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SmokeMassTree posted...

Come on man, they are clearly cheating in multiple states

Me and the other boys that are proud to be straight boys are standing back and standing by. We will not stand for this

Uh huh

Imagine thinking Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are socialist.

Holy shit.

So...Republicans and Trump are strapped for money and hitting up their supporters for donations to fund lawsuits and recounts?
(per CNN)

lol

I kinda hope they do so and really tap themselves out.

There's potentially TWO Georgia Senate races going to a runoff early next year, it'd be awesome if the RNC was broke by then chasing unicorns.

I wondered why the fuck the U.S. maintained its stubborn position on Cuba and the embargo even as we become ever more economically intertwined with Communist China (apparently they're "good communists?").

I realize now... it's this small contingent of fuck wits still angry about half a century ago and the oversized influence they wield to swing the biggest "swing state" in the country, and appeasing them at any cost.
It was Obama/Biden that began to melt the diplomatic freeze and engage Cuba, and trump that reversed course. So yeah, I can see why they flocked to Trump, they're single issue voters on an issue (Cuban relations, specifically keeping them nonexistent) that the rest of America doesn't give a shit about.

In any case...I've said all along that Dems are morons to just assume the Hispanic vote is theirs and they can just coast to victories on "shifting demographics". A lot of Hispanics are conservative and/or very religious or otherwise fit into the mold of a Republican voter, they can easily be picked up by Republicans if the party tries.

A Trump advisor apparently admitted the obvious, that if he loses GA, his campaign is dead.
Even if Trump got Arizona and PA, GA and NV would put Biden at 277 and really shut the door.

If Biden wins NV, AZ, PA, and GA, and Trump wins NC and Maine's district...Biden would win by 306-232

Same exact final margin (before faithless electors) as 2016, except reversed

Nifty.

Zeus posted...

People care about Arizona because we're going to get the results sooner. If Biden wins Arizona, then --- assuming that all other results stand -- he's won. If he doesn't get Arizona, it comes down to Pennsylvania.

Also, Biden winning AZ means Mark Kelly wins his Senate race. So that's kinda important.

Also, I don't want a small victory, I want a good electoral vote cushion so trump's lawsuits and tantrums are completely and utterly futile.

OhhhJa posted...

It's so weird how trump won handily last night but now biden is somehow magically getting like 90% of the mail in votes as a few states act really shady about the counting and let's not even talk about the mysterious jump in like 200k votes for biden around 4 am. I'm supposed to believe biden got 200k votes in the time trump got 0? Lol. There is no precedent for this whatsoever and it's insane we've allowed our election integrity to go down the shitter like this. America honestly deserves biden at this point

Biden was ahead in TX for an hour, and then all of a sudden he's down by over 6%?
What's up with that?!
We all know the second someone has a lead, that race is over!
I call shenanigans!

AOC, I guess.
Neither is appealing to me as a voter, but dude seems kinda crazy.

He was going to attend the US Naval Academy with a full scholarship but had been rejected before the crash

...So....he WASN'T going to attend the US Naval Academy w/ a full scholarship, then?
What?

Judgmenl posted...

Nah once NV flips for Biden tomorrow morning, he wins the election.

...I thought Biden was winning there already?

Trump pulled ahead?!

Election Nights in America II: The Revenge

Lil69Leo posted...

They already have professional poll watchers from both parties in every counting.

Thank you.
It's so fucking frustrating how many people don't seem to realize this.
They actually think it's just a bunch of dudes all from one party in a room behind closed doors operating on the honor system.

These "poll watchers" are really just criminals engaging in voting intimidation.

This topic aged well

Wanded posted...

Well, if Republicans don't like that most of the Democrat votes come in the following day, maybe the Republicans in these states shouldn't have forced the counting of mail in ballots to wait till polls close on election day.

It's almost like they created an avoidable situation just so they could whine about it....

Biden pulled ahead in Wisconsin, in a near tie in Michigan, and seems to have won Arizona.

PA hasn't counted shit all night. Same for NC and GA it seems.

There is hope...

Zeus posted...

Is it a safe bet to assume that we probably won't see any new updates tonight? I know that things are still kinda shutting down, etc, but it feels some of these won't release anything new until tomorrow and PA might be towards the end of the week.

Yeah, doubt much will change in the next 4-6 hours. Time for me to go sleep...

Zeus posted...

I'm not sure how that'd actually wash out in practice if it had an impact. Is there any precedent for a faithless elector changing a result?

I don't think so.
The electoral college makes razor thin popular vote margins look like mandates usually b/c of the winner take all status.
Not sure when the last time there was an election w/ electoral vote totals as super close as this could end up.
So a few jerks flipping off the democratic process don't affect it.

Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin#Table_of_election_results

Disregarding 1824, which was a 3 way mess, there's 1876, 2000, and 1796 for elections decided by 5 or fewer electoral votes (after that it jumps to like 20+, it seems). Of course those were final tallies, after any shenanigans...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidential_election#Electoral_disputes_and_the_Compromise_of_1877

That sounds messy...

2000 apparently a Gore elector abstained completely, so the margin would've been 4 instead of 5

And 1796 I'm not sure what to make of it. The election rules I guess were way different and still in flux back then....

Zeus posted...

The strangest things depress you guys. Whether one side wins by an inch or a mile, the result is the same. It could salve the loser's wounds, but it doesn't do much for the winner.

Well, the closeness has seemed to kill Dem's hopes of getting a Senate majority.

They won CO and probably AZ, lost AL (duh), and...all the other seats they hoped to flip seem out of reach.

EDIT: Random thought to make things even more fun...
Usually every election there's a few "faithless electors" that go against the will of the voters. But it doesn't matter b/c the electoral margin is wide enough to shrug it off. If someone wins by like 1-3 electoral votes, then...buckle up....

DrPrimemaster posted...

Its definitely up in the air. And supposedly Atlanta hasn't been counted for Georgia yet so that could swing towards Biden as well.

Per latest on CNN, GA is 91% reported, but the Atlanta areas are like 72% - 86% or so reported, so still behind the overall state. Oh, and the gap closed to 2.5%
So there's hope there...

CNN's Nevada count is way behind

Has it at 7% reported and Trump winning. Google has 51% reported and Biden winning.

Weird it'd be so off from each other.

St_Kevin posted...

I mean he has Ohio, Florida and Michigan

He does not have Michigan, at least not yet.
Lots of mail in ballots and like 80% of Detroit still in the air.

Entity13 posted...

"Let's wait until the last minute or later to count the votes sent in early, because that's just the way we do things. What can possibly go wrong?"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79082682/946690785

Lol
"That's the way they count them in Pennsylvania, for some reason."
"Well, Democrats tried to change that, but were blocked in the state house by Republicans for some reason."
"I think we know the reason."

(exchange between CNN anchors)

Zeus posted...

He still might.

Does he? I thought president got chosen by house, VP by senate if neither hit 270. Right now the house is still controlled by Democrats and the senate by Republicans.

Like I said, the rules are fucking dumb.
Yes, the House votes. But not the actual House. One vote per state (which makes it function more like the Senate, which makes you wonder why the fuck it's even the House doing the vote)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election#Presidential_election

Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately after the counting of the electoral votes to vote for president if no candidate for the office receives a majority of the electoral votes. In this event, the House is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation votes en bloc, with each state having a single vote. A candidate is required to receive an absolute majority of state delegation votes (currently 26 votes) in order for that candidate to become the president-elect. The House continues balloting until it elects a president. As a consequence of the state delegation voting method, the party that holds the majority in the House could still lose the contingent election if the minority party holds the majority of state delegations.

Raddest_Chad posted...

To save me the headache of mathing, is it possible for neither candidate to get to 270 depending how it could split? If that happens, Trump will probably win because each state gets 1 vote in the house to pick (and Trump has more states behind him)?

Yes it's possible, and yes, Trump auto-wins a tie b/c of our dumb election rules.
You'd think an electoral tie would use the popular vote as a tie-breaker at least, or it'd be based on the full House vote.
But nope!

Biden needs 270.

Zareth posted...

I'd eat my hat if Fairfax voted red.

Well yeah, I just mean it's hilarious it went from 1/4 reported to 3/4 reported in one sudden update, and how that in turn completely flipped the state.
Obviously it's Democratic there. Just a relief to see it's still overwhelmingly so, and Trump didn't cut into the margin at all.
Considering how awful everything else has gone tonight.

Jen0125 posted...

Commentators on ABC are opining that the mail in ballots will switch some leaning red states to Biden.

I want to hold out hope for NC, but it's like 95% reported. Might be possible, but damn close...

GA actually seems more hopefuly at this point, just b/c it's missing so many even though it's a big margin...

I think FL, OH, and TX are all lost. And that really sucks to not at least get one of them.
PA really won't be known for at least 24 hours, but the margin's getting disturbingly large.

Fairfax county went from 28% reported to 86% and VA flipped instantly

That's some nice bit of sanity restored...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Too hopeful, I'm in full on bitter acceptance mode. I'll gladly take a pleasant surprise but it looks like we're going to have 4 years going forward to make the last 4 look nice.

We thought 2020 was the worst year we'd ever live through.

Ah, we were so optimistic...

Lol
"That's the way they count them in Pennsylvania, for some reason."
"Well, Democrats tried to change that, but were blocked in the state house by Republicans for some reason."
"I think we know the reason."

Metalsonic66 posted...

There you go

It's one thing when a poll says Biden wins by 1% and Trump wins by 2%.

It's a matter of, "how do these people have jobs?" when it says Biden by 1% and Trump by 8%. That's a crazy swing way out of the "margin of error"

Metalsonic66 posted...

Votes probably

Biden was supposed to be more popular there than Hillary.
He's doing about the same as she did.
It was supposed to be a razor thin margin and it turned into a fucking blowout.

Wow, Ohio is fucking gone. 94% in and Trump up by 8%, WTF happened?

Jen0125 posted...

Well I can say I'm proud to have been part of the blue wave in AZ at least.

Seems too early to be sure. I keep checking AZ and the total votes counted has been stuck at 75% for like an hour and a half. Would be nice.

PA is a great case study in how fucking stupid it is to collect mail in ballots for a month and then just opt to sit on them till the polls closing on election day.
I feel bad for the people counting them, CNN saying they're behind schedule (which was already supposed to take days) and going to work through the night.
Why? It's so dumb. Especially when you compound it w/ not offering any in person early voting at all.

Lindsey Graham won... :(

papercup posted...

Yeah I never actually expected Texas or Florida to go Biden. Some of the other purple states are surprising though.

I didn't expect TX. FL supposedly was +2% for Biden, I didn't expect him to win but thought it'd be super close, not a 3-4% "blowout" in the other direction.... That's way off from polls.

But GA, NC, and seriously...WTF, VA!
Those are really disappointing.

All those "blue wall" states are way too soon to call but definitely make me uneasy.

Just one.
Can't Biden just get a single one of the damn 12-15 "battleground" states to look solidly on his column?

Trump's already wrapped up a few of them...

Wow, Ohio flipped around hard

PA even more so, though I know they have a fucking stupid election system (NO in person early voting, no counting mail in ballots till polls close or later) so that doesn't mean much

papercup posted...

Also are they including mail-in ballots yet?

https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots,_2020

According to this, it seems like VA should've started counting them this morning, I think?

Saw some local VA race they called for the Democrat even though the Dem was like 20% down w/ 75% of the vote in. Two other local races that were blue 2 years ago, Republicans are crushing it. I don't get it...

EDIT: Also, considering even projections of Trump winning had him losing the popular vote, and so far has been mostly east coast states voting, isn't kinda like...insanely frightening that Trump's ahead in the overall popular vote?

Raddest_Chad posted...

The biggest plot twist is def Virginia. WTF happened there?

Unless like...the entire northern D.C. suburb area is like...not even counted yet, I don't know how the fuck this is happening.

CNN showed Hamptons and Biden doing way worse than Hillary...

Jen0125 posted...

Barely came in?

CNN says only 7% of PA has been reported

*shrug*

Jen0125 posted...

Biden killing in PA

Barely even came in yet.
But Ohio's looking solid w/ half in.

VA is seriously disturbing me.
FL seems lost.

CNN: "There's a lot of blue on the map right now..."

CNN's current electoral vote counts: Trump 37, Biden 30

O_o

WTF is happening w/ Virginia?

The reults look like they're completely swapped from what it should be, and like 60% reported?

SeahorseCpt89 posted...

Dont like how fast Trump is gaining in Florida.

Especially considering the Republican-majority panhandle seems to have not been counted yet...

Wow, Florida has like 73% of the votes counted already?

I know they had lots of early votes and actually count them as they get them, but the idea that Florida might have a result by the end of election night is mind-blowing.

...Not liking the Miami-Dada standings...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Does anyone like that rhetoric?

The 40% of the country that fervently backs Trump even as it's spewed?

OhhhJa posted...

I would be really shocked if biden took FL. That was pretty much a lock for trump

I doubt he'll win it, either. But it's gonna be razor thin.

If Biden does win FL, it's going to be due to the pandemic and b/c the seniors there really didn't like the whole "sacrifice grandpa for the stock market" rhetoric from Republicans.

Wanded posted...

Hurray, common ground!

Blightzkrieg posted...

The Last Jedi is a great movie

No.

and Rise of Skywalker is a shitty fanfic

Yes.

> Mad at the governor for trying to enforce COVID safety measures
> Protests against said safety measures in packed maskless groups
> Hatches plot to kidnap and murder the governor over said safety measures
> Is now in jail
> Conveniently, he suddenly is concerned about COVID now that it's an excuse to bail him out of jail

Did that about sum up this whole saga?

vagrant posted...

Throw the book at him.

Wolves ask where the hen house is, so they can...you know... "guard it"

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/02/us/trump-biden-election#the-trump-campaign-asked-a- pennsylvania-county-where-the-ballots-will-be-kept-rattling-local-officials

(take out the space)

Officials in a Central Pennsylvania county were deeply unsettled by a request from the Trump campaign last week for details about election security protocols, including specific information about the storage and transportation of ballots.
The request, first reported by The Sentinel of Carlisle, Pa., was sent last Tuesday to officials in Cumberland County, which includes Carlisle and sits just outside Harrisburg, the state capital.
On behalf of Donald J. Trump for President, the email began, going on to instruct officials to answer more than two dozen questions regarding your offices compliance with existing statutes and law and insisting on a response by 5 p.m. the next day.
The questions included where ballots and voting machines would be stored after polls closed including address and room number the names of people who were transporting them, the security (if any) provided during transport and the manner in which ballots and voting machines would be secured.
Ive been here 16 years and Ive never seen a request anywhere like that, said Gary Eichelberger, the Republican chairman of Cumberland Countys Board of Commissioners.
Thea McDonald, the Trump campaigns deputy press secretary, said that the campaign has made similar requests of many local officials as part of the Trump campaigns efforts to ensure a free and fair election.
Given that more than 500,000 mail ballots were tossed out in this years primaries, we must look into these critical issues, she added, referring to the 534,000 mail ballots that were rejected across 23 states. The information weve asked for includes standard election transparency details, and election officials should have the answers on hand. When did transparency become a bad thing?
The request came as legal challenges to Pennsylvanias election system and policies have multiplied down the homestretch of a race for perhaps the single most hotly contested state in the country, where Joseph R. Biden Jr. has held a consistent polling lead over President Trump. Mr. Trump suggested over the weekend that he would challenge the states election results before vote counting even finishes.
Cumberland County is one of the counties in Pennsylvania that will not begin counting mail-in ballots until Wednesday.
In a news conference on Monday morning, Pennsylvanias top elections official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, suggested that the request was improper.
No county should provide any election security information to any third party ever, Ms. Boockvar said, adding that she had been in touch with the F.B.I. about the request.