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Lone-Wolf posted...

https://twitter.com/nwthelonewolf/status/1247694260649906176/photo/1

^^^ There's my thesis from these very forums last year. All the best from here in Australia guys.

Oh and the video link to the 30:00 mark is here (it's all in English despite the title): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_MUbRUIWg&t=1806s

You lost me when you acted like Russian disclosures can be trusted

A literal goddamn KGB agent runs the country dude

Joshs Name posted...

7 of 6.8 Mil doses.

You'll be fine

Mead posted...

youre being obnoxiously flippant and disingenuous with this

No, I'm not lol that's literally just what you lot are pushing. You may not like ad absurdum but that doesn't make it flippant or disingenuous

Mead posted...

youre better than that and you know that is not what anyone is claiming

Except you were, and only after I pointed it out did you fully realize that's what position you had taken and start qualifying your statements to "the flu caaaaan beeeee deadly unnnndeerrr cerrrtaainnn connnddiiitiiooonnsss" and whatnot

Lmfao it's first grade spongebob

ReturnOfFa posted...

It isn't 'giving me trouble'.

I mean it clearly is, like I don't even get the sense that you fully understand the point I'm making to begin with. I'm optimistic so I'm acting like you do but I gotta tell ya man it's a real question mark given how you keep talking past me and failing to even address much less deal with my points

ReturnOfFa posted...

I fail to understand how calling the flu 'deadly' 'dilutes' the meaning of the word.

See, you even admit it right here lol it's giving you mad trouble.

The point is that connotations of words matter and precision of language is important. "Deadly" carries with it a connotation of danger and evokes fear or anxiety because it has "dead" in it and implies death, not as a kinda maybe sorta under the right conditions thing, but as something to actually fear.

Ebola is deadly. The black plague was deadly. Gamma ray bursts are deadly. Sodium cyanide is deadly. If you're exposed to any of these things, no matter who you are, you have a perfectly rational fear for your life. And note that I'm not saying these things are deadly "under certain conditions", there's no qualifier. They're just flat deadly.

The flu is deadly... in the very young, the very old, the immunocompromised, whatever specific conditions you please. COVID is deadly... if you're super out of shape or super old or immunocompromised. Highway driving is deadly... if you don't wear your seat belt, drive drunk, don't keep your attention fixed on driving etc., AND if you happen to be in one of the fraction of collisions that result in death.

Saying any of the above things are just flat, unqualified "deadly" puts them on the same shelf as things anyone, no matter who they are, should reasonably fear, when let's be frank, if you don't fit any of the certain conditions it's not rational to expect your own death if you happen to come down with the flu or drive on the highway.

I mean if you want to push the idea that "deadly" doesn't actually mean "stands a significant chance of actually killing you" and actually means "stands a nonzero chance of killing someone somewhere under certain circumstances" then do you, but like, at that point anything you can fit in your mouth is deadly because you could choke on it, including solid food. All solid food is deadly under this meaning. I mean, like, okay yeah, to a fuckin newborn baby, but that's mighty fuckin silly yeah?

ReturnOfFa posted...

I get where you're coming from, but at this point, we're just arguing about a disagreement of semantics

Right but the thing is the definition I'm advocating actually has utility and the definition that encompasses "anything anyone has ever or could ever die of, ever" is basically useless since there is almost nothing it doesn't apply to.

"Chicken pox is deadly" is much closer to the latter definition than the former here

Like I'm sorry this is giving you such trouble and I'm even more sorry to see you've decided to just refuse to see reason here but if you say without qualification that the flu is deadly all you're doing is diluting the meaning of the word and making it less useful, like that's just factual lol

ReturnOfFa posted...

Oooookay, well now it turns out you're a self-professed medical expert too. Lovely.

The chicken pox mortality rate is 0.00035%. If you think that rates as "deadly" you don't know what that word means lol

I didn't have to be a medical expert and in fact never once professed to be one despite your attempt to claim I did. I just had to know how to use google. I guess that's beyond your capability or something idk

ReturnOfFa posted...

it's almost as if this disease has the potential to be DEADLY

By using the qualifier "has the potential to be deadly" and not "is deadly" you are already halfway admitting that you know it's silly to flatly label influenza "deadly". Mead did the same thing before conveniently ignoring this thread after I called him on it lol

ReturnOfFa posted...

*mentally puts honkzilla down a peg to reside closer to wwinter*

I am devastated to lose face in the fictional rating contest that exists only in the head of the living avatar of the Dunning-Kruger effect. How will I go on

DrPrimemaster posted...

Why is running so bad for us when it is fundamental to our species? Is it just cause we were never designed to live this long?

Also, as much as I dislike running being able to run fast feels pretty great.

Clench281 posted...

Yes, our life expectancy is much greater than it was in the past, significantly past our average years of reproduction.

How in fuck have you two made it to 2021 with these misconceptions about life expectancy intact

Life expectancy is not life span and modern practices have increased life expectancy by virtually eliminating many causes of childhood mortality, so life expectancy (which is an average) went from 30 or so to the high-70s/low-80s it is today thanks to the precipitous drop in young death. It's not like human beings normally die somewhere in their 30s and now we have more time thanks to good ol' science.

Our lifespan has not changed to anywhere near that degree, people in premodern times who survived childhood stood a very good chance to survive to be what we call senior citizens today.

Mead posted...

Its always meant the same thing.

Holy fuck you actually think language is static and linguistic prescriptivism is valid. Wooooooooooowwwwwwww dude it's possible that you're actually not intelligent enough to understand why you're wrong lol

Funny that you also completely ignored this:

honkzilla posted...

Like worldmeters gives 200M cases 4M deaths so call it a 2% CFR and we'll kindly just not talk about the difference between CFR and IFR because we've all certainly already had that argument goddamn plenty and it's not important

Holy shit! 100 random people got this disease and an old guy and a morbidly obese guy died! What a deadly disease holy shit if you get it you should fear for your life because it is deaaadllyyyy

Like get a fuckin clue lmfao

KodyKeir posted...

A gamma ray burst is one of the most deadliest things in the universe,

Right, meaning that if you're exposed to gamma rays you have good reason to fear for your life.

Unlike if you get the flu.

Do you see why I don't have to bother responding to the rest of your post, or do you need me to spell it out for you?

Like worldmeters gives 200M cases 4M deaths so call it a 2% CFR and we'll kindly just not talk about the difference between CFR and IFR because we've all certainly already had that argument goddamn plenty and it's not important

Holy shit! 100 random people got this disease and an old guy and a morbidly obese guy died! What a deadly disease holy shit if you get it you should fear for your life because it is deaaadllyyyy

Like get a fuckin clue lmfao

Mead posted...

getting the flu along with a plethora of any other generally non lethal diseases can easily be deadly.

See the fact that you're pulling back and padding with weasel words here shows that you know there's something silly about your case here lol

"Can be deadly under certain conditions or in certain populations" is an accurate descriptor. Merely stretching flat "deadly" to include anything that "can be deadly, etc." makes "deadly" a pretty diffuse term.

Like you're not the only person to use it this way these days so I'm guessing I just have to adjust to it, but "deadly" used to mean "disease I, having some understanding of probability and statistics, should realistically fear as a mortal danger" and now seems in many people's minds to mean "disease certain people could under certain conditions die from, maybe* "

Mead posted...

not as deadly as some things and other diseases, but still deadly

Sure, if you want to stretch the term beyond usefulness you could say that

ReturnOfFa posted...

it's like not calling chicken pox deadly

it's not lol

Mead posted...

that isnt the logic Im employing

it is though

Oh no half a million people died from one of the most widespread diseases in a world of 8 billion plus, oh no, so deaaaaadly

Mead posted...

The flu is a deadly disease

Only if you make up your own meaning for "deadly" that doesn't square with the usage it's had literally all of both of our lives

By the logic you're employing, good goddamn near everything on earth is "deadly" because almost anything could, in the right rare circumstances, kill you.

Like if that's how you want to see it, more power to you, but most people prefer descriptors to be useful and informative, with few implied asterisks

Lol does he realize that nobody buys the "HAHA I AM FINE" act

wwinterj25 posted...

Yeah I actually did. I just decided to be sarcastic because that's all that post warrants.

Lmfao does he fall back on "I was only pretending to be stupid" a lot? I get the feeling he does this a lot.

Mead posted...

yes

Yet you wouldn't say influenza is a "deadly" disease. Because it's not.

Which is the point.

The flu was pretty deadly to the people it's killed

I'd say more but if you don't get it after reading that sentence, it's because you're determined not to

Arcturusisnow posted...

deadly diseases

I'm on your side of this issue but "deadly" is not an accurate descriptor with the fatality rate we have. That's a word that connotes the kind of survival rates we see in, like, ebola

The issue with the virus isn't that it's a particularly deadly virus - it's that it's extremely transmissible, which makes even the small odds of a dire outcome translate into huge numbers.

If everybody rolls the dice, you get a lot of snake eyes, but that doesn't mean it's rational to act as though every throw of the dice has high probability to produce that result

MartianManchild posted...

Do any of you realize how insane you sound when you say unvaccinated people are trying to murder people?

Hyperbole is something perfectly sane people do literally every day. You might want to go talk to some real people.

Lol come on dude, you're having a laugh and you know it. There is no way you don't realize how silly you look right now

lol is he really doing the "i see u r upset unlike me who is calm" routine

lihlih posted...

And they're nothing but food.

You realize that these are sentient creatures with inner experience right

wwinterj25 posted...

I'm better than you

One of those neat little phrases where the moment you say it you prove it can't actually be true lmfao

Ey thanks

It's rape by fraud

Does this dude always have these delusions of grandeur or is he just showing off because he's got a crush on me or something

Am I supposed to know who you are or something

SunWuKung420 posted...

I wouldn't bother with that poster. He constantly lies about me

No smoke without fire

BlackScythe0 posted...

Am I supposed to know who this is?

Yes

Lokarin posted...

For people who don't know, the McRib is basically a pork version of a chicken mcnugget

So, meat.

Reigning_King posted...

Right and the attitude redditors have of being starved for attention and saying/doing whatever they can to be recognized and rewarded by their """community""" is a great side effect of that format I'm sure. Reddit is absolute trash my guy.

I don't see how any of that has anything to do with anything I said lol

Reigning_King posted...

the garbage is hardly navigable

I like it when people put themselves on blast by admitting that they don't know how to follow a threaded discussion

It's like a giant "I say very little that matters" sign

Revelation34 posted...

They do.

holy fuck imagine being this fragile

DirtBasedSoap posted...

okay, fair point

whats that extremely cringe, sappy song called by them again?

Throw a dart at their discography and it will land on a track that fits this description

Clench281 posted...

the direction was overly pretentious

What in the fuck is this even supposed to mean lol

Yeah he's not exactly a Nobel hopeful

wwinterj25 posted...

I win. I'm happy I'm carefree.

If either of these were true you wouldn't feel the need to declare them lmfao

Sriracha

wwinterj25 posted...

Oh they have good reasons

They literally don't tho

Every word of the rest of your post is you just projecting your seething rage so I'ma just let you keep that lol

wydrah posted...

Plus, having a house worth a million is not what I'm talking about. Come back to be when you have a million in liquid assets and then I will tell you that you mean nothing to me because of it (:

We rent because my job moves me around from time to time lol most of that is in retirement investments

Pretty fucked up that you think it's acceptable to write off someone else's humanity just for doing better than you at attaining and maintaining wealth but hey I guess that's what bitterness does to a person

Maybe someday you'll be able to adopt an internal locus of control and you'll resent being outperformed less, who knows

wydrah posted...

are you really going to argue that she is middle class

Feel absolutely free to quote me saying anything even sort of like this lol

wwinterj25 posted...

Yes something that is illegal is the same as something that isn't.

Yes, the principle is the same. Personal choices that directly contribute to preventable harm tend not to be accepted. You can try to deflect by appealing to legality here, but that's just admitting that you can't refute the actual point. Unsurprising, because, y'know, you can't lol

wwinterj25 posted...

Still it's really none of your business what choices others make

It is literally everyone else's business when an individual willfully makes choices that harm others for no good reason lol

You're clearly operating on talking points and dogmatism rather than rationality, so I have nothing else to really say to you. You're just wrong here and all the dumb pre-packaged zingers you got from Shapiro or whoever have been roundly crushed all over the internet for months straight, and the fact is you actually know this even though you won't admit it.

Enjoy your freedumb

wydrah posted...

No, except millionaires. Because fuck them, they ruin society for the rest of us.

Millionaires aren't even that wealthy these days dude

My household net worth was pretty close to a mil last I checked and I'm definitely not living like some robber baron king or anything even close to it

Adjust your sense of scale

LinkPizza posted...

You can loom at this topic to see why it wont work

If you think this board is anywhere even close to representative of the general public in terms of opinions and attitudes, you need to get the fuck off this site and go find some real-life people to talk to for a month or so until you regain a sense of what people are actually like

wwinterj25 posted...

I mean the vaccine isn't 100% effective but some folk refuse to accept other peoples personal choices so get hot and bothered about it. These folk also love the drama.

Yes, people tend not to accept other people's personal choices when said personal choices directly contribute to preventable harm.

If you make a personal choice to punch someone in the face society will not accept it and you will be charged with a crime. That's how this shit works and it's really not complex, no idea why so many are having trouble with this basic concept

MartianManchild posted...

Im just having a hard time understanding why people who are immune to this virus by receiving the vaccine are still worried about it? Can someone please explain this to me?

If cases go up and lockdowns happen again we probably won't get a pass for having made the biggest no-brainer of a correct choice in history

That's why we still care - idiots being idiots threaten to push us back into last summer all over again

I really have no idea why this was something you didn't immediately recognize, and I mean immediately

mooreandrew58 posted...

since its not a real vaccine.

Disabuse yourself of this notion immediately and bask in the glow of your reduced ignorance

OhhhJa posted...

This doesn't really make sense. If I'm being injected with the same thing as you, and it makes you ill, but I feel nothing, it suggests that my immune system was so effective against it that my body didn't have to resort to fever and the like to combat it

That's exactly wrong lol

Feeling ill is the result of your immune system doing it's job

You absolutely do not know what you're talking about and should refrain from embarrassing yourself further

LinkPizza posted...

There are if they want to break the original contract with no repercussions

Not necessarily. She could still come out on top

They gave everyone who already hates her for whatever incel reasons a socially-acceptable talking point plus everyone who still has a hair-trigger fear response to the word covid is gonna view her negatively now

Don't get me wrong this isn't gonna decimate her support but it will dissuade those who might have been on her side, keep in mind how prevalent "you're a selfish piece of shit regarding covid" has been over the last year and how effective it's been in splitting people into camps