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masterplum posted...

Can you explain what your opinion was and what it changed to

My opinion was that Red overreacted to PJbasis, and that he should have gone more heavily against Chris for the vote. I started losing confidence in these tells (to call them that) because red explained the latter. And I am not 100 % sure on the former either since it was an odd PJ serious post in a sea of less serious PJmatter
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MajinZidane posted...

This is my favorite comment from Death:

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Shoot, sorry for coming back I'll stay away next time! I apologize!

I didnt mean to be rude.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

You were pretty adamant about an hour or two ago and have given no reason to no longer be.

I explained why the very next post after the one you quoted!
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Death is almost always there when it's an 8pm Eastern deadline.

Unless I have a Zoom meeting in the next morning
But yeah
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Also on Death: Death countered me earlier by saying it was obvious he was planning to go after Red (which is wasn't), but laid the seeds to change his vote.

You are talking about two very different time periods here!
My opinions can change over time!
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Crescent-Moon posted...

You are incorrect.

I already summed up people who mentioned Aecioo for later.

Han, Red, Lea, and Me. Three of the four people to give him any meaningful suspicion were voting for him.

To say you like me and Lea, but think Aecioo is a diversion, holds no water.

I am pretty sure Aecioo was mentioned many times before by other players.
I cant really explain it well, it just came across to me like an Aecioo train would be a distraction. Partially because I felt his absence could be explainable.
But you are right, it doesnt seem to be an intentionally planned diversion, and I imagined more people talking about him in this hour than there really were.
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Btw, it took me a while to notice it, but DYL not revoting Han immediately after pointing it out is pretty darn bad. (And Stan mentioned it first anyway, so I agree with him)
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MysteriousStan posted...

This would imply you don't like the people on Aecioo then correct?

The problem is I do like Lea and Crescent, they feel generally active, unaffraid and pursuing. And this doesnt outweigh that...
Reds vote I cant really count against him when he is lynchleader (and he was the last of three), other than it being odd but also admirable that he is not voting DYL to save himself.
It feels more like Aecioo was always saved for a rainy day diversion, but never touched upon until just now...
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MysteriousStan posted...

Simply because of his foot or for other reasons, Death?

No not because of his foot. More because I get a general sense that Aecioo is being propped up as a diversion
And I confess my reluctance to lynch someone who may not be able to show up is a factor here too.

(not so much with DYL, since he had plenty of chances to do something about the suspicion on him)
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To be more clear about why
Red gave a decent enough explanation for why he avoided the Chris mess and I cannot deny that he may have lost the heart, yet I still think a townred should have and would fought back more. And that leaves me torn. Hence the re-reading
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I have in fact lost the lean on Red since I keep secondguessing myself as usual, and DYLs absense is becoming the stronger force in my mind.
And I keep getting sidetracked from my proper catchup, so I will have to get back to you on that.

Not Aecioo, thats for sure.
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PunishedBen posted...

Death, why the vote and unvote of Aecioo?

That was a joke reaction to Lea's own joke.
To be clear, I cannot disagree that he hasnt made much use with the time he had, but I would @Aecioo more than anything right now.
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Huh
HB's repeating the DYL scumwall argument that DYL already denied.
I didnt think his first wall was even that big or bad either, I've made longer one this very game.
HB, is that your opinion? Can you point me to a scumDYL game?
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I may just not know what its like to have a fractured foot.
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Hbthebattle posted...

He also said the fracture would make him MORE active, which has not been true.

Aecioo also said he'd be gone for 30 minutes at a time sporadically.
Granted, he was gone for longer than 030 minutes, but broken feet dont cooperate often.
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Aecioo did say he fractured his foot.
So I think we can cut him some slack, just a little.
Depending on when the fracturing happened.
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No wait!

##Vote: Aecioo
##Unvote

Loophole powers!
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Leanansidhe posted...

Death, Chris told me to tell you to vote Aecioo. In fact, he used a secret basketball power that will make your most magical dreams come true if Aecioo is lynched and is scum!

Pressing F to doubt here
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I will say its weird to see DYL leave just when the votes start falling on him, and he himself switches to Dowolf instead of Red. Thats kinda suicidal and fills me with the annoying thought of 'would he do that as scum?'
One reason I can think of is he is trying to distance dowolf from him.
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Fastbreak posted...

I still think death goes before dowolf

I'd hope this is not still about the dowolfthing
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Chris if you want to spring your trap or anything, now would be a good time!
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On the other hand that probably doesnt mean anything that PJ did, and it made me sorta impressed with him at that. It was just surprising.
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I can grant red one thing. And I already mentioned this before, but I still dont really know why PJ talked about red at that point in time. Red hadnt posted in over an hour and nobody else was bringing him up.
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Crescent does have a point though, my suspicion of Red was not as high as I would like suspicion to be when I start making my votes.
But there's still time to look things over.
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red13n posted...

weird?

Hes known to just not post on day.

He does post enough to survive usually.
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Fastbreak posted...

Worst alliance

I wish we were actually masons.
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I just felt it sounded a bit too serious/muderous when PJbasis is known to weird on day1.
Though the argument about you being a hypocrite with the DYL vote was unfounded, and I did sense some genuine anger there.
But genuine anger can still be a scumtrait.
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That does remind me that I have forgotten to keep track of what Ben's been doing.
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Well I don't know either.

But at the time I did think Han could scum for what Lea said too
It was a bit complicated for me since red gave me less to work with, but made a stronger impression in short bursts.. if that makes sense. Then Han explained one thing (which was a bad read from me anyway), and that left me with less suspicion of him.
When I talked about Red overreacting to PJ, I meant that as an indictment of him too.
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red13n posted...

Wasn't much of a feud to be had, tbh. I wasn't sure if chris was up to something or not, or if the vote was even serious. He honestly hasn't been engaged at all and the vote didn't feel like it had real teeth so part of me honestly assumed he was just messing around. Chris loves "traps" and stuff so I was thinking it was definitely him just messing around. And then after that, well, he hasn't even been here.

I was comparing it to the great fight you had in one of the 2019 games, I forget which.
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(also it took me a while to notice the quote got messed up)
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Okay I may have been a bit too coy with my wording there
But why would that imply anything other than me thinking red was scum for doing that
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I will definitely say though, there is nothing that that suggests that you were leaning towards voting Red.

Thats my fault then for not making that clearer earlier. But I feel I made no secret of my suspicion on him or the fact that my suspicion of Han was waning.
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Leanansidhe posted...

You around for the impending deadline Death? Crunch time!

I had to give up precious mario party time for this.
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I dont recall you saying it before.
You might have implied it, but I missed that.
You did say I'd downplayed PJbasis' involvement in the red train.
Which was wrong too.
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Again, I am not gonna Not state my suspicions even if they are not extreme.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

My primary issue with the Red lynch is how many votes on it that I don't like, and I want to see if I can get some of them talking.

Though I have to say I'm not a fan of Death so far, and he's defending Red. Death is a player that I've found I town read a lot and I'm almost always right on when I do. In PW Mafia I obliterated him on the first day when he was scum. In Simpsons I outright wrote off considering him as scum when the game was on the line. He's even commented in the past he feels I'm particularly good at reading him.

I have a scum lean on Death right now.

Where have I been defending Red? Wtf?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Death is also not on either the Red or DYL trains :thonk:

I was kinda distracted, I am definitely leaning towards voting Red, but I wanted to see his reaction to the Kobe claim first
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Suspicion is the best I could do for most players, Crescent. With Han, IGCD and Red taking the brunt of it.
My morning catchup posts are more about me stating where I stand anyway. Though I will grant you I could have explained some parts better.
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That was the highest total for the timetho, I think
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Hbthebattle posted...

How so? If scum have a list of fakeclaims, they should already know the flavor split.

Yes but if we know the flavor split as well, then scum gets to stop faking not knowing and they get more flavor from town out of it to boot.
Its nothing major, but I dont see the need to go digging for answers here.
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Trying to reveal the flavor split helps scum more than town if you ask me.
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I'd rather he not say anything until Red has come back. He probably wont anyway.
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I am not gonna stop pointing out things I see. Though admittedly han proved me wrong there anyway.
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Crescent I clearly voiced my suspicion of Han and Red as well in there. Also I saud I didnt think he was suspicious. I just thought he liked red and wanted to keep voting DYL Because he suspected him instead.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

What's more interesting is Red's response to you is what started the momentum on Red to begin with. He also said Red overreacted to your vote, but people feel Red overreacted well before your vote even came down on him, considering Red has barely reacted to any of the votes on him at all.

Something about Death's assessment of the situation feels fundamentally off. It feels like he's trying to downplay your involvement whereas half the votes on Red are from people who just popped in to toss a vote on him.

That was definitely not my intention. I even thoyght pj had scummoned red. But red was at least around before that
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pjbasis posted...

What do you mean nowhere? I was first reading the game and it jumped out to me. Where is it supposed to come from?

Didnt mean it as a slight. I was just surprised.
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He would fake a role to either help kill red or lure sheep or other christype plans.
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Just a warning, I am having a guest over, so I cant be behind the monitor much for a while. But I will back a few hours before and until deadline.

I dont buy Chris' role yet, but I do buy this as a thing townChris would do.
Kinda was hoping red had reacted to it by now tho.

What are votals?
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