Lurker > htaeD

Would be weird for a scum chris to go after a ??? red day one with nothing but 'well from my town perspective' arguments.

wouldnt a scum Chris know what a ???red is?
---

IGN: Pandora

I just had to check, and no I dont see you refuting her anywhere, so that fits.
Dont see an explanation for the things she didnt like about you either though...unless I missed it.
---

IGN: Pandora

Wait, you agree that Lea made a good post about you???
---

IGN: Pandora

Anyway I wanted to go back to topic1 to see who started the idea that DYL might have faked watching the video, and as far as I can see that was Plum.
But he seemed to be stating a hypothetical scenario (with scumDYL pretending to watch the video) rather than an assumption that DYL did in fact fake it.
Still a bit curious that Plum urged people to watch the video for fun, but I cant see a defensive connection between the two anymore when I thought there was one before.

I apologize for this brief detour back into videoland. I just had to get it off my chest.
---

IGN: Pandora

Sorry about that, thats what happens when I start reading from the point where I left off instead of refreshing my memory on what happened before that.
---

IGN: Pandora

Btw Suprak
use the Mafia tag please!
---

IGN: Pandora

Isnt that exactly the kind of talk Qanons believe?
---

IGN: Pandora

Lea makes for a good case against Han. I also don't think DYL would vote a teammate like that and DYL is impressing me a bit with him staying focused on Han.

When I saw the votals up top, I got a case of deja vu. Since its not the first time Chris went after Red.
So I am surprised to see it was Plum who got the Redtrain started technically. (failing apparently because he forgot to unvote Dowolf)
At the same time though he complains about Han getting voted day1, which just makes me want to ask how many players he does not want to touch day1.

IGCD, Boko and PJ both trying to post again after getting called out is funny, but sadly in character for 2 of them. And Boko I can excuse (for now) due to his line of work.
Aecioo definitely has catching up to do. And Banananananananor is hard to read, but what few posts he makes I at least find charming.

PJ calling out red comes out of nowhere too and Red overreacts to his vote I'd say. And others seem to feel the same way. That said, IGCDs vote is the worst out of that bunch. I disagree that this vote is the same as his vote on DYL. Because that was a page1 jokevote last time I checked, and of course Red would react more to a vote on him.
What I am curious about is why Red does not talk to Chris about his vote. The big Chris/Red feud I remember had Red raging up a storm about Chris being scum for doing it. Red can say that Chris is not giving him something to respond to, but I expect him to fight back anyway.

Honestly Hans vote on Red is not that great either, it reads like he's trying to take advantage of this new movement. Adding not so serious justifications (red is scum 98 % of the time) does not help. At least he does serve up more reasons later, but he could have started with those.

At this point I also feel like Scare is trying to distract from both lynches, or at the very least seems to want to help red stay alive. But then he is so blatant about it, I cant really see it as suspicious activity and more just Scare playing to his preferences.
---

IGN: Pandora

dowolf posted...

I really didn't like the vote on Plum.

Figured as much.
Though I cant say Plum didnt deserve a little admonishment for his stance.
---

IGN: Pandora

That does remind me that I would like dowolf to clarify why he voted HB.
I can guess, but reading is better.
---

IGN: Pandora

I got off work at 5. -_-

Oh. Owch.
Should have assumed the absence was workrelated.
---

IGN: Pandora

Oh, another reactionvote.
...Well at least I can buy you/Ben doing that.
---

IGN: Pandora

MysteriousStan posted...

You did kind of scummon him, Death. What had you wary of Ben, Death?

Scummons are not as good as they used to be, but I kinda did. Didn't I?
Also I explained that in the post but it was the way he tried to laugh off Crescent here and there. It was not enough for me to call him scum, but things are beginning to add up.

Dark Young Link posted...

What?
Aggressive is literally my playstyle.

If so then let me say in my defense. It's been a while.
And if its also true that Scare has done this to you before, I can understand the aggression's focus.
I wish you did remember which game that was tho.
---

IGN: Pandora

Day is not over yet, Ben.
And hey I want this alliance to work too!
But I wouldn't want to let it get in the way of Town, if it came down to that. If you get my drift.
---

IGN: Pandora

I also feel like you like to slide into the background often.
---

IGN: Pandora

PunishedBen posted...

There's one too many assumptions here though and it doesn't make sense to me. Explain your thought process for making the post you made - because you say my lazy vote made you like Scare more as town, which means you had me flagged as scum. But you say the reason you think I'm scummy is because of my lazy vote on Scare. . So what came first?

But I didn't say that was the reason?
I was already wary of you before that vote because of you dealt with Crescents suspicion.
---

IGN: Pandora

Dark Young Link posted...

So Death, are you saying that you view Scare as town?

I wouldn't go that far, I am 50/50
His gambit is a nultell to me, but there are still some things that bother me like him talking as if his read on Lea was made up after the fact.
But thats all minor in the grand scheme of things, and his explanations for the quibbles are possible.
Basically I would lynch Ben over him right now. As for you. I cant get a bead on you because I dont remember you having this much.. well.. aggression.
---

IGN: Pandora

PunishedBen posted...

Why does me voting Scare make you a fan of Scare?

Optics.
Okay it may be a bit too black/white to assume scum would only lazily drop votes down on town.
But I still dont like your vote
---

IGN: Pandora

I just want to hear these two talk.
---

IGN: Pandora

@IfGodCouldDie

Welp, the shots are fired
---

IGN: Pandora

I'd @ them, but I am not sure if thats considered rude nowadays.
---

IGN: Pandora

Oh yeah Han also fits in the 'wait, he does exist?' category.

Maybe he will respond now that we have invoked his name thrice.
---

IGN: Pandora

Oh, a topic1 page1 vote.
Never mind. Dont think he posted much after tho
---

IGN: Pandora

Ben sure got quiet again
(Granted, so did most of the players. But still)
Not a fan of his vote on Scare either, which I guess makes me more of a fan of Scare

As for the other votes.... wait...
IGCD did something?
---

IGN: Pandora

scumChris has been somewhat of a supporting force for partners in the past, helping them break free from pressure and mentoring them from behind the curtains.
But he would be more subtle about it.
At least thats how I experienced it when we were scum together.
In hindsight I should really memorize more data from other scumchris games.
---

IGN: Pandora

Mind expounding on that Ben?
...
(Expounding is a real word, right?)
---

IGN: Pandora

I had my own embarrassing GOT related fakeclaim tho..
poor poor fake Tyrion, stabbed to death by Bronn himself.
---

IGN: Pandora

ScareChan posted...

425, Death

Wel my face is red
---

IGN: Pandora

ScareChan posted...

Yeah this is the second time you've come to defend this buddying claim now like this. It makes it look worse imo!

I didnt see you responding the first time, so I figured I could repeat myself too.
Why let a misconception hang around is my motto.
---

IGN: Pandora

Though I appreciate the read explanations elsewhere at least.
But DYL was not one of them on page 6. You called red town instead.
---

IGN: Pandora

Again, Scare, I was just being nice to Dowolf. (and curious)
It was early, he didnt even talk about mafia stuff.
---

IGN: Pandora

Uh...
I am not sick.
Though if this is what I think it is, I dont think anyone will come forward.
---

IGN: Pandora

I am starting to remember you saying stuff like this before.

But do you still not have an opinion on DYL?
---

IGN: Pandora

What a Corrik thing to say.
---

IGN: Pandora

DYLs reaction feels a bit over the top for me, though he is mostly right in that I have no idea what Scare is talking about.
He sorta gave more on me, but that didn't clear up much.

I also entirely disagree with your reasoning on why you dont want DYL to be voted/lynched, Plum.
I mean yes it can be unfun to always get lynched, but that shouldnt completely influence the way we read or treat a player.
Also if you didnt think DYL was town, why did you say 'I dont like mislynches?'
---

IGN: Pandora

Fastbreak posted...

Everyone saw it. Your post was rigged and everyone knows it

Are you claiming trump then?
---

IGN: Pandora

What?
That stuff about the cardinals?
I just like being a nice guy.
---

IGN: Pandora

masterplum posted...

Or you know, I don't like mislynches

Yeah but.. Who does? (besides scum that is, but they wouldnt say that out loud)
I mean, going by your post you could say scumDYL gets lynched just as often as townDYL
---

IGN: Pandora

Ben, what are you saying here?
---

IGN: Pandora

Crescent-Moon posted...

Because it fits in line with the soft defense he already put up, that's why it reminded me.

Yeah but you didnt draw your own conclusions right awayand you still havent put it down in words.
Your post doesnt really distinguish between town or scumDYL
---

IGN: Pandora

Not always.
But why bring that up?
---

IGN: Pandora

Crescent-Moon posted...

I wouldn't say he flat out said it though he hinted at turning it into a more serious point.

This was right around the time when I voted Ben.

Yeah it seems more like everyone else saw it that way, which is where I got the feeling from
---

IGN: Pandora

Crescent-Moon posted...

To elaborate, I originally read it that he said he was going to tell everyone he forgot. I put the statements together when I probably shouldn't have.

But you just pinpointed a problem I always had in his responses. Ben's either spent his time trying to placate me or distance himself from the seriousness of the push he made.

Gotcha.
But I agree on the second point.
Though weirdly that also applies to DYL the more I look at it. I dont really buy that he posted about the video to draw reactions.
---

IGN: Pandora

...
why am I talking as if Boko is always serious?
I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
---

IGN: Pandora

He's Scarechan.
I dont remember if you two met tho.
---

IGN: Pandora

PunishedBen posted...

Damn, Death. Well, you can say whatever you want about me as long as you never vote me I guess. Though I assume that means below statement meant nothing when you said it?

That was clearly a Joke, Ben.
I mean I appreciate the offer of the alliance, but you promised me that in the signup topic already so I cant read too much into it.
---

IGN: Pandora

Calintares posted...

I love what they did with Ahead on your Way, but I'm sad that it's only used once in a very tiny section.

I imagine they cant use tracks like that more until they actually get to Kalm. (Much like they only teased Reds theme so far)

Still sad that like 50 tracks werent on the official soundtrack release.
---

IGN: Pandora

Well we havent had a 2nd topic yet, so the pace seems okay for now.
Good luck with everything, Boko.
---

IGN: Pandora

Hello Boko! Any thoughts so far?
---

IGN: Pandora

I wont.
---

IGN: Pandora