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TopicTrump said the coronavirus is just going to disappear. TODAY. he said that TODAY
Ooooooranges
07/01/20 10:39:50 PM
#40
Houston posted...
Like I said, life expectancy doesn't necessarily mean an aging population. We'd have to really delve deep into it to figure it out to disprove each other.

This is what is reported now. Do you have specific data from your website that suggests the U.S. also has a very low reporting rate per capita?

Regardless, I think I've made my point. Continuing to assume the U.S. completely failed at this virus compared to other first world countries is just simply false. You can take a position saying we should have done better than everyone, though I'd probably also disagree. But don't say the U.S. completely botched this and that every other first world nation did stunningly well

Your point is worthless. America has an outbreak that is continuing to worsen, whereas the other countries you've referenced have controlled their's. The US has completely failed.

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TopicTrump said the coronavirus is just going to disappear. TODAY. he said that TODAY
Ooooooranges
07/01/20 10:28:45 PM
#37
Houston posted...
This graph is current, up until today, 7/1/2020

Cases that were not tested for.

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TopicTrump said the coronavirus is just going to disappear. TODAY. he said that TODAY
Ooooooranges
07/01/20 9:44:57 PM
#31
Houston posted...
Here ya go, @Darmik

I'd also like to point out that France, UK, and Italy have higher life expectancy than Americans.


This more likely represents a lot of unreported cases in the early outbreak. It's the same reason why NY, NJ, CT, and MA have higher case-fatality rates than the rest of the USA. No first-world country is doing a worse job than America. Italy today reported 182 cases and 21 deaths.

And to add to this, Canada has a higher case-fatality rate than the USA. Does that mean they're handling it worse? Hell no. Use some logic.

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TopicThe EU plans to ban US travelers indefinitely after bad COVID-19 response.
Ooooooranges
06/24/20 12:22:32 AM
#27
EnterTheTekken posted...
I guess they forgot about this little tidbit:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/09/new-york-coronavirus-cases-spread-months-came-europe-study/5120590002/

No I'm sure they know and it's completely irrelevant.

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TopicAmy Klobuchar withdraws from VP consideration
Ooooooranges
06/18/20 11:05:56 PM
#5
TopicDo you think Tucker Carlson should be cancelled?
Ooooooranges
06/13/20 4:22:12 PM
#9
Fox often tends to replace their ousted anchors with people that are even worse.

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TopicAsymptomatic spread of coronavirus is, "very rare," WHO says
Ooooooranges
06/09/20 12:04:00 AM
#7
I've observed a large Covid outbreak recently and the vast majority of patients in the facility were asymptomatic.

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TopicPolice slashing tires because afraid of being hit by parked cars
Ooooooranges
06/08/20 9:01:40 PM
#17
Entirely ignoring the fact that it's mainly the police using their vehicles as deadly weapons. That and right-wing nutjobs.

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TopicIt's police response is pretty ironic and hilarious tbh
Ooooooranges
06/07/20 10:32:48 PM
#5
Sewage posted...
You're clearly just trying to cover for that topic you made earlier about racial profiling. You took it too far. The police aren't one single entity. Those who are taking a knee, joining in on marches, washing feet or whatever else they are doing, just because another cop fucks up doesn't mean the ones who are trying to help didn't do right thing.

Taking a knee then beating people an hour later = still in the wrong

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TopicIt's police response is pretty ironic and hilarious tbh
Ooooooranges
06/07/20 10:24:30 PM
#2
TopicUFC 250 topic
Ooooooranges
06/07/20 12:54:09 AM
#103
TopicLooks like Hydroxychloroquine's back on the menu, boys!
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 11:34:55 PM
#32
HiddenRoar posted...
The onus is on you to prove that hydroxychloroquine is damaging to the heart, as the whole reason that trials were suspended were due to the study claiming it was. WHO and other multinational groups searching for COVID cures wouldn't resume trials if it was conclusive that HCQ causes adverse heart damage.

And the original study did not differentiate cardiac events resulting from HCQ use by age groups. Neither did it claim that hydroxychloroquine was more detrimental to older age groups compared to other groups. What it did claim was cardiac incidents significantly increased among all groups regardless of age or gender.
Disagreeing with the results of a study because it didn't exclusively test a certain population is ignorance at it's finest.

Results of an observational study with a median age group of 60.
In adjusted Cox proportional hazards models, compared with patients receiving neither drug, there were no significant differences in mortality for patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin (HR, 1.35 [95% CI, 0.76-2.40]), hydroxychloroquine alone (HR, 1.08 [95% CI, 0.63-1.85]), or azithromycin alone (HR, 0.56 [95% CI, 0.26-1.21]). In logistic models, compared with patients receiving neither drug cardiac arrest was significantly more likely in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin (adjusted OR, 2.13 [95% CI, 1.12-4.05]), but not hydroxychloroquine alone (adjusted OR, 1.91 [95% CI, 0.96-3.81]) or azithromycin alone (adjusted OR, 0.64 [95% CI, 0.27-1.56]), . In adjusted logistic regression models, there were no significant differences in the relative likelihood of abnormal electrocardiogram findings.


  1. You made the claim that it's not toxic to the heart. So the onus of proof is on you. Hydroxychloroquine already has known cardiac side effecs including QTc prolongation that increases the risk of torsades de pointes. Do you know what a QTc interval is?
  2. Ignorance is thinking that a study done on a group of people at low risk of a specific side effect means you can apply it to all populations. I am not disagreeing with the results of the study; I'm merely saying its incorrect to think that you can extrapolate its results to populations that were not studied. This is a basic principle of resarch.

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TopicLooks like Hydroxychloroquine's back on the menu, boys!
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 9:42:26 PM
#27
HiddenRoar posted...
A total of 1542 patients were randomised to hydroxychloroquine and compared with 3132 patients randomised to usual care alone. There was no significant difference in the primary endpoint of 28-day mortality (25.7% hydroxychloroquine vs. 23.5% usual care; hazard ratio 1.11 [95% confidence interval 0.98-1.26]; p=0.10).

You'd guess that if hydroxychloroquine did result in greater risk of cardiac instances, that they would show in the data, but the lack of significant difference between the groups doesn't support the original study.

As for Boulware,median age was 40, and 35% have reported health conditions, 1 required hospitalization for reasons unrelated to cardiac (no reported arrhythmias), and no deaths. As noted earlier; Side effects were more common with hydroxychloroquine than with placebo (40.1% vs. 16.8%), but no serious adverse reactions were reported.

Also, WHO and other entities are restarting trials examining hydroxychloroquine. So yes, it is back on the menu.

So you can kindly stop posting with your misleading analysis, thanks.

Lmfao. The RECOVERY trial ended early because of how ineffective hydroxychloroquine was. The study did not go to completion, so how can you say that this PROVES (your words) that it's not cardiotoxic? You can say that it wasn't identified in this individual study, but saying that it proves that shows how little you know about analyzing literature.

And the Boulware study - do you think that 40 year olds are more or less likely than 70+ year olds (ie, the people most significantly impacted by Covid and those that would need medications the most) to have serious adverse effects from it? Population studied is very important and this study does not study a population that would be at a high risk for such events.


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TopicHealth experts are saying don't shut down protests in fear of coronavirus
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 8:47:42 PM
#76
Annihilated posted...
Cops: 429
Virus: 111,000

https://killedbypolice.net/kbp2020/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/2020-06-06-coronavirus-news-n1226456

There's a lot more to deaths associated with bad policing than just the incidents in the field.

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TopicLooks like Hydroxychloroquine's back on the menu, boys!
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 8:12:09 PM
#23
HiddenRoar posted...
RECOVERY, and Boulware, D. R. et al.

So the RECOVERY trial was stopped early due to hydroxychloroquine being so ineffective. The study found the mortality rate was higher in the hydroxychloroquine group, though the difference was not statistically significant. I can't find a full data set to analyze to see if they were even powered to look for the assumptions that you're making. All this study does is prove even more hydroxychloroquine is NOT back on the menu.

Boulware, D. R et al. enrolled 821 asymptomatic patients and was a post-exposure prophylaxis trial. The median age was relatively low and the vast majority did not have comorbidities, and so these people are clearly at a much lower risk for developing significant cardiac side effects. This absolutely does not prove that hydroxychloroquine is safe for the heart.

HiddenRoar posted...

If you're going to be this ignorant, please stop posting.

It seems this quote would apply better to you than anyone else. Please stop posting. Thanks.

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TopicLooks like Hydroxychloroquine's back on the menu, boys!
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 7:51:02 PM
#18
HiddenRoar posted...
The original study claimed that hydroxychloroquine is toxic to the heart.

Other studies, better designed a.k.a randomized (controlled), proved that it is not.

If you're going to be this ignorant, please stop posting. It's simple enough to search for reasons why the study was in doubt and ultimately redacted.

Please direct me to studies that showed hydroxychloroquine is not toxic to the heart. Thanks.

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TopicHealth experts are saying don't shut down protests in fear of coronavirus
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 7:10:08 PM
#50
Lockdowns were meant to save lives.

These protests are also about saving lives.

What's the problem exactly?

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TopicTucker Carlson trying to cancel celebrities lmao
Ooooooranges
06/06/20 1:02:12 AM
#4
Of course a white supremacist like Tucker would do this.

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TopicKaren in a car attacks 3 girls cleaning graffiti.
Ooooooranges
06/05/20 4:41:43 PM
#19
eston posted...
Perhaps ask yourself why these random people feel the need to go out and scrub federal buildings. It isn't their job or responsibility, there actually are people whose jobs it is to do this so it's not like they are doing some altruistic act...this is 100% about them being defiant towards BLM

Is it also defiance when protesters help clean up damage caused by riots? I don't get this logic.

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Topic2 weeks later, would you vote Cuomo for president?
Ooooooranges
06/05/20 4:10:47 PM
#4
Over Republicans? Mostly. Over any Democrat? Hell no. He comes off as very authoritarian himself.

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TopicBuffalo Police say this man tripped and fell on his own
Ooooooranges
06/04/20 10:30:58 PM
#66
Cops want protests to stop but they keep doing the sorts of things that caused the protests in the first place. This will not end and people like this better go to f***ing jail for the things they're doing to the public.

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TopicNYC politician: If coronavirus cases spike, blame racism, not protesters.
Ooooooranges
06/04/20 12:48:03 AM
#31
He's just trolling now. You gotta make it less obvious dude.

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TopicSo the autopsy found Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest
Ooooooranges
06/04/20 12:32:34 AM
#55
Given the fact that he kept his knee on him for 2 minutes after he was told Floyd didn't have a pulse is more than enough to convict him for murder.

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TopicSo the autopsy found Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest
Ooooooranges
06/04/20 12:26:26 AM
#50
Killmonger posted...
Is the amount that he allegedly had in his system a lot?

Given how awake he was prior, there's no way the fentanyl was a lot. Hard to comment on the amphetamines though.

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TopicNYC politician: If coronavirus cases spike, blame racism, not protesters.
Ooooooranges
06/03/20 10:19:10 PM
#2
TopicColorado introduces law enforcement accountability act
Ooooooranges
06/03/20 10:15:30 PM
#14
Baby steps. Some of these things have been shown to not reduce killings, though.

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TopicIowa Confederate Sympathizer shitbag Steve King loses primary
Ooooooranges
06/02/20 11:01:37 PM
#13
TopicKinda afraid this will escalate to civil war
Ooooooranges
06/02/20 12:38:23 AM
#22
scorpion41 posted...
Goes waaaaaaay beyond Trump. The 535 jack holes sitting in Congress have more power to right the ship than any president could have. The president is just a scape goat. The protesting, and likely Covid, would be just as bad under Deplorable Hillary or Youre not black enough Biden.

Protesting, sure. But Covid? Gtfo.

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TopicToday is a national embarrassment for Canada
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 10:12:14 PM
#63
Gossipgirl posted...
Is Canada perfect? No. But dont even compare our situations to yours. You people are on a whole other level.

America is like the sleeping elephant of the western world. Every time it turns, everyone else in the bed feels it. And its annoying. I just want my country to get healthy again, especially Montreal. This protest accomplished nothing.

I'm Canadian, genius.

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TopicIs there proof Antifa is doing much of the damage?
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 10:11:13 PM
#2
TopicToday is the 99 year anniversary of the Tulsa Black Wall Street Massacre
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 2:16:49 AM
#2
TopicI give up. I fucking give up
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 2:15:13 AM
#30
The_Bitcoin posted...
alright then lets vote for trump

Youre beyond saving guys

You completely ignored the question.

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TopicToday is a national embarrassment for Canada
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 2:05:57 AM
#13
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46513250

This is not strictly an American issue. Racial bias exists everywhere. I applaud the peaceful protests of Toronto and Vancouver. It's pathetic for you or anyone to label peaceful protesting as an embarrassment.

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TopicToday is a national embarrassment for Canada
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 1:47:57 AM
#5
I would argue it's a day of embarrassment for the joke known as Quebec, not Canada.

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TopicI give up. I fucking give up
Ooooooranges
06/01/20 1:44:24 AM
#15
What is voting Biden in going to do? What change did Obama make to combat this?

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TopicRiots currently downtown in my city
Ooooooranges
05/31/20 12:47:38 AM
#5
Curfew here and now I can't even get ice cream cause everything's closed. Thanks Obama.

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TopicI'm so grateful I don't live in America
Ooooooranges
05/30/20 10:21:56 PM
#9
DifferentialEquation posted...
The riots are pretty much confined to large cities. And even with he all the difficulties right now, we're still by far the best country in the world.

LOL ok bud

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TopicI'm so grateful I don't live in America
Ooooooranges
05/30/20 10:21:40 PM
#8
I'm a Canadian living in the USA. Save me.

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TopicPolice officer who tried to incite rioting/vandalism has been identified
Ooooooranges
05/30/20 12:36:44 AM
#24
Don't post this trash. Random junk on Twitter isn't a valid source. The guy could be innocent and this could ruin his entire life.

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TopicPreliminary autopsy report of George Floyd DOESNT support asphyxiation diagnosis
Ooooooranges
05/30/20 12:33:54 AM
#147
abaddon41_80 posted...
This is exactly why the report states, "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

I am not defending the officer of wrongdoing by any means. My argument is against the people who repeatedly mention Floyd was "strangled" or that the officer "kneeling on Floyd's neck." If this report is to be believed, these are sensationalized and arguably factually incorrect statements.

The officer was in the wrong for not attending to Floyd as soon as he started saying he was having trouble breathing. The officer was really in the wrong for continuing to not do anything once Floyd seemingly passed out. He should be charged with some form of manslaughter based on how he handled this situation but the evidence does not support charging him with 1st or 2nd degree murder.

The autopsy report states specifically that he wasn't 'traumatically' asphyxiated or strangled. Traumatic vs non-traumatic is a big difference. So it's incorrect for you to say that he wasn't strangled or asphyxiated as the autopsy report only specified it wasn't done traumatically.


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TopicWhy aren't you out protesting?
Ooooooranges
05/30/20 12:07:24 AM
#34
TopicAre you against the consumption of dog meat?
Ooooooranges
05/29/20 12:01:08 AM
#14
I'd never eat it but I won't criticize someone if they do. Animals are animals.

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TopicCop says it's Unfortunate that MORE Black People didn't DIE from COVID-19!!
Ooooooranges
05/28/20 11:47:57 PM
#6
He literally commented before the lady. What is he even responding to? Or am I missing something?

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TopicCoronavirus 19: "An Incalculable Loss"
Ooooooranges
05/28/20 11:44:12 PM
#167
abaddon41_80 posted...
Or because the flu, between 291k and 646k, and AIDS, between 570k and 1.mil, have both likely killed more in the past year than COVID-19. When, or if, the COVID-19 deaths exceed the high-end estimate for even the flu is when people might start taking it more seriously. I doubt the worldwide death toll will ever exceed AIDS but I do not see anyone on this message board talking about what should be done to slow down AIDS.

You do realize that flu numbers are estimates, right? Covid-19 numbers are confirmed. And coronavirus hasn't been here even close to a year. Some countries are either intentionally underreporting, or just unable to cope and accurately report their deaths. Also, Covid has already killed more people in 2 months in the USA than the flu did in all of 2018.

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TopicMinecraft Dungeons is pretty meh
Ooooooranges
05/27/20 11:56:22 PM
#4
TopicCan't wait for gyms to open so I can nearly pass out in a mask
Ooooooranges
05/27/20 9:37:22 PM
#13
REMercsChamp posted...
You shouldn't do hard exercise with a mask on you restrict your breathing and can cause a heart attack among other things

lol

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TopicMy covid hazard pay bonus is ending
Ooooooranges
05/26/20 9:16:57 PM
#15
I'm a doctor (still in fellowship training), and I received $200 once in March. Since then, just thank yous.

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TopicOur Covid icu cases are increasing again
Ooooooranges
05/26/20 6:06:59 PM
#36
abaddon41_80 posted...
I respect that opinion. If you are part of an at-risk group, you should take steps to avoid close contact with other people. You still shouldn't consider this a death sentence if you somehow do become infected. Even among people under 70 with pre-existing conditions, the mortality rate is under 10%. High enough that you should absolutely try to avoid it but still much better odds that you will live if you become infected.

A lot of at-risk people will not be able to do such things if, for example, their jobs require them to come back and they're at risk of being fired if they don't.

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