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https://twitter.com/nikkihaley/status/1350472323418251266?s=21

Thanks for the good news Nikki!

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Corrik7 posted...

White people have been slaves in the past. Obviously It is immaterial though. The poor African-Americans today have not been literally slaves. They are poor African-Americans. Same as poor Americans of any race. It isn't any more fair they are poor than it is fair that another American of any race is poor. Neither of them did anything to deserve what they were born into. Just like someone did not deserve to be born rich either and have that head start. It is why we should eliminate this via a better taxing of estates upon death.

What caused you to possibly be poor has no matter on the fact that you were born poor. It sucks regardless of the reasons.

lol


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Corrik7 posted...

I ain't going to waste my time debating it with yinz again. We already know where we stand on it. You think color of skin is the issue. I say economics. Is what it is.

What if I told you about this radical idea that both of those things are connected?

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Corrik7 posted...

Not everyone agrees it does, bud.

Not everyone agrees the Earth is round, so what

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One side: This guys is dangerous and sucks! Im gonna protest to let people know.

The other side: Our guys election was LITERALLY STOLEN, we have to KILL elected officials including his own Vice President until they overturn the election!

Corrik: Theyre the same people.

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https://twitter.com/kept_simple/status/1350498558923960328?s=21

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Corrik7 posted...

I do remember when Democrats rioted in DC and destroyed property over the results in 2017, yes. You are acting like your side is absolved because it wasn't exactly the same. It's a dumb moving of the goalposts.

Youre referring to the time protesters were met with overwhelming force, riot police, the whole deal?

You think thats the same as what happened on the 6th?

Do you really? Or are you just sea lioning?

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DeepsPraw posted...

Once theory I've read that seems kind of plausible is that Red Ventures slashed wages or benefits in such a way to make continued employment untenable. Would explain why the recent departures feel like layoffs without actually being such. Although it does sound like Ben has something else lined up, but is being really cagey about saying what it is for some reason

He pretty clearly said his reason for leaving is he wants out of the spotlight, lol so the reason is that.

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https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1350209184986370048?s=21

The absolute incoherence...I just

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Lmfao, incredible.

Garrison-related (maybe literally??), I do IT for a massive car dealership chain, and I was in a finance guys office today and he had a bobble head of Trump, with bulging muscles and boxing gloveslooked straight out of a Ben Garrison comic.

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Jakyl25 posted...

The one we were talking about an hour ago, jeez you people and blocking each other and then getting confused when other people have discussions with them is the worst. Not saying its your fault, I dont know who blocked whom, but please realize that when youre confused that may be a source of the confusion.

I dont block people for the same reason its lame to get blocked, half a page about a Garrison cartoon I cant see.

but yeah, Im certain its whatever was posted on 272, Im just asking which Garrison cartoon.


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Which Garrison cartoon?

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Corrik7 posted...

Now the question is... do you believe that the people arguing for $15/hr minimum wage for tipping jobs are arguing for the removal of tips also? Or do you believe they are arguing for it on top? If you are arguing for it and the removal of tips, then you are arguing to reduce the pays for pretty much every server across the board - and increase in prices. Where as if you are arguing for it plus the tips, then the servers with no college degrees and such are now making more than the vast majority of nurses...

I dont know if Id say vast majority, but yes, nurses should make more.

Also I dont think anyone is saying raise servers wages and BAN tipping, theyre saying itd be nice if employers paid servers their wages and customers could tip if they feel their service deserved it, rather than what we have now wheres its basically compulsory.


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Corrik7 posted...

I have zero doubt despite the amount of globalists in your party that Biden still doesn't make policy for the entire world outside of the United States and a discussion about Biden's policies is in reference to what he can make policies for.

Corrik, I brought it up to say If waitstaff make a living wage, then they wont NEED to rely on tips, which is how it is in most of the world.

Most of the world that accept tips treat them like bonuses, while some countries treat tips as insulting.

In America weve managed to turn tips into how waitstaff pay the rent, so their bosses dont have to pay them.

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The intentional phrasing of this is so jarringly different from literally any other tweet or speech hes given about it that I actually laughed so hard I cant even be mad.

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1349900088299188225?s=21

I did see part of the package is a $3000 per kid childcare tax credit, and as a father of two toddlers, daddy likey lmao


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Corrik7 posted...

Wants $15 minimum wage and to abolish the lower tipping jobs minimjm wages. Holy fuck. It's gonna cost $40 a meal at restaurants if that happens.

Waitresses become easily the highest earning jobs in my entire area. They make like $25/hr now after tips. You are basically adding $12/hr to their wages.

Uh, no, you just stop tipping?

Most of the world doesnt tip.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

This.
I approve of democrats leveraging their position to get more and I wish them every success.

Not to belabor the point any further, but the Democrats have no history of leveraging their position to get more, and its up to the loud left and the malleable Squad caucus to nudge them into doing what we deserve.

masterplum posted...

I would like higher individual income taxes to accompany $2000 checks >_>

If you mean income limits <_< I agree

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I used to get RE.NET emails like every other day, but I dont remember if Im an ambassador or whatever.

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Im sorry you feel that way.

Anyway

https://twitter.com/pramilajayapal/status/1349845246029537282?s=21

Thats another Congressperson for $2000 checks.

If we end up getting them, thats a tangible benefit to complaining about Democrats. Instead of bitching at me...join me, brother


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KamikazePotato posted...

You are easily the most negative person in this topic series and that's saying something.

If someone links me to a post where I ever said Fuck you lib bitches Ill close my account.

It didnt happen.

Also yeah Im negative, lol our country sucks shit. Have you seen who we elected as our President?

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Ok so I got mine early but before it was issued?


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You literally work at the IRS, so explain how tweets dated in January are before the stimulus was being issued when I got mine on December 31st?



Forceful_Dragon posted...

And your proof for this is a couple tweets from BEFORE the $600 checks even started being issued?

Not to mention many people had issues that prevented them from receiving their direct deposit on the 4th and they will be lucky to receive EIP#2 before being forced to claim it on the 2020 taxes just to get it at all.

Stop making your lack of reading comprehension our problem.

And yes AOC is pivoting from 1400 to 2000 but not in a way inconsistent with the message that was previously being presented.

So unless your job also currently resolves around stimulus payments I'm done discussing this.

Id like you to stop being done discussing this and explain how you could be so wildly wrong while also being so condescending, thanks.

Jesus Christ, I dont even know WHY this post was so disrespectful. Work stress got you down my guy?

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StealThisSheen posted...

Like, if you haven't noticed, there's a lot of shit going on that people are hoping to just get through and hopefully move on to something better

And yet you mostly ignore it and every few days drive a truck through the door and practically yell "HEY LIB BITCHES LOOK AT THIS AND FUCK YOU"

And nobody really has patience for any shit anymore

I literally didnt do any of this, is there a phantom poster that you MI are seeing that isnt there? I dont think Ive called anyone a Lib ever in any of these topics (maybe LOTM tbh, because hes textbook I mean come on lol), you guys are once again projecting some shit onto that isnt real. MI at the top of this page said I screamed in defense of assault rifle lmao??? Why are you guys making shit up?

Just because, I just went back ONE topic, and my first post was saying Charge insurrectionists and any connections with sedition and obliterate them the way the GOP did Acorn for a million times less, my next was just a response to someone else, and my next three were about Wang being Tim Pool.

I dont know what to tell you.

Im sorry my the Dems should be better or god dammit why posts seem so memorable to you that youre tired of them, but these FUCK YOU LIB BITCHES posts are in your head.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

True, but I already snapped!

I literally want Prohibition 2 Electric Boogaloo, the banning of cigarettes, and for the 2nd amendment to be repealed. I'm the liberal that shitty conservative cartoonists wrote about.

Thankfully I push all that shit down and don't even pretend it's remotely viable.

oh so you didnt learn anything from Prohibition and proudly want it to happen again, sick thing to admit

For the record, I dont smoke, I drink on holidays only sometimes, and I think it should be illegal for kids to have or be given...but also, I understand human nature, and banning shit people can make/get on the black market literally just creates crime.

It makes no sense. Party of science, remember?

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StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think anybody is arguing that it CAN'T be misleading if literally all anybody heard was "$2000 check" and they didn't pay attention to anything else.

You're getting pushback because you tried to make this another one of your gotcha moments that you're obsessed with making every other day in these topics and everybody's sorta tired of it.

Dont make me tap the tweet again.

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https://twitter.com/haltman/status/1349858161423998976?s=21

Thats an incredible amount of troops.

I live in between two Air Force bases with 8000 troops each, and there are like 4 chow halls and so many more facilities for them.

Its gonna be mayhem, and fuck, sucks to be them sleeping on floors and shit.

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I dont know why you guys dont understand that once the $600 check went out the door, sticking with the phrase We will get you $2000 checks would be misleading AT BEST.

How long until you think we get the next check, a month? Is it the next stimulus, or is it an Amendment to a check that came a month prior?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I don't think you're leaning republican now other than guns, I think you're going to snap one day.

lmao bruh moment

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These checks must be the ones theyre sending to people who didnt get the $600.

I dont get why people cant just admit the messaging was mixed, possibly intentionally, and the tweet I shared earlier of Zero Pinocchios, maximum frustration was dead on the money and we can move on from this.

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I think most of this boils down to people stuck in a rigid political alignment where gun means right, and where there only exist Good Liberals, Less Good Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists.

LtM calling me both a future Republican and also assuming I identified as a Liberal still has me thrown for a loop.

How can you be in this topic so long and not know theres more to this shit than that?

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In fairness, I do and DID think it was extremely obvious $2000 meant total, until the $600 went out and they kept literally saying the words We will get you $2000 checks.

In extremely related, NOT anti-Dem, and funny news, apparently Ben Shapiro is doing some weird telethon broadcast of a Conservative movie called Take Back the Culture, and I guess I wonder why hed feel the need to show a Conservative movie OR Take Back the Culture when our movies and culture are already Conservative?

https://twitter.com/intothecrevasse/status/1349873489239535620?s=21

Its funny because this shit looks exactly like On Cinema.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

tony said last topic...

as someone who doesn't mind your anti-dem posts, i'll say that i'm pretty sure the vast majority of us hate the dems, with exceptions being LotM (obviously) and suprak (maybe). the amount of people here who think the dems are good enough is minuscule.

before you reply "but if that's the case why is everyone bashing me for making anti-dem posts lol," that's probably because that's pretty much all you talk about, like LTM pointed out. it annoys people in the same way that people get annoyed that metal_dk posts about nothing about the casual revolution sucking (even if he may have a point in there).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79223743/949256547

Very first old topic I clicked, made last week.

I make plenty of anti-Trump posts too, but because literally everyone is making them they get missed.

Not everyone is calling out, or even wants to call out, issues with the Dems.

Im not going to apologize for criticizing a shitty party just because their opponents are shittier.

My frustration/confusion lies in the seemingly total unwillingness to actually have a discussion or admit yeah, I wish Democrats would do better.

Like, I think it was Inviso literally made half a nice post understanding the point like Yeah, a full $2000 would be better, and probably more etc before reverting to the lol nobody thought $2000 checks meant actual $2000 checks (fact check: type 2000 into Twitter and tell me no one did)

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1349869510996750337?s=21

Quote: 2000 means 2000, 2000 does not mean 1400. - AOC

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I mean he also covers his ears and screams when we point out we're talking assault rifles which those guys didn't know were a thing so

Im addressing this first so it doesnt get lost, and Id hope someone else can back me up.

Literally none of this is fucking true, what the fuck are you talking about? Not only did I not defend assault rifles ONCE, I literally said Id be ok with banning automatic weapons.

Explain yourself.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

this is such a weird talking point of yours. you're seriously arguing "marx and engels were pro-gun so guns are leftist"? i can just as easily say "ron paul is pro-gun so guns are libertarian." name-dropping famous dudes and saying "see? this proves everything!" is not a valid way of arguing.

Im bringing it up to show the pointlessness of the attack Tonys view on guns aligns with the far right!!

It doesnt, first of all, and secondly, if my view aligns with anyone on the Right and KARL MARX, whats the point of the attack? Specifically, what is the goal? Because it doesnt actually mean anything, especially when you make shit up out of thin air.

I literally just said guns, and then someone (I think SEP) said assault weapons makes you Right Wing, and I quipped Yeah like Karl Marx, and then three other people decided all of a sudden I was actively defending assault rifles, despite never once actually doing that.

Its so stupid.


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HashtagSEP posted...

Okay but what does that have to do with assault weapons

For the record, you guys brought them up, not me.

Define Assault Weapon.

I'd be perfectly fine if we obliterated the existence of fully automatic weapons, and banning them from civilian ownership is fine with me as long as they ban them from cops too.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Australia did it.

Setting aside that their gun ownership levels have never been as high as ours, I'll give you that.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/more-guns-in-australia-now-than-before-the-port-arthur-massacre-report-20190327-p5188m.html

Except apparently it didn't stick!

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Far right wingers without guns are much less scary than far right wingers with guns.

That's a nice fantasy, not sure why you think it's possible without an unbelievable amount of bloodshed.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Nobody's seriously calling you Alt Right. They're just pointing out that you hold a few stances of the right. Just because you're left doesn't mean literally every stance you hold is automatically left. Things like glorification of guns and supporting ownership of assault weapons are hard right ideals. Doesn't mean you, yourself, are, but there's no point in denying it about the stances themselves.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

Also just from a common sense perspective, if you think far right wingers with guns are scary (they are), and that they're a threat to human lives and democracy (they are), and you think the police are on their side (they are), then why would you think the superior position is to have no guns? Just doesn't make sense to me.


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Espeon posted...

Progressivism. Easy. Same word.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

No civilian should own an assault weapon under any circumstance.

I don't even know how anybody who claims to be a liberal could think otherwise.

Would it blow your mind to know there's more than one "team"?

Also I'm still waiting on @Espeon to define Liberalism.

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Me and Karl Marx, historic Alt Right hero.

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Leafeon13N posted...

Tony likes to pretend this is false because he's hard right on guns.

No, I'm not.

"I disagree with Tony, he must be Republican!"
"I disagree with Tony, he must be hard right!"

Your horseshoe theory bullshit is fucking killing me.

Literally Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels supported gun ownership for the proletariat.

I think common sense gun laws make perfect sense, but there's no reason to (setting aside that it's impossible at this point) to ban them.

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KamikazePotato posted...

I really don't think you get the difference between media and culture

Most media creators are left-wing, and most audiences eat up left-wing themes and aesops. Then those audiences turn around and act conservative and vote conservative. Star Wars is massively popular but the vast majority of its audiences are, for example, incapable of realizing that in a real-life analogue America would be the evil empire.

I've already established, and as far as I know, no one in this topic disagrees, our government STRUCTURE is setup to be Conservative.

It's baked in, the politics look far more Conservative than they are because small states with 500,000 people have as much political power as states with 10's of millions.

Also I think you're wrong about the last part.

The Left, and most Liberals probably definitely understand the US is the Evil Empire, see basically any music that mentions the government, most TV and movies show the Government as a big bad in the way of the hero, etc, indeed, many Conservatives also understand it and in their case--they revel in it.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

one million cop shows, Call of Duty

a bunch of the really mainstream stuff our culture produces is conservative. All the cool award winner stuff tends to be more liberal oriented, but even within that we have like American Sniper sometimes

Ok we have to establish this right now or the discussion is going nowhere: If you think the existence of guns or military in something means its inherently "Conservative", well uh I guess we're not going to have a productive conversation, because you're arguing every leader on Earth who isn't actively dismantling their military while also banning guns is Conservative, and words have no meaning in that discussion.


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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Let me see if I can clear up cleanly.

Out media production is conservative.

The creators (sometimes) and social media teams for said media are liberal.

A small bubble example; everytime there's a gay kiss in a cartoon? The story is never from the creator is never that it was always going to happen or that it was encouraged, it's that they fought/convinced/demanded they be allowed to include it, and successed. Sometimes they don't, and we get things like Korra where they only got to do it because they were forced to move the show off of TV and to web premiers only.

Your counterfactual is an anecdote from a cartoon that ended in 2014.

Lets stick with this: Show me Conservative cartoons. If the majority are, it shouldn't be that hard.

Also how is "media production Conservative"?

Do you guys think that only Conservatives try to make money?

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Leafeon13N posted...

I dont even Know what you are trying to argue here.

what is this response

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Leafeon13N posted...

Our media and culture is not liberal at all.

What the hell.

It absolutely is. When is the last time a "Conservative" movie has hit it big? Who is your favorite Conservative musician? Comedian? What's your favorite Conservative TV show? Video game?

Why do you think the Right is so insecure? They know "Liberals" own the arts and media, so what makes you think otherwise?

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Espeon posted...

I didnt ask you to define liberalism. I asked you to define conservatism. What do you say separates liberalism from conservatism, if your definition of liberalism is my definition of conservatism?

Dude, what is your definition of Liberalism?

At its simplest definition, Conservatism is about preservation of the status quo and support of "personal liberty" with absolutely no regard for the side effects or results of those decisions.

The limits of individual freedom in a Conservative's mind are only for things that are themselves anti-Conservative, which is based on the the single absolute Conservative core value, which is fear. This inspires 99% of the acts they take which are seen as dissonant to individual freedom, but are really just acts of self-preservation of Conservatism.

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My dude, what do you think Liberalism is?

Liberalism is not anti-free market, anti-religious, or against self-interest.

You seem to be defacto arguing that Joe Biden, Obama, Hillary, Bill, etc are all Conservatives, which makes our years of posting in this topic series just wildly confusing considering how many times you've gotten SO SO mad at me for comparing Democrats to Republicans.


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Espeon posted...

Tony managing to hit the glorifies guns AND extreme self-interest points of conservatism at the same time.

Additionally, I should point out that we, as a society, are extremely capitalist and extremely religious (specifically Christian). Both of these conservative traits come together to form the Christmas shopping season.

This is literally Liberalism.


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KamikazePotato posted...

American culture is extremely conservative and I'm baffled that anyone would say otherwise

Based on what??

Also "guns" aren't conservative any more than "free speech" is conservative.

They're things that the Liberals have let Conservatives claim, but those aren't inherently conservative.

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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