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TopicConservatives try to cancel wrestler Nikki Bella for supporting The Rock
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/08/20 1:13:09 PM
#10
Jiggy101011 posted...
Is she the hot bella?

Most people will say yes. I say no.

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TopicPelosi and House to talk about 25th Amendment tomorrow....
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/08/20 12:33:14 PM
#5
What can congress actually do with it? A lot of it revolves around the President giving up power voluntarily OR the VP and what appears to be most of the President's cabinet can make him stand down.

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TopicWere any of you bullied back when you were in school?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/08/20 9:39:12 AM
#21
A bit. I had a dude who picked on me for a few years but he did that to pretty much everyone at the school. Less a bully and more just a huge asshole to everyone.

Family moved to a new area in like 8th grade and I never saw him again.

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TopicIf doctors give a drug that causes impotence to mentally ill patients without th
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/08/20 9:32:58 AM
#21
MrPeppers posted...
What you're talking about sounds more like a side effect of a medication designed to treat a completely different disease, and that side effect was poorly communicated to you. This is by no means illegal or unsafe, especially considering that you have decision-making capacity and just need to have a discussion with a physician about switching to a different medication if the impotence* bothers you.


This is EXACTLY what I was trying to figure out with my question above.


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TopicIf doctors give a drug that causes impotence to mentally ill patients without th
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/08/20 9:11:50 AM
#17
Are you talking about SSRIs and not getting your dick up anymore or something else? I feel like the way you're wording it is loaded af.

Edit: I'm assuming gender. Sorry.

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TopicBiden is up 11% in Florida and 13% in Pennslyvania.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/07/20 3:53:12 PM
#19
As a resident of PA I think it's a lot closer than that shows. I think Biden will win PA but only by a point or two.

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TopicChris Christie is in ICU and reported to be put on a ventilator.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/07/20 2:52:02 PM
#23
SodomInsane posted...
It doesn't mention Christie in ICU but she must know someone we don't if she can't provide a source but has this info.

Or it's full of shit.

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TopicA political scandal in Sweden is erupting.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/07/20 2:50:24 PM
#9
If this happened in the US every side would be up in arms defending their points until tomorrow when we all forget about it and move on.

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TopicDescribe your favorite movie in the worst way
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/07/20 10:28:07 AM
#14
People hang out in a farmhouse because they are being attacked by people that should be dead.

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TopicITT: good SNES tunes
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/07/20 10:23:15 AM
#42
Lufia 1: Intro to Title Screen (Maybe 2 different songs?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBxT0goc2bU

Paladins Quest: Had a good battle theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxuymAhtfI

Illusion of Gaia: Itory Village (my favorite game!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erKDJjWqjvs


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TopicSo I'm officially never getting laid, my Gf is moving in with her Grandmother.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/06/20 3:42:37 PM
#23
Is it possible her parents and family don't think she can handle an actual adult relationship due to her disability and instead of telling you they just control all her actions and movements until you get the hint.

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TopicSo I'm officially never getting laid, my Gf is moving in with her Grandmother.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/06/20 3:27:42 PM
#9
Duncanwii posted...
Yeah she'll have the entire top half of the duplo but if you were a girl would you want to bang your boyfriend with your literally grandparent right downstairs?

Like, her grandma will have to go out of her apartment and go to a door that signifies the start of your girlfriends apartment? Are they sharing a bathroom or kitchen or is the unit self sustaining?

And to answer your question, most girls will bang someone in that situation.

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TopicThe Boys: Will the entire show be about...? (Spoilers)
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/06/20 11:29:02 AM
#2
He plays a huge part in it until the or near the end of the comics.

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TopicWill anyone move to Canada if Trump wins again?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/06/20 11:03:03 AM
#4
I think it's getting to be too late no matter who wins. This country is too divided already and it doesn't matter if Jesus Christ himself came down and ran for President. We need to get our shit together or we will all wish we moved.

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TopicBe honest: if you had supered powers, would you be Superman... or Homelander?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/05/20 3:26:12 PM
#14
Vicious_Dios posted...
I don't watch much tv these days, but thanks. I'll check it out one of these days.

there's a few shows and movies out there that show how dark superheroes can be but this is probably one of the better ones. These superheroes are fucking assholes.

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TopicInstagrammer? Tana Mongeau said she will sends nudes for free if you vote Biden
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/05/20 3:20:52 PM
#15
I believe this is the actual law:

Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

So is she giving someone something that costs her money to get someone to vote a certain way.

I mean if she SELLS those nudes to people normally than yeah, she's giving her product out which has a value, to people in return for their vote. It also says if it's willful then there could be even more jail time. I don't see how this isn't willful.

I'm not a lawyer and this is a layman's take. And yes, I would have the exact same problem if some huge fan of Trump offered to give her nudes away in return for a vote.

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TopicIs Billy Butcher suppose to act like Jack Sparrow?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/05/20 3:17:16 PM
#2
I dunno if he's supposed to act like Jack Sparrow but imagine if you woke up to find your wife dead and a baby floating above you that ripped itself out from her that tries to attack you all because she was raped by a superhero. (Comic spoilers)

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TopicWhy did people ever allow unpaid lunch breaks to become a thing
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/05/20 2:29:07 PM
#21
YellowMustard69 posted...
Yeah that's where the expression 9 - 5 comes from. You got 30 min paid for lunch, so you still got 8 hours.

Today, most people have to work like 8 - 5 with up to a one hour unpaid lunch. It sucks.

I work 9-5 and just skip lunch. I'll eat a muffin or something in the morning and i'm good until 6:30 PM or so.

Edit: I am a salary employee though and that probably matters. I could come in 8-4 or 7-3 or 10-6 or whatever.

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TopicWhat's your experience with dating a coworker
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/05/20 10:16:22 AM
#5
Don't.

The odds of it "working" and you getting married and everything goes fine are small. The odds of it being an okay relationship but with a breakup that will eventually make one person not want to see the other person 5 days of the week for 8 hours of the day are really high.

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TopicDo you think Trump will overcome Covid-19?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/02/20 4:09:58 PM
#54
75 to 84.

He's a kind of out of shape dude who I'm sure has other medical issues.

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Topic"If Biden wins, I'll have to pay for everyone's medicine"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/02/20 3:40:23 PM
#4
hockeybub89 posted...
Said a guy justifying to me why he was ok paying $400 for his seizure med.

We already do. It's grouped in to all the insurances prices. I don't understand why people don't get that. Your work insurance? Yeah you're 100 percent FOR SURE paying for your co-workers medicine. Something goes up in price? I bet a coworker was using a lot of whatever that service was and the insurance company has to make their money somehow.

Health Insurance and Lawyers, the two things that should be looked at heavily for such a rich country like ours.

Edit: I worked in health insurance for years before getting out of the business, partly due to what I saw as shady practices during open enrollment at the time and their to make sure that while sure, you have access to health insurance through our company due to Obamacare, but you don't have access to ANYONE at the company to talk to them about the plans.

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TopicGOP candidate for congress claims Democrats deliberately gave Trump COVID19
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/02/20 12:43:17 PM
#11
Alpha218 posted...
Shes not even a candidate for Congress. She lost the primary in March. She continues to use that label to trick people into thinking shes marginally important

At least twice a week I see a post of her shared "Vote for Deanna! She's trying to beat XXXXXXX" shared. Her twitter handle needs to be changed.

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TopicIf you remember this, your childhood was awesome
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/02/20 11:33:02 AM
#11
I must be too old for all of those except the cookie tin that's a sewing kit. I think everyone's grandma did that regardless of age.
Edit: I remember RROD too but wasn't a kid when it was happening.

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TopicAnyone ever play Beyond Oasis?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 3:21:53 PM
#4
Yeah as a kid but also have it on the Genesis Collection and haven't played it again on that.

It's a decently fun game.

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TopicMost badass bow user?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 2:46:01 PM
#22
gp1829 posted...
Rosa


Well the other one grew up to learn to use whips so I guess this works.

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Topicwhat is the Trump crowd going to troll with when Trump is gone?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 12:38:06 PM
#13
Attack Biden for his "bullshit". Like they did to Obama for 8 years. The same thing they bitch about now and "not getting a fair chance."

Some of it will be legit bullshit but a lot of it won't.

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Topic"Both candidates sucked in the debate"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 11:12:19 AM
#23
harley2280 posted...
The tripping over words argument is insanely stupid. Biden has a legitimate fucking speech problem. Him tripping over words is the literal manifestation of his stutter.

I have a stutter and I do that crap all the time. Stop buying into that stupid fucking dementia conspiracy Qanon shit.

Sure. I'll buy that. I'll buy him stammering trying to figure out if he means millions or billions. But this man has referred to himself as a "gaffe machine" and knows he says the wrong things at times. Is that due to a speech impediment?
"Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids"
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or dunkin donuts without a slight Indian accent"
"We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse no matter what" referring to Covid
"The younger generation tells me how tough things are, give me a break."

Those don't seem to be speech impediment problems, but what do I know, I don't have one.

Now none of those things were said at the debate. But to pretend he doesn't mix up his words and say dumb shit a lot is just ignoring facts.

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Topic"Both candidates sucked in the debate"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 11:00:17 AM
#22
Hexenherz posted...
Even if he did anticipate it, what are you supposed to do. He kept his composure and responded when appropriate and didn't engage in a shouting match. It's not his job to moderate Trump's speech, that was Wallace's job.

Right, that's a tough spot and I agree mostly. Biden did stoop a few times I felt, like telling Trump to be quiet or shut up. You come out with facts to counteract his bullshit. When presenting those facts Biden would sometimes stammer and mix numbers up and such. That why I am saying he didn't look strong and looked kind of weak in fact.

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Topic"Both candidates sucked in the debate"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:56:30 AM
#20
Shadowplay posted...
Biden almost certainly expected the pettiness and interruptions, as most people did, but this was significantly worse than anything we've seen. He handled himself about as well as he could.

Because his base and a lot of the Republican party cheers this shit on. When he "owns" someone with words and it isn't factually correct they don't call him on his shit. They applaud him and say "you fucking showed him." Trump is a powerful person with a powerful presence and Biden couldn't compete with that after all the prep.

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Topic"Both candidates sucked in the debate"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:45:13 AM
#15
Shadowplay posted...
Check out this hot take.

But seriously, why do so many people think that Biden should have known this would happen? Everyone was pretty much expecting a repeat of his debates with Hillary, not the mess that he turned this into.

When has Trump ever acted any differently? I would argue it's just him at the Hillary debates turned up to an even higher level. Why? Because he got away with it before.

Did people really expect Trump to wait his turn to speak? When has he EVER done that? Did they expect him to come out and not lie? When has he EVER done that? If people didn't see this coming they weren't paying attention.

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Topic"Both candidates sucked in the debate"
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:37:24 AM
#13
I will start this off by saying I strongly dislike Trump, and I'm a registered republican still that has gone more middle of the road the last 10 years or so.

I made it 20 minutes in before I turned it off. Trump looked like an asshole which was to be expected but Biden just looked old and feeble at times. He kept tripping over his lines. Do I think he's old and senile like Trump says? No. But I don't think he has all the brain power he used to and that isn't a good thing when you're going for, arguably, the most powerful job in the world. Biden had MONTHS to prepare for this. He should have known every word and lie that would come out of Trumps mouth. He should have known Trump would interrupt as much as he did. He should have been READY for it. But he wasn't. He looked weak.

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TopicEarly Voting Info for each State
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 9:44:07 AM
#9
It's not your fault. The article has it worded SUPER weird.

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TopicEarly Voting Info for each State
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 9:41:05 AM
#6
It's wrong though. There is 100 percent early IN PERSON voting in Pennsylvania.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/philadelphia-pennsylvania-early-voting-offices-open-20200929.html
Plus various links on our states website.

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TopicWould you be in favor of fines on candidates for failing fact checks?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 9:31:48 AM
#4
Am I in favor of the government fining people over free speech? No. Never.

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TopicThe Proud Boys are to Trump what the SA were to Hitler
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 9:26:58 AM
#17
I think they could have the potential to be with a higher membership count but they aren't, as of yet, the brown shirts.

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Topicidiots think biden was wearing a wire last night
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 9:17:48 AM
#26
Choco posted...
to be fair biden does have a mic right in front of him so personally i don't see the point >_>

Yeah I just had to check. Why would they wire someone all over their body when they can just put a mic in front of them. PS: There are mics on the things in front of them. So what is that wire?

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TopicMarvel's 616 | Official Trailer
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/29/20 3:24:10 PM
#22


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Earth 30847 is JUST the Marvel v Capcom universe?

I knew about the different Earths and each is it's own different thing. But I didn't know there was one just for MvC.


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TopicRichard Dawkins disinvited from speaking at college to protect student comfort.
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/29/20 1:50:28 PM
#24
Where is Dawkins numero 4 when you need him.

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Topicwould you make out with another man on national tv for 1 million$?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/29/20 10:35:14 AM
#6
For a million bucks? I'd make a porno with a gay man and I'm straight.

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TopicMaryland Man gets 1 YEAR in PRISON for hosting 2 LARGE Parties during COVID-19!!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/29/20 10:34:31 AM
#24
He looks like a Hawk wanna be before he randomly dyed his mohawk red. I bet Hawk would fuck him up.

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TopicList one movie that couldn't be done today because of it's theme
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/29/20 8:57:58 AM
#25
Questionmarktarius posted...
Triumph of the Will

Probably the most correct answer here.

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TopicDo you think Mitch would let Trump run the country from a prison cell...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 3:34:09 PM
#4
He won't be indicted or arrested if he did anything illegal while in office.

Some will argue he CAN'T be indicted or arrested while in office.


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TopicWho do you think of as the big actors and actresses of the nineties?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 3:06:33 PM
#3
SuperExcitebike posted...
I immediately think of all the JTT posters

There's a blast from the past.

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TopicWhats da person who took your virginity up to nowadays? You still keep in touch?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 2:44:58 PM
#23
It was a mutual taking but we actually still talk pretty commonly. We will sometimes go to concerts together, and two or three times have gone to the beach as just a getaway and usually end up hooking up. It's been like 17 years since we dated and both lost our virginity to each other.

She owns her own business and is a college graduate. Pretty smart girl.

So yeah, we are still friends.

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TopicMom tased/arrested after she refused to leave a FB game for not wearing a mask
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 2:36:30 PM
#8
Here's a link to the story.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/09/protest-forms-outside-of-ohio-police-dept-after-woman-gets-tased-for-not-wearing-a-mask.html

Although I feel like it's been discussed on here a lot.

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TopicHow would I go about reading The Boys online? Is there a service that has them?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 2:33:33 PM
#20
I own them on Comixology already.

It appears they have them on sale on Comixology right now as well. 50 percent off. So the whole thing can be had for 50 or 60 bucks (I forget if there is 5 or 6) These hold about 16 issues each doing a quick look.

You can also get the smaller collections that hold 5 or 6 issues each but two or three of those make up one omnibus and I haven't done the math on if there's a savings there or not compared to buying the 6 I mentioned above.

https://www.comixology.com/The-Boys-Sale/page/24199?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL2xhcmdlQ2Fyb3VzZWw

Weird how it says the sale ended 11 days ago, but they still appear to be on sale.

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TopicBiden selling "I paid more in income taxes than Trump" stickers
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/28/20 11:59:52 AM
#19
I don't know how anyone expected any differently. He warned us during the debates that using these loopholes was "smart". And he's right. What we NEED to do is change the loopholes. I'm not even a Trump fan by any stretch but he didn't do anything illegal here. Sure, maybe some could consider it unethical and they would have a valid point but it isn't illegal or anything WE as taxpayers wouldn't do ourselves. Why? Because the law allows it.

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TopicDo you respect the homeless?
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/25/20 3:51:12 PM
#12
What a strange question.

It's asking if you support a whole group of people or not on the basis of do they have a house.

No, I don't respect or hate any whole group of people based on a single defining characteristic. That's like saying do you respect black people, why or why not?

People get the respect they deserve based on them as a person and their actions.

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TopicApparently Colonel Saul Tigh fell and hit his head and fucked himself up
WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/25/20 11:11:31 AM
#1
News story:
https://www.ign.com/articles/battlestar-galactica-michael-hogan-brain-injury-crowdfunding-campaign

The story is more about the go fund me but it gives details on what happened a little bit. Second go fund me I ever donated to.

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