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Even worse than America because at least in the Us the population is overwhelmingly not conservative, they just rig the system

In the UK the population is overwhelmingly conservative, they won the last election comfortably with 80 more seats and the bulk of the opposition being Scotland and Wales.

England is a lot like Texas without the heat, religion and guns.
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Why?

The original is fine and Twin Snakes proved that a remaster just makes it worse
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Trelve posted...

Keir Starmer is a proper leader

Of a childrens super duper secret treehouse club perhaps.

He sounds and acts like a child.
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https://youtu.be/2T0ClIF-4tI

It boggles my mind that these people and Trump/Clinton are the ones we choose to lead the free world.

Say what you will about Vladimir Putin's evil policies, he looks and sounds like an adult:

https://youtu.be/xykvrGpCW6E

It's embarrassing
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Quotas are fucking dumb
Pretending you can't fill quotas because 'black people are fucking dumb' is fucking dumb

This whole thing is fucking dumb
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The_Korey posted...

Wut wood a 33 year old possibly have in kommon with an 18 year old?? :B

Sex
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Over 18 is fine so who cares
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TommyG663513 posted...

I assume it is because either gay people assume bi people are just gay people in denial or they've personally felt rejected by a bisexual person for a person of the opposite gender. Well those things combined with some ignorance and all that.

I very much appreciate your kind words.

As a straight guy I second his notion

Long as they are over 18 and sane, fuck whomever you like, who cares? You do you.
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Yeah there is a weird bias against bisexual people

A lot of gay people act offended by them as if they are being greedy or not "pure" gay

and a lot of straight people act like they are just cowards in the closet

Dont get it myself

some people like pineapples on pizza
some like anchovies on pizza
some like anchovies and/or pineapples on pizza
some dont like pizza

this is no different
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SolidShadow3 posted...

, honestly (as someone in a similar situation

Nani
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Eh, they paid a fortune for it

its their show now
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Rika_Furude posted...

thought crime. bad think

It's not thought crime because the view was expressed openly

It's not free speech because she wasn't arrested

She was utterly unprofessional and will be suspended for it, that's the right call
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Its almost like he is the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth that effects every country and yet Is comically incompetent or something
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What would RE4 benefit in terms of remaking?

its gameplay style is modern and graphics are fine

Other than better movement controls and more detail in the dirty peasants homes it would be the same experience

Would be like remaking Call of Duty Ghosts

Why?
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StarReaper13 posted...

Nah.

Not just a deadbeat but a liar too
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StarReaper13 posted...

I might not have been there but if they knew he existed there's no way in hell my parents would have tried to spoil the kid.

Either way I'd have sent child support.

In this scenario you didn't

You're a deadbeat . You went off to pick up coffee one day and never came back
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Dark_SilverX posted...

Come right back into his life like a true American dad.

Good morning U.S.A!
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RE2make was great
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Sickening
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DavidZ2844 posted...

Damn. Im also playing stealthily and searching for collectibles too, but didnt realize I was playing that ridiculously slow

Its these many large open areas that are padding the fuck out of my play time I think

As long as you're having fun it doesn't matter how slow you go

but yeah this game is padded to hell and back
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DavidZ2844 posted...

Yo TC (or anyone else here) how long did it take to get to the second half of the game (playing as Abby)? Im 22 hours in and I thought I was gonna finish the game but apparently theres another 3 days left to go with Abby, if the game even ends after that. I dont think thats normal, since I dont think the average first run is supposed to be 40+ hours long.

My save is like 18 hours and I'm halfway through Abby ( I think) so I'm guessing you're playing slowly.

I've been searching for collectables and stealthing too
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You and your boy/girlfriend end up accidentally getting pregnant and having an unwanted child.

At first you try to stick with it but the pressure gets to you and you run away, becoming a deadbeat dad when the boy is very young. Leaving the other parent to raise him by themselves

Then decades later you discover that your son and his husband have formed a multimillion dollar international company and are millionaires

https://i.imgur.com/F7R8ijY.png

How do you react?
Would you get back in his life?
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MaverickXeo posted...

I don't know why Colleges reopened to in-class. Yes, remote sucks, but it can be done. Even high schools and middle schools could've remained closed to in-class studies.

Conservatives
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

seriously, i would love to see one of these moronic holocaust deniers approach an actual survivor and tell them it never happened...

im sure their reaction would be interesting.

it happened a lot in the past and it's just depressing
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Rathinor posted...

The topic outlived the TC

lol
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BettyB0op08 posted...

With the ICE stuff going on this didnt age well

Its actually funny if you watch the "this week in WW2 " documentary on YouTube

They keep recalling things Nazis did and every time they just describe what Trump Is doing

Thats not an attack it's just a fact, the tactics are the same
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Shinobi120 posted...

I'd say Canada is far better than either Britain or America. New Zealand is better than both of them, too.

I can believe it
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They didn't think it would sink
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Th3Truth posted...

who?

The answer to that question is actually debatable
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Guide posted...

You are allowed your preferences.

You are also allowed to be the reincarnation of the great big mighty poo.

I'm not judging

I'm just saying I like women to look female
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nfearurspecimn posted...

I'll be honest, I only appreciate the cut hair for the story reasons and character development. I prefer the long hair.

Same

Who wants their women to look like young boys?
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"I just had it done."
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MeIon Bread posted...

know my American history VERY well, but

When was the battle of Gettysburg?
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

GameFAQs mods will defend this.

lol
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Unknown361 posted...

Other western countries are 100x better than America. At least I can smoke weed there without getting in trouble.

lolno
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Prestoff posted...

Drew your blood 3 times? You think that place is ran by vampires or something.

Wouldn't surprise me
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I love that "You can skip the cutscenes" and "Well the writing in the first game was better" are the arguments defending the terrible plot of this one

BakonBitz posted...

Kinda silly to ask when a big selling point of the game is its story, whether it's good or not.

Indeed.

RE2make (which ironically has a better story than this) gets away with a cliche silly story because it's not a story heavy game. It's a short fun one with high replay value

This is a story heavy game with long cutscenes, forced walking sections, constant flashbacks. The poor story really holds it back.

I can't imagine people in 15 years time anaylzing Jesse as a character and his themes the way they do with Maria from SH2
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Darmik posted...

Ellie telling Dinah about their day trip to the museum wouldn't really have the same impact as playing it through a flashback.

See for one I'm not sure I agree.

But let's ignore that for now and pretend good writing doesn't exist. Okay so keep the Dino trip. What about the other 16 flashbacks?

Why cut from a climantic showdown to do 8 hours of characters you know are in no danger being hunted or near executed?

This is only one point though ,the overall factor is that the story is a badly written mess of rehashed cliches and tropes. All the flashbacks are is a shortcut for the writers to insert more cliches and tropes because they cannot think of any other ways to tell their story.

God forbid the player thinks for themselves and learns or extrapoates something. No we have to show Abby's dad having a heart of gold and being the surgeon Joel killed in detail since the player would be too dumb to figure that out if we didn't dedicate 47 minutes to showing it step by step using visual cues and dialogue stripped right out of bad 1990s movies.

"I can't think of a way to get this information across in a fun dymanic pace keeping way."
"Well let's just insert another flashback and tell don't show"

This is pre-high school level writing.

Makeveli_lives posted...

I didn't say that. Hell I don't even believe that. I greatly enjoyed the first game but I'm not going to pretend it's unique or original or thought provoking. It was the standard "world has gone to shit but maybe there's hope with this child" I've seen a million times in other games, movies and TV shows.

Agreed. And yet that standard is far far superior to the trite in this game. Which is far below standard.

That situation at the end of the first game was about Joel being selfish, not evil. He didn't know the ramifications of what would happen if he saved her.

Except he knew there would be no zombie vaccine. That's evil.

And your being selective with picking out the word hero and attributing it to Joel despite it being more suited towards the fireflies train of thought, instead of justified which is what I would use to describe Joel and his state of mind at the time.

You're the one who said hero not me. But I'm glad you agree with me and are disagreeing with your own point. No character in this is a hero and in fairness to the game, none of them claim to be.

DirkDiggles posted...

lol just got to that scene
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BakonBitz posted...

That's more adapting a non-linear style of storytelling, though that's really tough to do well.

If you say so

They re-released Beyond: Two Souls in linear order and the story is still awful. The same would be true here.

It's not "a non linear style of storytelling" it's hack writing going "The only way I know how to insert these cliches/tropes and plotthreads into this story is to awkwardly insert them like this."

Eternal Darkness had a non-linear style of storytelling. LA. Noire did the flashbacks. You can do good non-linear story telling. This ain't it chief, this is just bad writing.

Hell the game even accidentally establishes this when Ellie opens the dinosuar book and goes "That was a great day" when pining over Joel's stuff. Then the game spends an hour breaking pace to tell you Joel and Ellie had a great day years ago.

Name 1 thing you learn plot related from the constant flashbacks that a competent writer couldn't get across in a linear story?

Not talking about the gameplay here, just the plot. There's nothing.

Darmik posted...

The flashbacks are very relevant to the story and the characters motivations.

Pity they are also badly written and contain no information that required a flashback to tell.

Left Behind was great DLC but it wouldn't have gelled if they shoved into halfway into the main game, let alone if they did it 20 times.

Makeveli_lives posted...

Like in the first game the fireflies are built up to be this heroic group of noble rebels. Joel went to them for help and look what they did in the original game Joel thought they were wrong, the fireflies thought Joel was wrong. That guy who wrote on the walls joined and hated them for it because of what he did while a member. Yet fireflies in the game still think they unappreciated heroes who didn't get the time to shine.

It's a very simple and effective way of illustrating a common theme in the game in which perspective is critical to determining worth and righteousness and the greater good and all that. Everyone thinks they see the bigger picture, and everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story and everyone develops extreme tunnel vision when it comes to justifying what was done.

It speaks volumes that your entire defense for the writing of this game is to go "Well The Last of Us 1 had better writing!"

Yes.... It did...

No one in this story thinks (or acts) like they are a hero. Hell even in the first game Joel didn't think the Fireflies were wrong. he was just a selfish evil man.

Going "Everyone in this plot is an idiot and a jerk and suffers a lot of pain" isn't good captivating writing.


It's a very simple and effective way of illustrating a common theme in the game in which perspective is critical to determining worth and righteousness and the greater good and all that. Everyone thinks they see the bigger picture, and everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story and everyone develops extreme tunnel vision when it comes to justifying what was done.

Is an apt description of the plot of Spec Ops: The Line which at 1/10th the budget and 1/4th the runtime told a much better story with much better characters.

This is just tired tropes you've heard before and grim grumbly boring people whining about their own idiotic actions while they are doing them for no real reason. It's just bad writing.
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Your answering your own question

"The game starts with and then routinely flashes back to random points in time to tell you irrelevant stories that a competent writer would explain within the plot."

Beyond: Two Souls did the same thing and it story sucked too.

Mass Effect didn't need to cut to a flashback of Saren meeting up with Sovereign after the Therum mission set years before. Filled with near death experiences for Saren.

It's just bad writing.
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The worst part is it only gets worse as the plot continues lol

Gameplay is solid but....
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TheGleamEyes posted...

The left dug their own grave.

Not really?

They've been far more popular than the right for decades, the right is just better at cheating and playing the system.

The right dug the left's grave.

There are monkeys in the wild who when they are smaller and inferior to the bigger monkeys team up an do a trick.

When an alpha monkey is about to fuck a female monkey, one of the betas jumps up and tries to fight him, baiting him away.

Then the second beta monkey sneaks in, quickly fucks the female monkey and runs off. Once he's finished the first beta monkey runs away from the fight too.

Then the next day they both swap places.

That's pretty much a representation of the Republican party at this point. Inferior to the other monkey but they succeed anyway by using tricks
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DavidZ2844 posted...

Last thing that happened to me was the flashback of Ellie forcing Joel to tell her what really happened at the hospital, and then back to modern day when Ellie and Jesse decide to go to the aquarium to find Abby/get Tommy. Stopped playing right as Ellie/Jesse left the theater they were staying at with Dina.

Okay so sorry If I spoil something, I'm trying to be careful

The plot is a group of people who are pissed Joel killed their mates 4 years ago hear a rumor that Joel's brother was 850+ miles away decades ago and so they travel across a zombie infested wasteland to get there. Their military overlord boss who is a hardass is okay with this for some reason.

Then they arrive, go "man this might be difficult so let's turn back" after the journey. Abby kills Joel, they keep Tommy alive, Ellie watches and then they keep them both alive because.... "We only came to kill Joel." WTF did they think was going to happen?

Then Maria can't spare anyone from their settlement because they need to survive and they already lost Joel. But Tommy the other senior guy fucks them over and runs off by himself anyway to travel 850 miles to "get ravange!"

Then maria goes "Dah well now we lost 2 senior people what else can you do. Here you two little girls go after them too and take a horse." then let's Jesse do the same thing the next day....

Reminder here that the entire plot of TLOU1 hinged on the entire concept that a little girl traveling the zombie and hunter infested wastes of America is impossible and also stated that zombies get stronger over time so it would now be harder than ever.

But no the teeange powerpuff girls travel 850 miles on a horse, I read the journal. There was some wolves and 2 hunters. That was it.....

Oh so the future is actually piss easy to survive then....

Then the group who traveled 850+ miles to kill Joel is at war with a cult and is being picked off by Tommy. So naturally when they see Ellie and Dina they don't kill her? They tie her up to a table leg to an Austin Powers style easily escapable unsupervised activity and 1 guy pumps her for information. Then another guy goes "nah let's kill her." then they FUCKING ARGUE ABOUT IT, then Dina plummets 37 feet to the floor which apparently is fine for a pregnant lady to do

Then the guy puts his gun away and starts throttling Dina to death for literally no reason while Ellie kills him and at that point you discover they didn't even take her weapons off her, she still has them.

Then they massacre their buddies were 3 feet away but apparently didn't hear the fight 2 seconds ago. Also why the fuck does these experienced adult military types who are at war get routinely outsmarted and overpowered by little girls?

Then after establishing that a base of hardened soldiers who want to kill us are everywhere, and there are 250 zombies who want to rip our flesh off that we barely escape one and leave between us only a door.... We move literally next door. Going "Hey this building right in the middle of enemy bases and literally next door to Zombies is safe. Let's live here."

Then Dina goes "I'm pregnant BTW but didn't tell anyone LOLZ!" to which Ellie walks off? Wut? Then wanders around the theatre for no reason, turns the power on, Radio is broken. So I got back to PReggers McGee but no I'm supposed to leave her alone, go into a different room, play guitar and fall asleep?

Yeah that's how I reacted when my nearly dead girlfriend told me she was pregnant and there are zombies outside too. Don't even secure the building and spread out as unsafely as possible so communication is impossible.

Then we travel through god knows how many bases, traps and tunnels leaving nothing but dead ends behind us when Jesse turns up literally out of no where and goes "Maria let me go with a horse too LOL they must be really fucked and I've been racing for 18 hours every day so I am exhausted but even so I bested all these miltiary guys, bumped into you and now from inside the heart of their strongholds we're going to magically teleport back to the theatre without incident."

And while while we're on the subject of Jesse and Dina, she tells Dina she's immune but doesn't tell her about Joel's betrayal of the fireflies? Keeps that a secret when she asks why they wanted to kill him?

Then 14 seconds later she tells Jesse about Joel's betrayal of a fireflies but doesn't tell him she's immune. She keeps that a secret?

Why?

I'm skipping tons of stuff out just to keep the post short but in pretty much every single scene, every single character is acting in a totally irrational and stupid way doing things that make no sense and frequently being totally inconsisent.

Maria, Tommy, Ellie, Dina, Jessie, Abby, Every nutcase or Soldier we meet.

The only one who shows any kind of intelligence and consistency is Manny and the game seems to be trying to portray him as an idiot

Plus just the dialogue alone between characters is terrible. It's mumbly and boring, exchanges are pointless or awkward. Characters who were born and raised in a post zombie nightmare world inside militaryesq settings talk like 20th century high school girls if they were written by 45 year old Jewish men

This isn't good writing. It's just a precession of idiots doing totally irrational things mixed with tired tropes and cliches portrayed preteniously without being earned. There aren't even character arcs or moral choices because everything is pre-set and doesn't gel with the rest of it.

Ellie brutally ruthlessly murders 15 people in front of their friends and casually jokes/brags about it then in the next cutscene is sad and melancholy because she killed someone in self-defense who was trying to kill her and is like "Man I have to kill people in my 850+ mile horrorific murder spree revenge rampage!? I had no idea it would entail this!" and it's so stupid.

Plus why the fuck bother even trying to put "Tense" sequences or plot threads into chapters of the plot set in the past when you've already established those characters will be fine because they are bumming around in the present/future?

It's a masterclass into how to not write characters and story.

Captain Walker from Spec Ops: The Line alone has more depth than literally everyone in this story combined

It's truly trite
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The story jumps all over the place timeline wise so I'm not sure what will be a spoiler

What's the last thing that happened to you?
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GoodOlJr posted...

She broke the law

Prepared to hear this a lot folks if Trump wins in 2020. Especially if he keeps the senate.

*Police do something absurd and indefensible*

"Yeah well the law says that's ok"
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DavidZ2844 posted...

They act reasonably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0
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DavidZ2844 posted...

I just started Seattle Day 3 and called it quits for the night, but I dont know if were still playing the same game or not. I think the story in this game is phenomenal,

But it sooooo fucking dumb

Every single character in the plot is just an idiot
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Zikten posted...

if she wanted to fuck me,

She doesn't

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Maybe. Depends if they're single or not.

They aren't
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eston posted...

I'm no Bloomberg fan, but that's actually awesome. Blocking people from voting because they owe money is not something that should happen in a democracy

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