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| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 359: Two Scoops of Impeachment |
| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:28:48 PM #452 | Jakyl25 posted... Uhhhh it does*Sigh* --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:27:05 PM #449 | Jakyl25 posted... Unless you actually are President and send troops to go do it in other countries, then its patrioticEvery military issue in all of time is terrorism under that thinking. And every leader is a war criminal. We know. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:24:43 PM #448 | DoomTheGyarados posted... No, you showing one contextless fact versus decades of observation and research are not the same. What a strange thing to say lol.We have this discussion all the time, and it always boils down to crime rates, random articles of multiple offenders sentenced more conveyed wrong, and police force rates. It almost always leaves out causes of police force rates. It almost always leaves out corroborating factors. It almost always seems to purposely shy away from economic and environment factors. Then it goes from in regards to police to across society, which again at this point the entire argument keeps shifting over and over. I ain't going to waste my time debating it with yinz again. We already know where we stand on it. You think color of skin is the issue. I say economics. Is what it is. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:17:11 PM #442 | htaeD posted... Goddamn who brought science into a politics thread, because that's where I get really mad.Redsox was aiming for a semantics gotcha. It was easy to avoid knowing it was coming --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:15:26 PM #441 | red sox 777 posted... But very few things are provable. For instance, prove the world is round rather than flat. See if you can do it. I am confident that for every piece of evidence you come up with I can come up with an argument for why it's not conclusive.You can feel free to make it your political platform as you see fit and destroy buildings or kill people over it, and you would be a terrorist, just the same. Do you have a point somewhere? It is not factual that systemic racism exists. A lot of the evidence provided for why systemic racism exists does not actually really even provide much support of anything regarding it at all. It would be like me throwing up a study showing that like 80+% of NBA players are African-Amerkcan or some shit and saying SEE - Systemic racism exists in the NBA. Much of the supporting evidence compiled always leaves out context or other factors. It's a never ending debate because it is simply a theory with no compelling evidence. People simply believe what they want to believe regarding it. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 3:05:18 PM #437 | red sox 777 posted... If you can provide evidence for or against it, then it's a factual issue. That is the definition of a factual issue. It doesn't matter if you cannot conclusively prove it.It isn't a provable fact. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:58:36 PM #432 | ChaosTonyV4 posted... Not everyone agrees the Earth is round, so whatIt's not a factual issue. It's a theory. You can provide evidence in its favor. You can provide evidence not in its favor. You cannot prove it unequivocally either way. Thus, it is just a belief you have. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:47:48 PM #429 | Inviso posted... If I'm peacefully protesting with a large group that's also peacefully protesting, and suddenly another group rocks up and starts attacking us, and we then respond by fighting back to defend ourselves, while yes it's bad to escalate to destruction of property, that escalation isn't just the result of peaceful protestors randomly decided to cause destruction. It's the result of violence being instigated by the police in that situation, and the same is true with a lot of the BLM riots.First of all, no this isn't justified. Second of all, that isn't what happened still no matter how many times you say it. I guess Karen would have been justified to shoot that cop in that video above under your justification. He grabbed her arm and assaulted her for peacefully protesting mask rules! He forced her into action due to his heinous actions! Lmfao. I mean, that isn't even what happened in 2017 anyways, but the justification is laughable. You are never justified to go commit crime... C'mon. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:44:16 PM #427 | LordoftheMorons posted... Jesus fucking ChristKudos to the police for catching this terrorist. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:06:25 PM #419 | Inviso posted... Literally true. See, "justifying" is when someone who has been markedly right-wing in their political beliefs makes a false comparison between two different events as being equally heinous. The effect of this is that the peaceful event looks worse, and the violent event looks better by comparison. And then the person making the argument can then claim to be a centrist, despite the fact that all their talking points sure do seem to benefit the right-wing a lot more than the left.No, they didn't destroy property and such 2017 because the cops made them do itm. Like, you are being ridiculous. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:05:36 PM #418 | LinkMarioSamus posted... BLM rioters destroying public property isn't magically any more acceptable than pro-Trump people storming the Capitol, but how can you even view both with the same weight otherwise without implying disrespect for the US government?What is your weight distribution? How many riots buildings being burned, people dying, assaults, properties damaged, stores looted, etc would you think equals a riot at the capitol? I mean, I don't know... But I do know that crime is crime. Death is death. Vandalism is vandalism. I don't know how to even begin to decide what the line or weight distribution is there's. It's beyond my mind personally. But, I know I denounce it all and wish we didn't have a society that does this shit ever. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 2:01:10 PM #415 | UshiromiyaEva posted... It's only a fair comparison if you are comparing the people who stayed outside.Burning down buildings for your political views is terrorism too. Tossing it under a social message doesn't change that any more than religious nuts blowing up abortion clinics claiming it is religious or a matter of life does in regards to terrorism. It's just justifying it. I agree it was extremely bad and embarrassing, but there is definitely a valid comparison to be made. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:58:56 PM #413 | Jakyl25 posted... Wait arent you doing the same thing right here that youre accusing people on both sides of doing?No. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:57:25 PM #409 | Inviso posted... Another important difference: in 2017, the protests turned violent when the police started unleashing their tear gas and pent up aggression on the crowds, resulting in a retaliatory response. 2021, the police didn't do shit and the protestors still started rioting.That's literally not true. See. Justifying. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:56:52 PM #407 | Mr Lasastryke posted... ...i hope you're not insinuating that systemic racism doesn't exist.Not everyone agrees it does, bud. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:56:25 PM #405 | Jakyl25 posted... I will grant Corrik that its fair to compare the 2017 inauguration riots with the 2021 Capitol riotsCapitol Hill shit was unfathomably despicable. Especially because of the lack of police response. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:53:52 PM #400 | htaeD posted... Even if we assume the two sides have been equally bad (they havent), I still wonder what should the democrats have been self-aware of when 2016s election happened? Did Republicans riot in 2008 and 2012 in a major way.Being able to point out the ridiculousness of the other side is fine when you aren't nonstop defending your ridiculousness as not ridiculous. That's what happens on both sides. They both are justified, just not the other side. BLM looting, arson, riots, etc are okay because I feel like systemic racism exists! https://youtu.be/SCu2gxVZ4E8 DC 2017 is okay because it was a bad person! That's the problem, death. It's okay if you acknowledge your own side is fucked up too. Too many times here it is justified as okay when their side does it. You don't ever see me doing that cuz it would make me a hypocrite. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:48:59 PM #398 | It's why I hate when people say we are in a literal war and you have to choose a side and defend that side. Because everything you guys (not just in this topic but throughout America) always do always reinforces that. Both sides continually do this nonsense where they are right and the other side is wrong in actions when you are both doing the same shit and just repackaging it over and over. You both use different little movements of the argument to explain why the other side was wrong or worse or so on. And, when you point out how dumb it is... Both sides hate your guts. So, I do see why many believe it's a war and you have to choose a side. You have to have extremely thick skin to not sit there and play into that shit. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:42:31 PM #393 | Just read through my texts. When mentioning the riot I get things like... We weren't there to cause violence, just to be heard. What about all the statues they tore down all summer. That's federal damage also. What about the BLM and Antifa protests where they burned buildings, looted stores, assaulted innocent people, and killed people. They cried for 4 years NOT MY PRESIDENT. Merkel denounced the capitol hill event but didn't care during the riots destroying our cities... Washington is still rioting 6 months later. Governor Wolf and others said they were right to riot, walked with them, and encouraged them. How did Trump incite a riot if they didn't? Yadda yadda. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:35:59 PM #390 | ChaosTonyV4 posted... One side: This guys is dangerous and sucks! Im gonna protest to let people know.You gratuitously changed that to be what you wanted. Of course. It's funny watching Republicans change it to what they want also when talking about their own stuff too. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:33:59 PM #389 | kevwaffles posted... If any of us are moving the goalposts, it's because you started with them knocked over in the middle of the field.Nope. It's called not having selective memory! Texas is threatening to secede cuz Trump lost! Republicans are scum! California said the same dumb shit after Trump won. Republicans are threatening to protest the results of the election when certifying! Democrats did in 2016 also, among other years. They won't accept the election and rioted over it! 2017. I mean, at some point realize you can't call the other side exclusively hypocrites. You need to acknowledge your own side. And the same is nonstop for the other side. And they say the exact same thing as you. I can pull conversations with conservatives saying the exact same nonsense as you. Calling Democrats hypocrites nonstop while acting like their side isn't. You both do it and it's literally infuriating watching you both do it. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:23:53 PM #384 | UshiromiyaEva posted... Holy shit how are you real.If you weren't in a relative echo chamber, people would quickly point these things out all the time. You act like your side didn't just spend years crying of Russian collusion and saying you only lost because Comey made Hillary lose and because Russia colluded to help Trump win the election. Your side has spent years stating this. There is nothing funnier than people pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side while not acknowledging their sides own. Both sides are hypocrites. Your side is no better. Like, BUT WE NEVER STORMED THE CAPITOL! and them going BUT WE NEVER LOOTED STORES AND BURNED DOWN BUILDINGS! Like it's dumb. They are both terrible. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:16:49 PM #379 | htaeD posted... How many times are you gonna say this?As many times as people here want to be hypocrites while trying to point out the hypocrisy of the other side. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 1:16:02 PM #378 | kevwaffles posted... Remember when Democrats stormed the Capitol because Hillary repeatedly claimed Russia directly hacked votes and she won the election for real?I do remember when Democrats rioted in DC and destroyed property over the results in 2017, yes. You are acting like your side is absolved because it wasn't exactly the same. It's a dumb moving of the goalposts. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 12:30:24 PM #369 | Mr Lasastryke posted... the funniest thing about is that the people crying about voter fraud are the same people who spent the last four years ridiculing the accusations of russian collusion ("WHEN IN DOUBT, BLAME RUSSIA!"). the lack of self-awareness is amazing.Again. Both sides are hypocrites. The funniest thing is also all the people criticizing them for acting like babies who can't accept things when they themself for 4 years couldn't accept things with Trump being President. These things work both ways, and I am surprised you mention self-awareness when it does cut both ways. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
| Topic | Coronavirus Topic 13: Back to Normal: The Finale: Take 1 |
| Corrik7 01/16/21 9:50:50 AM #140 | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80 --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/16/21 12:31:18 AM #339 | Resisting arrest is always the worst thing you can do and never is going to make the outcome turn out better. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 9:14:51 PM #327 | kevwaffles posted... I'm sure they know exactly why. Doesn't mean they won't bitch disingenuously.Trust me when I say they literally can't figure it out. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 9:07:01 PM #325 | Watching people in my area whine they are blocked on Facebook from posting in groups til January 23rd is hilarious. Like legitimately how can't you figure out why --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 7:17:58 PM #310 | DoomTheGyarados posted... Ah fair enough, I will save it for their death rattle then.You already came. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 4:53:40 PM #293 | Forceful_Dragon posted... Yes, servers being paid $15.00 per hour will result in exactly the same situation as them being paid $2.13 per hour. Everyone will tip the exact same amount and you know this because you are omniscient.Your argument works exactly in reverse. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 4:42:53 PM #290 | https://mobile.twitter.com/JanNWolfe/status/1350186134815580168 --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 4:17:55 PM #285 | UshiromiyaEva posted... However I am against the idea of banning tipping entirely. If you still WANT to tip, why should anyone stop you? I'm literally in the waiting room of Greatclips while typing this, these people get a standard wage, I'm still going to tip $5.Except it's going to lead to exactly where we are now anyways. People will still feel guilted or even drug on social media when they don't. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 1:46:28 PM #249 | This is where heart and mind meet. One is arguing for a utopia. One is arguing based on reality. If every solution is to raise wages across the board, costs go up across the board in that scenario and you are back at square one. If every solution is to just raise wages across the bottom, the middle class is the one that suffers. The problem is that the rich are staying rich in these scenarios every time and we are just choosing whether to keep the poor poor or make even more poor also. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 1:43:37 PM #248 | FFDragon posted... I'm not dressing it up.Now the question is... do you believe that the people arguing for $15/hr minimum wage for tipping jobs are arguing for the removal of tips also? Or do you believe they are arguing for it on top? If you are arguing for it and the removal of tips, then you are arguing to reduce the pays for pretty much every server across the board - and increase in prices. Where as if you are arguing for it plus the tips, then the servers with no college degrees and such are now making more than the vast majority of nurses... The problem is that people in this topic refuse to argue the nuance of this discussion and instead retreat to party line propaganda. EVERYONE DESERVES A LIVING WAGE! (They have it and vastly more, this will get even further for them or you will actually be reducing their wages). And also refuse to acknowledge the pandemic ravaging that industry and what will happen with increasing their expenses at a time like this (more and more local restaurants going under). --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 1:12:03 PM #244 | ResetERA post "When I was working as a waiter (2004 - 2011-ish), hourly wage in PA for tipped workers was $2.70/hr. The last waiting gig I had wasn't fine dining, but a high capacity/high volume bar-and-grille. In peak season (Spring/Summer, the place had a ton of outside seating), I was taking home close to $600 a night after tip-out. There were plenty of occasions where I took home more than that (usually if there was something special going on in the city). I was pretty damn good at my job, the amount I was bringing in was pretty impressive among the staff. That said, there were a handful of people making well more than me, and a group of folks on wait staff that weren't. I was somewhere in the upper-middle. What we ALL had in common though, is that we were all making significantly more than minimum wage. I'm going to be honest; a lot of the conversation taking place in this thread is odd, because it's really not about service workers. A lot of these posts (not all, but a lot) are taking personal preference and centering the experience of the tipper, and dressing it up as "concern for the worker." " --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 1:09:09 PM #243 | https://news.yahoo.com/man-pleads-guilty-drone-hits-061411105.html Am I the only one that finds it weird this was a misdemeanor? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 1:02:49 PM #241 | Ashethan posted... Ahh yes, it's clearly waiters not paying their fair share instead of Billionaires who use tax loopholes and dodge. Those are perfectly fine.Actually, ironically yes, billionaires are paying their fairshares if abusing loopholes and in comparison to people not reporting their income. Like, that 100% is a factual statement. I am surprised you even said something like that based on how foolish it makes you seem. That said, it was one of the biggest criticisms I had of Trump. His election build up in 2016 he spoke about how it made him smart to pay as little as possible on his taxes. He was correct. He would be utterly nonsensically dumb to have paid more than he had to of paid. However, this means he should have been well versed in said loopholes and also have been the one to end them. His failure to end these loopholes was one of his biggest failures. Every President seems to always never want to end these loopholes, which are legal - not reporting your income is not, but none seem to be willing to end the loopholes either. I wonder why... (Hint: Because both parties are out to keep the rich rich.) --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 12:59:07 PM #239 | Forceful_Dragon posted... FD =/= FFDYou both shouldn't be allowed to post in the same topics. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 12:55:41 PM #236 | FFDragon posted... Tipping culture is the worst and anything that gets rid of it is goodI mean, it would be crazy if you didn't have this stance as part of the IRS for obvious tax reasoning lol. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 12:54:15 PM #235 | UshiromiyaEva posted... How come people who are against the $15 minimum wage suddenly start acting like waiters and waitresses are the only job in this country, and refuse to talk about any other jobs?Nobody said anything about the $15 hour minimum wage in regards to it in general. You are shifting goal posts instead of discussing what is in front of you. If you want to talk about that we can as well. Why try to act like they are the same discussion unless being "disingenuous"? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 9:24:43 AM #225 | https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/wife-of-queens-proud-boy-arrested-in-capitol-plot-wants-a-divorce/ Lmfao... talk about trying to cash in. I always doubt these stories like this... (my partner I was married to for years is such a monster after they got caught so I am divorcing them!). Like the Chauvin stuff, where the judge doubts the legitimacy of the divorce even. This woman wants 2 million dollars to get divorced and to try and sue others for even more money? Like, what? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 9:12:42 AM #224 | DoomTheGyarados posted... I would expect a good bartender to make 30 dollars an hour tbhBartending in many rural areas (around me at least) is also ridden with under the table jobs also altogether. You have clubs where they force the bartender to join the club as part of the job and pay their dues, then they are technically "volunteers" that the club compensates with a club tip per hour... lol. Now, when I say many, I mean many. That said, one girl I personally know pissed me off because she is working whenever not shutdown for the pandemic 40 hours a week under the table at $9/hr plus tips on top... while collecting PUA and got a like 15k or some odd backpay check from when she applied to it... and is on social security. She got mad when I said she is committing fraud because she has been convinced by people in my area that this is a proper use of PUA... (I know so many people who took advantage of that system because when it was set up it just approved everyone... and they all are like... I told the truth and it said I was eligible!)... --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 8:48:39 AM #219 | HeroDelTiempo17 posted... starting to sound like if the minimum wage goes up, some jobs should be paid above even the new minimum wageNot going to happen. If it did, the lower class would be in the same position as prior anyways so it would be pointless anyways. And, no job is going to jump by $12/hr to match waitresses anyways, if they retain their tips. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 8:37:21 AM #216 | Samurai7 posted... So do you believe all service industry should work on tips?I mean, I personally am all aboard the make them minimum wage workers and get rid of tips from society forever, and make them accountable to the government for their rightful taxes. I just am not going to package it as me saying I am trying to give them liveable wages when I am actually cutting their pays with the removal of tipping or going to be gungho if tipping remains as is with the wages to pay them more than jobs with high responsibilities to society. That said, I also don't think going about this idea by increasing expenses to a ravaged service industry at this time is the best time for this either. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 8:15:38 AM #214 | PerfectChaosZ posted... Lets screw everyone over because a portion of wait-staff make more in tips on a good night than they would with $15 minimum wage.It's more like, let's screw over almost everyone (in those fields) so the government gets more in taxes ironically. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 7:59:04 AM #212 | ResetERA is ironically actually having an actual debate about this now. It's ironic those extremists can debate some topics fine while some in this topic jumps down someone's throat off the bat. One reply responded with, "As a career bartender, $15 an hour and eliminating tipping would literally more than cut my income in half. Sorry if I'm coming off like an ass, but at that point what becomes my motivation for giving you an exceptional experience if I can go bag groceries for the same pay?" That's the question. Is this actually raising their wages? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 7:24:24 AM #210 | I wanna make it clear, lordofthemorons. It is 40% of tips are estimated unclaimed, not 40% of people are estimated to not fully claim them. Almost everyone claims a portion of them. However, almost everyone also doesn't claim all of their tips also. Part of that indeed is the system. How much of your wages would you claim if we gave you your wages piecemeal throughout the day with no rhyme or reason and asked you to tally what you made at the end of the year. Also, it is purposeful too. I remember my stepmother asking me if this amount sounded like enough to not get audited or this amount or etc. (She was making easily 35+/hr as a cocktail waitress.). I said you know you are supposed to claim them all right? She said how do you expect me to know how much it was... If you tell me a single girl there knows how much they got in tips, they are a liar. She did get audited too lol much to her chagrin and ended up owing based on average cocktail waitress salaries (because they themself couldn't figure out what it would really be). So, yes, you would say this would be a better system to eliminate that, especially inadvertent underreporting. But, it isn't benefiting the honest and punishing the dishonest. It is punishing pretty much the entire field across the board if it results in no tipping because it's a pay cut. Also it results in increased costs to the consumer, cut hours and/or eliminated jobs... All during a pandemic ravaging the industry. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 4:22:34 AM #206 | LordoftheMorons posted... People getting paid more/less based on being dishonest/honest about paying taxes on their tips is not great. Fixing it (so that the honest ones get paid more even if the dishonest ones end up making less) seems a lot more like a feature than a bug tbqh!Then be clear about what you want. You don't want more wages for waitresses. You want more taxable income accounted for to generate taxes. If that's your goal, then so be it. This will work for that. (Though I doubt tipping ever goes away and you just essentially made waitresses making on par if not more than a lot of nurses when they still continue to not report most of their tips on top of this minimum wage). --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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| Corrik7 01/15/21 4:01:42 AM #204 | red sox 777 posted... Corrik, do you have evidence for the claim that waitresses typically make $30/hr inclusive of tips?I said 25 on average now. I said they will make $30/hr if you take their current wages and add $11-$12 more an hour to it. I have never met a waitress that makes less than $20/hr when averaged out no matter how shitty the restaurant was. Sure they have bad days sometimes, but it averages out with the good days. And, yes, they ALWAYS bitch about the minimum wage laws and say how they are filing federal lawsuits for not being made whole on minimum wage, then when pointing out it is their average for their paycheck and that they made way more than it when they show they break down their pays, despite their one or two lousy days... They lose their shit about it. Averaging out everyone I have ever talked to, it is about $25/hr... And that's not accounting for the fact that waitresses tend to not claim all their tips. It is why they hate typically when people pay with cards a lot. Because 1. They don't get their tips right away. And 2. Their tips are guaranteed to get taxed this way. I think the IRS estimates 40% of go unclaimed, which is why it is hard to get an accurate number on what the average salaries are. I know a lot of people who claim just as much tips as they think won't generate a red flag on their taxes. And untaxed money is worth more than taxed money, obviously. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-much-do-waiters-really-earn-in-tips/385515/ This leaves you with just an estimate on what is reported in tips. Which is going to be severely lower than actual. The biggest benefit to getting rid of tipping in America would be for the IRS to get more taxable revenue in. The end game though is much, much lower incomes for waitresses if this change would happen. You think they are helping them out when they are actually hurting them by taking money from them, expected jobs being lost, prices rising to consumers, and again... All during a pandemic ravaging the industry. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) |
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