNoob posted...

You kidding? Raid has shit profits compared to so many other gachas with far less advertising. The key is to simply make a good product, not shove it in as many peoples face as possible

Had the campagin not been successful, we wouldn't even know what it was. Yet we do, and people actually give them money.

It was a success.

CommonGrackle posted...

I'm not reading all that

@CommonGrackle

tl;dr is dude was a very good underpaid employee and when they gave their boss a 2 week notice the boss threatened legal action if they did not stay and went to their new job they had lined up.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/0/AAefUOAACy8q.jpg

They deserve to be billionaires because they are geniuses who did super hard work.
So they can do it again and again and again. Why are they so worried about taxes and other such things? hmmmm

YugiNoob posted...

The thing is, that has sort of the Raid: Shadow Legends effect. When you push something in someones face too much, it gets less effective because of the overuse.

That was a highly successful marketing campaign. So basically you are telling me to do this even more.

YugiNoob posted...

I dont. But I do believe that this is honestly one of the worst places to get that message out there. It does nothing but make you look like a bitter and angry person when your topics are exclusively negative.

I could less if you think I am bitter.

If the message reaches you, then you should keep this in mind and change any false narratives you had been allowing to make you think wrongly about how society is built and what is normal and ok.

Dakimakura posted...

So when we rising up?

It starts with us talking about this to people we know so that more and more it is normalized to criticize the status quo.

Alot of the pushback against worker movements have always been status quo.