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TheGoldenEel posted...

again, I posted numerous links showing that the media claimed the protests would be superspreader events in the early weeks of protests.

the attitude was not itll be just fine it was this will probably spread the virus, but we are consciously making the decision to fight for black lives knowing that danger, and being as safe as we can

it was only after weeks of data collection that it was determined that the protests did not cause widespread outbreak

youd have to be a partisan hack to disagree with hard data

than there is no reason to not have full access and participation in all outdoor events, concerts and sports as long as a mask is required.

CADE FOSTER posted...

America is run and has the dumbest people on the planet bar none

it also has the smartest.

we can complain all we want but we are the Alpha of the world whether you like it or not.

008Zulu posted...

I don't see the world recovering from this for years

FYP

Perthboy posted...

Wow so much mental gymnastics with those studies and articles. Protesters prevented covid 19 by making other people stay at home, lmao.
Ignoring the root cause, people catching it at rallies and taking it home and spreading it to their communities. The way disease gets spread.

It's whole case was you're 19 times more likely to catch it in a room than in open air. Doesn't factor how people fit in bar and how many attended rallies.

Study hasn't been peer reviewed. Articles don't state source or study. Was it Medicine, Math and Statistics or the Social Science agenda pushing faculty. Articles also say state health officials dispute it's claims and strongly link uptick with rallies.

Great news

Mass gatherings outdoor did not cause a surge in cases

As long as masks are worn than we should be able to have parties outside, attend concerts and sporting events as well. The beaches should be open also.

I just want to repeat that enough so people either agree or realize that the protest models might be wrong

Balrog0 posted...

That isn't true, and deaths and hospitalizations are up

Southern states are dramatically protecting them better as a whole.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This has a lot of good information and shows how that half the cases and deaths so far occurred in 4 states.

The northeast got hit hard and other stats have learned from their mistakes

coolboy11 posted...

mans came through with RECEIPTS

if all these are accurate than, as long as a mask is worn, there is zero reason not to open up In full all outdoor activities including fans at outdoor sporting events.

Beaches, parks and all other outdoor venues should be open in full with no restrictions other than a mask.

Its 4th of July weekend lets open everything outside In full as BLM protests proved that mass gatherings outside do not cause a spike

Roxborough4Ever posted...

it has NOTHING to do with BLM protests...AT ALL...STOP thinking it does!

Indirectly it Does

If it has nothing to do with the increase directly than you should be in support of fans at outdoor sports and concert as long as you wear a mask. Beaches and outdoor parks should be allowed to be full as well

thqt is great news if large groups clustered together outside doesnt help spike cases.

it means all activities outside should be safe as long as a mask is worn.

Sayoria posted...

Because under capitalism, money > lives. So instead of focusing on health of the country, we wanna make billionaires richer!

America is a fucking joke.

I get the anger and frustration. However if you want to play the lives game than go look at how 2nd and 3rd world countries will be effected because of the shutdown.
Those countries will have children starve to death all because we want to protect the at risk and elderly in first world countries. There are many articles you can research. From Lebanons money being devalued so much that families cant afford food to between 250k to 1.2 million 2nd and 3rd world babies that will die in next year due to economic shutdowns.

There is trade off for everything and an emotional response will provide no answers.

Its easy to criticize flaws while ignoring things that are good. We all do that and America haters are the same way.

I always make a list of everything I like and dislike about people, places and things before making a judgement.

In this case America is pretty cool. It gets a big thumbs up from me as a whole despite some glaring flaws.

lilJoe457 posted...

Because they have a new way of counting. They basically just assume people in contact with a positive test has it. Which explains why cases are spiking but deaths aren't. Either that or they're lying. Or it's getting weaker.

well the southern states are protecting their care centers much better than the north East states did. That much is certain.

Old and at risk people are also isolating better on their own.

Most people testing positive now are under 50. Here is a good link to an email from a doctor. Explains a lot of variables for cases in Texas.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1277773122301804546

The virus might be weaker or the way it interacts with the human body is weaker.

This virus has never been dangerous statistically to anyone under 60 and in decent health. In fact, so far Its less harmful to those under 40 than the flu is. Even more so to those under 20. Half the people who get the flu under 40 dont have zero to Minor symptoms. Almost all are sick for 3-4 days or more.

It seems to thrive inside in cramped areas so bars and restaurants will likely have to keep capacity at below 50% in many places or even 25%.

No pandemic since the Black Plague has ever infected more than 30% of the population before disappearing or reducing in severity. Lets hope that plays out here as well.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

I mean if its so evident, youd surely have evidence of a government official saying it.

protests started on the 26-27th.

this was brought up on 29th. The very next Friday 14 counties approved.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.geekwire.com/2020/washington-state-loosens-restrictions-phased-opening-shutdown-order-approaches-expiration/amp/

Wasssup Now posted...

This is good news. The science shows mass gatherings are ok as long as its outdoors with masks on. I just don't understand why close public pools and beaches. Just enforce masks better

That is where the double standard takes place.

The same people on here who say the protests did not cause a direct increase in the cases should be supportive of people being able to go to beaches or sporting events held outside being able to have fans.

That is the consistency I am talking about.

If science is proving that the protests did not cause much of a spike than there is really no reason we cannot have fans at outdoor games or people at beaches. Just make masks mandatory if you break the 6 foot barrier while stationary.

As far as eating and drinking at games than people would just need to be respectful. I mean there were a ton of people eating and drinking and not wearing masks at the protests as well.

I just want consistency. Thats how we reduce division and move forward as a whole

sktgamer_13dude posted...

He literally said BLM made the states open quicker.

Just because theres protests, doesnt mean that affected the reopening. B happening after A doesnt mean A caused B.

Some states reopened to please Trump (see: red ones). Some are taking measures approaches. iirc, King just got to phase 2, so idk why that guy is freaking out. iirc, they got modified to a 1.5, but its not like they went to phase 4 immediately. There were more limitations to business that opened than counties in phase 2.

My county is in phase 3 and were just waiting for the rest of the state to catch up. Yakima and Spokane dont want to though.

there is no way that 14 counties are approved from phase 1 to phase 2 all in the same day. All 14 counties did not meet requirements. There is no way King county gets a modified phase 1 without BLM.

This is no surprise. I agree with everything from opening up to phase two to the protests.

im just stating BLM is the main reason the spike is higher than it would of been otherwise during the reopening.

People who were stuck at home for months were now like F this....all these protestors all able to break social distancing rules so I will too.

I am trying really hard to spell it out while not attacking the movement.

Its just putting two and two together

BigB0ss13 posted...

It's spiking because of the maskless protests and riots (some people on here will be ass hurt because I said a fact but it is what it is) with thousands of people cramped up together, the fucking Karens thinking they're too special for a mask, the dumb fucks who think putting old people together in a retirement home with other people that test positive is a good idea, corrupt ass politicians telling the public it's okay to not wear a mask, etc.

Yeah the treatment of the people at care centers in some states was really hard to comprehend.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Source?

because your claims do not match up with the timeline here at all

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/states-reopening-coronavirus-map/

14 counties open in one day. Phase 1 was modified at phase 1.5 for King county

the modification took place after BLM

This doesnt occur all at same time without BLM. Most counties were not under the requirement for cases per 100k people which was needed to go from phase 1 to phase 2

I live in king county. It was all over the news. Reporters would ask governor why no phase 2. How is it ok to allow protestors but not allow some businesses to open.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.king5.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/king-snohomish-pierce-county-reopen-washington-state/281-449d6565-67e6-4991-9dcc-3c02cbd7ff7d

shockthemonkey posted...

Thanks, I wasnt quite sure if thats what you meant or not. Id like to see more evidence of this but I appreciate the clarification.

I am just trying to be neutral here. My kids marched for the protests and i support them 100%. But, i also realize there are side effect to things even if they are for a wonderful cause. I am listing those side effects in relation to the virus.

The poster earlier shared a good link on the time frame of each state opening. That was great to read. It was all a perfect storm to increase the cases so dramatically.

1. States start to re open
2. Protests take place
3. Some states expedite opening faster
4. Media focuses on protests and not virus
5. Young people who have little fear of virus are now out and about

A perfect storm. The good news is it looks like we are still protecting the at risk better and lets hope that continues.

Bishop9800 posted...

Still want to blame black folks I see....

I am 100% in support of the protests.

I am just stating how they affected the increase in cases indirectly.

If you want to make this political or personal than go ahead. I have lived long enough to know who is open minded and who is not. Hopefully that changes in time as if i have learned one thing in my 45 years of life its that other people are right just as often or more than i am.

I lean on the side of the virus not being widespread directly due to the protests. I however realize that the indirect effects of the protests did help expedite the spike in cases.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Factually incorrect

here is an article from May 27th, just two days after George Floyd was murdered but before large scale nationwide protests had started

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-coronavirus-trnd/

note that although the first protests took place in Minneapolis on May 26th, they did not spread to the rest of the country until May 28th:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States

I just gave you an example in Washington State. So its not factual incorrect at all. Yes some states were opening already but many places or counties expedited opening up quicker as well.

BLM had millions out in the streets. This helped ease the fears as for two straight weeks very little was mentioned about the coronavirus. This was done at the beginning of opening up and many states expedited opening up as well.

You combine some states starting to open up, some states expediting opening up and than the lack of fear instituted into the people by the media for 2 weeks and you have more people going out into the opening than before.

I am not being political here guys. Anyone who thinks that the BLM did not have an indirect effect on the spike we are seeing is not being honest with themselves or is just flat out unwilling to recognize the truth.

Some people will just refuse to ever look at things from anything outside of their bubble.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Even though theres evidence they directly caused it, I still think they caused it dammit!

Not the best defense.

I don't think you are understanding me.

BLM helped expedite opening up. This allowed more people to venture out to bars, restaurants and more working in the business world. These are all indoors and therefore pose an increased risk of exposure. As a result more people have got the virus and we see this spike.

States were opening up more cautiously until the BLM protests, thats a fact, both red and blue state were more cautious. BLM hit and more started to open up. This is how BLM has indirectly caused a big spike in the number of cases.

Bishop9800 posted...

Translation---I dont care what the scientist and everyone else says, BLM caused this spike!

Scientists have nothing to do with the states opening up faster. This isnt scientific, its more legal. Many places were approved to open up during and after the BLM protests. As a result more people were out in the open.

The good news is if what you are saying is true...BLM did not cause much if any of a direct spike in cases....than this bodes well for having fans at football games come september as long as masks are required. If millions can chant and yell outside at the protests without much of an increase than we should not see much of an increase from allowing outdoor sports and events to have spectators.

shockthemonkey posted...

So you have no evidence that the protests caused any significant spread but you think they led to more open and lax policies that have led to this spike?

correct

The protests expedited the process of opening up and young people started to go out in mass.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Posting this again so its on this page and those who want the info can have it.

And so the trolls can ignore it again and continue to spew garbage

Even if they did not directly cause a huge spike in the number of cases they indirectly are the main cause. See my other posts about how opening up was expedited because of these protests.

shockthemonkey posted...

So they didnt cause a spread but they caused people to expect a spread therefore people stopped taking precautions?

the protests obviously caused a direct increase in cases. How much an increase is debatable.

The protests indirectly expedited the opening of states. Once this occurred the young people flocked to bars and restaurants, etc.

Combine the millions of young protesting with the millions of young now out in public and your main reason for the big increase.

The numbers prove that the vast majority of the new infections are from those under 50 and most are minor to mild symptoms. This is further shown with the fatality rate remaining low as the at risk are still isolating.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Please help me understand what the hypocrisy is that was exposed. Your media and government label is too vague. What was the government and media doing that was hypocritical. You also said directly btw...

We were shut down for the most part and slowly opening until the BLM protests hit.

Millions of people were allowed to break all social distancing guidelines and rules for weeks. As a result, businesses were claiming how unfair this was that millions could break social distancing but they could not open a barbershop or a restaurant. The media and government were exposed as being hypocritical as its was ok for one group but not for another.

The state governors got pressure from these businesses and as a result many states expedited opening up. An example is Washington State. It was slowly opening up and certain guidelines had to be met. The governor got pressure and opened up 14 counties all in the same day from phase 1 to phase 2 even though most did not meet the original criteria.

CruelBuffalo posted...

@prestonluv SF and SD asked and contract tracers didnt see a link to BLM protests. Why havent Minnesota and NYC increased to the same degree that Texas and FL have?

What proof do you have about protests leading to more cases than isnt just pure conjecture from your head?

Did you read my post?

The protests have caused an indirect increase in the number of cases by exposing the hypocrisy and therefore expediting the opening up process.

1 Simple Reason

BLM protests exposed the hypocrisy of the media and government

As a result, millions of people stopped being cautious and states were forced to open quicker than they initially planned as they would of been exposed to potential lawsuits.

Young people have been isolated at home and do not fear the virus. Combine this with the protests and bar openings and you have a whole slew of young people who just dont GAF.

We wont go backwards unless the government wants to be exposed to lawsuits as is happening in Texas currently with the Bars suing the state

BLM is the direct and indirect cause.

That is your answer and anyone who says differently is taking a political side and ignoring reality.

If someone start destroying my property whether it be a house or a business I own and I feel I am in danger Than I will warn them to leave and if they dont I will shoot them.

Corrik7 posted...

We are likely at over 1% of the population infected as is or close to it.

I would say in the 5% range for the country as a whole and in the 10-20% range for the hot spots. NYC alone was 21% 2 weeks ago.

Voxwik posted...

The idea is to not overwhelm facilities. No crowded dense gatherings until a vaccine doesn't mean shelter in place for years.

The story has been consistent from day one. Some just don't want to act based on actual science and medical professionals and frankly don't care if there is more death and suffering if they can get things moving a few weeks sooner.

You can't dictate a pandemic, and you must act based on reality. I'm just floored how enthralled some people are to listen to loud angry people who are essentially professional whiners over scientists and doctors working off of data.

i agree

we sheltered and figured out the at risk

50% of death from care centers.

isolate the patients and employees at all care centers nationwide. An effective program can be found.

if we do this than hospital beds will likely be open. Many hospitals are losing money now because they have too many beds open because of the shelter laws.

So we sheltered temporarily...I agreed...now that we have targeted the highest group that is at risk than we do what is necessary to completely isolate them.

If we do this we eliminate half the deceased and this will leave beds open for new patients once we re-open.

we are willing to sacrifice the world economy for this virus but we are not willing to find an effective plan to protect and isolate these centers to reduce deaths dramatically.

Ask yourself why? Are we afraid that we are being unfair to all the care center people by isolating them indefinitely?

The solution is there but politicians on both sides are not willing to do it.

Heck....Cuomo even sent covid patients to care centers which is straight up manslaughter. Trump changes his tune daily and shows no leadership.

I know that Im in the minority now but a vaccine is nowhere in the near future. Things will get much much worse in terms of unemployment and recession come the fall.

most people one day will tap out and say f it. Im just doing it sooner than most

I have had an account for years
no idea who this other preston is

there will be no vaccine anytime soon. If it was guaranteed this year than obviously I would shift me tune

unless you are willling to shelter in place off and on indefinitely for the next few years than most people will get. Thats assuming we even find a safe vaccine.

if we dont find it in next 1-2 years than everyone will get eventually.

The R of 40 people are those who assume we find a vaccine within a year and shelter in place most of the time. If its two years than it will be closer to 70% assuming we still shelter.

are you willing to do shelter in place for 1-2 more years in hopes that we find a vaccine?

all for a virus with a death rate of less than 1% of which the average age of death is 75-80.

This is absolutely crazy to me that there are people willing to do that without a guarantee of a vaccine

so go live life man.

be respectful of others and stop living in fear

at what time are you willing to tap out?

how long are you willing to shelter in place without a guarantee of a vaccine?

The fastest a safe and effective vaccine has been created is 4 years.

even if we halve that to two years than 70% or more of people will already of had even with shelter laws

do some research, talk to virologists and stop believing articles from only a few sources or a few tv stations. Research ones from multiple countries and multiple outlets.

most of you will tap out one day and say f it Cause a vaccine is not around the corner

Voxwik posted...

If you sneeze without a mask and spread it that is 100% your fault. Also it doesn't infinitely stay in the air.

This has been explained over and over and nothing is new now other than ansy businesses and politicians allergic to reality.

It's about keeping the rate of infection under control so it doesn't overwhelm the health systems. It's disgusting that policy working is used by anti-intellectualism as evidence it was never needed. It is insanity.

keep up the good fight dude. If everyone will get eventually than my sneeze means nothing.

im a stats dude. And yes starvation will annihilate other countries and the world wide death toll will dwarf covid.

anyway....insanity to me is telling the world to shut down indefinitely for a virus with a 99.5% survival rate whose average age of death is between 75-80.

the hospital beds have been at 60% use around the country for a month in most places. People are being laid off because they need to be 80% or higher for hospital to run efficiently.

Medicare pays out 5k to hospital for pneumonia patients

13k for pneumonia via covid

39k for covid ventilator patients.

its rigged right there.

the virus is airborne and anti body tests around the world show that its much more prevalent than being told.

Its better to let people get it in summer when flu and colds are down.

If the whole point was slowing it down and not stopping it than lol at people blaming others for somebody getting it cause were all getting it anyway.

How long are you willing to sit at home for a virus that kills people who have 5 years to live.

over 50% of deaths come from nursing homes.

When I am 75 the last thing I want My kids and grandkids to do is play hide and seek from a virus that is not dangerous to them in order to protect me. I will just stay at home If worried. I dont want to wreck their lives just so I have a few more years on this planet.

The left wing media and right wing media play to their own game. The left states that are closed are pandering to their voters and the right states open are pandering to theirs

neither has in depth plans on how to effectively live going forward. They are both embarrasing

so look at the stats in depth. Study every single anti body test, every single fatality rate, etc

research them all worldwide and then plant your answer firmly in the middle.

the middle of the two states that this virus is nothing to shut down this world for anymore going forward. We know who it Mainly kills now. Making an effective plan to protect the people at care centers will be the first step in getting to normalcy. This can be done very simply with isolation and testing of employees and patients. It isnt hard. This eliminates 50-60% of the deaths

Start there and the rest will be ok.

im out. You guys go debate but history will dictate that both the far left and the far right will be wrong.

You isolate ASAP all the patients and employees in care centers(not hard) and open up in full during the summer.

like I said its not your fault

Covid will be but a footnote when we tally up the death and destruction that will come from an extended worldwide depression.

Heck....the number of starvation deaths alone will annihilate covid death itself. Never mind the number of deaths due to untreated illnesses unrelated to covid, drugs, alcohol, abuse and depression.

Sheltering in place will end up costing millions of lives more than the covid will.

covid will hit almost everybody. Its airborne. Most will get before a vaccine is developed if its ever developed.

We wont decrease the amount of deaths if we continue to shelter in place....we will make it 10x worse cause the side effect deaths will be added in top of the covid deaths.

Its not your fault if you sneeze without a mask on in public and a person next to you gets and brings home to grandma who dies

its not your fault. The scientists say 60-70% or more of people will get it in next year even if we isolate

its not your fault

It could of been up there if it just had

better main story
better side quests
better equipment customization
a less barren world
more big dungeons(debatable)
fewer shrines(debatable)

could of been a top 10 game for sure with all that stuff.

LinkPizza posted...

Idk. I had a lot of fun with it. Maybe they dont care about story as much. Idk...

it was a fun game for me for 20 hours.

just not enough depth nor story to keep me going much longer

dont understand the love for BOTW. Im being lenient below as I think most are a slight edge to Witcher I said were equal

combat - equal
visuals - equal
exploration- slight edge botw
story - Witcher times 32 million
replay - equal
inventory - equal

i mean everything is fairly equal. Zelda a slight edge in exploration. But Witcher annihilates it in story. Plus the equipments customization and skill tree is much better.

zelda is good but I quit after 30 hours knowing it was More of same for 50 more hours.

11- attack of clones
10- Last jedi
9- phantom menace
8- revenge of sith
7- rogue one
6 - rise of skywalker
5- new hope
4- solo
3 - force awakens
2- empire strikes back
1- return of Jedi

just based off of popcorn enjoyment for me personally.

ChaoticNeutral posted...

Some traveling Salesman from a Seattle based company decided to drop into our office unannounced. I'm freaking the fuck out. I shook his hand out of courtesy, but washed my hands like 10 times afterwards

I live 2 miles away from the life care center in kirkland wa where all the deaths are occurring.

26 of 29 deaths in state have come from assisted living centers with 21 so far from the one center.

lockdowns are happening in this area soon. Schools closed.

But cmon....relax. its not like this person had Ebola. And its not like Seattle is only place that has it. And the only reason there are so many deaths is cause assisted living places have got hit.

wash hands and relax

and lol to the people who say stop touching face. Damn near impossible as most of the time its subconscious