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I remember when there was a shitstorm that FFXIII was just going to the Xbox 360. No deals or anything. People had bought their PS3's in anticipation of it being exclusive and got angry when it wasn't. Even though the 360 was market leader at the time.

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It would be an incredibly aggressive move that would piss off a lot of people. But it does put them in a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Japanese games will probably go to PlayStation by default and Sony are also willing to pay for timed exclusivity as an extra incentive. But if Microsoft ever went aggressive and made a deal for their own platform they'd have to deal with a shitstorm while Sony does not. Solely because of that history with Japanese developers.

Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive seemed to kind of work okay back in the day but I guess that was a different time.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

And Bungie has been multiplatform for a while, even partnering with ActiBlizz.

Destiny has had several timed exclusive content with PlayStation. So that comparison already exists.

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cmiller4642 posted...

Considering Sony probably paid Square millions to do the FF7 remake in the 1st place...

Based on what?

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Yeah, because it makes sense to give a 1 year exclusivity to the worst selling console in Japan, notorious for not having any JRPGS

I mean technically yeah it does. Because of the reasons you said lol.

I don't think it should be timed exclusive to anyone though. It's always dumb.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

How would people react if the next Halo was PS exclusive for a year? Not a 1-to-1 but pretty close.

Not really. Final Fantasy has been multiplatform for over a decade now. The games sell well on Xbox too.

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People seemed to hate Jack in Lost but I always liked him.

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It doesn't seem to be a big deal that PlayStation got it.

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I remember the flamethrower in Gears 3 had an execution where they'd shove the flamethrower up their ass and ignite them from the inside.

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MadDewg posted...

My older bro rented it from a blockbuster back when dragonball z airing on toonami did not go past the goku vs recoome beatdown since funimation was still working on dubbing more episodes. We didn't know who the hell the future characters were since dragonball z was still new to all of us, and we didn't get into the whole buying dragonball z vhs from some shady store in the mall thing yet, lmao. Pretty sure we were all like, who the fuck is a cell, this small pink majin buu thing, pan, and why does vegeta have blond hair. WTF is a great ape baby, etc. It was a crazy time for a new dragonball fan because of toonami I tell ya'.

The game totally sucked ass, but man the music (still have to go listen to cell and trunk's themes from time to time), and that opening, was really good.

Pan was Gohan's daughter right? That seemed to be a thing I remember. I never watched GT so that's the only place I would have known that from.

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Oh man I haven't seen that Dragon Ball GT intro in years.

Pretty sure I played that game while DBZ was still airing so it was like looking into the future haha

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They're announcing a Sonic thing on the 20th of every month for all of this year.

The January announcement was that they're announcing a Sonic thing on the 20th of every month for all of this year.

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That's probably because your memories of how PS2 games played aged better than they actually have heh.

I don't particularly remember issues with the controls when I played it on PS3 outside of the wonky grip meter.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOk2Qjs1v4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRR39NsdNdg

You'd watch them the first time you'd boot the game up and then never again.

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Also damn this gen was tough on 2D games. They were really considered dated at that time which is sort of ironic since they generally are pretty timeless.

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Balrog0 posted...

I recently got on a GameCube kick. Tbh I didn't notice it too much but I think I chose games specifically for playability (wanted to play 4p with the bros)

I definitely noticed it with metal arms, which is the game closest to what your talking about

I'll give Nintendo credit that their games generally age pretty good. Thinking about it most first party games from that era aged pretty decently for the most part. It's more stuff like Killzone and Brute Force that didn't.

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Jabodie posted...

GTA games have some questionable controls imo lol

Lots of third person games used similar lock-on mechanics. Some did a better job than GTA but it's still pretty awkward.

I really liked Second Sight and 007 Everything or Nothing but I think about those control schemes and I just dunno if they're worth playing heh.

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AnthonyFantano posted...

TimeSplitters

I hated the flamethrower in Timesplitters 2. Absolutely pointless. Alt-fire on the grenade launcher was better to set people on fire. If you used the standard flamethrower people would just run into you and you'd both be on fire.

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I'm playing through some classic Splinter Cell at the moment. That has 'X' to toggle an aim mode and you need to hold absolutely still to even shoot in the direction of what you're aiming for. Even then there's no guarantee. The controls for the game have actually aged pretty well compared to a lot of them too.

The games tutorial stresses you to hide bodies in dark places but you can see people get confused that bodies they have left behind are discovered despite no guards being around. The game itself scans for bodies being left out in the open when you progress in the level. But since the game doesn't outright spell that out to you people get frustrated.

I find it fine though because I learned all of this as a kid. Same with Hitman 2 and how those mechanics work. But I get how people find it frustrating these days because the concept of failure and punishment isn't all that common in games like this nowadays.

Oh yeah that was the generation where escort missions were punishing as hell too.

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DevsBro posted...

OMG WAI KENT I SEE DA PORES ON MAI DOODS NEKK DIS GAEM IS TURRBs!

I think visuals do the job fine.

The biggest hurdle are the control schemes. People are so used to games controlling similar. Back then two games in the same genre could control extremely differently. Especially third person shooters.

That and checkpoints being punishing.

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It seems like they tend to work better in 2D and top down games.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

sadly the flamethrower is way too OP in alien isolation

That's a good one. But even in that case it's good because you're scaring off the alien and not killing it.

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Usually they're close range, low stopping power and you often risk yourself with fire damage.

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As acclaimed as that generation of games are on forums like this when push comes to shove most of these games would be considered unplayable these days or just not worth it.

There are exceptions obviously (Halo, DMC3, God of War etc.) but even most of those rely on being familiar with games of that era.

You can see this for most long running franchises that gained their popularity after the PS2 era. People don't recommend you to start with Hitman 2. They recommend Blood Money. The Witcher is considered too dated to play for people who started with Witcher 3. And that came out when games were becoming more modern.

I went to an Ubisoft Experience in Sydney and nobody had progressed past the tutorials in Splinter Cell or Prince of Persia Sands of Time when I got there late in the day.

I still love it but I'm very tolerant for old control schemes and playstyles. That seems like a big ask these days. Even something like Timesplitters 2 would be hard to get into for people who are used to COD.

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Correct_Facts posted...

It's not open world? It's advertised as such.

Where?

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No. It's not really like it at all. It's not even an open world game. It just has some open levels.

Fallout didn't invent nuclear wasteland settings either.

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I know it's a cliche response but nothing beats Streets of Rage 2 for me.

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Like do you think the DS, Wii and Switch are conservative or..?

Sega died because they did dumb shit like Genesis add ons and surprise launching the Saturn. Dreamcast was ahead of its time but it was too little and too late. Their demise had nothing to do with pushing the industry forward. Plenty of companies manage to do that (including Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft) without nearly going bankrupt.

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I don't see the point of turning it off docked. It would still draw power.

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Nintendo also let indie developers use the Zelda license to make Cadence of Hyrule.

Any competition between Mario and Sonic or Nintendo vs Sega isn't going to do Sega any favours lol

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SiO4 posted...

I am talking about Sega as a whole, not just with Sonic.
Nintendo never pushed the envelope, they play it safe, and so they put out the same, samey games for Three Decades.

I don't know where you've been but all Sega does these days is publish Atlus games, publish PC RTS games, pump out Yakuza games, ports and remakes and port old games to Steam. Now and again they fart out a Sonic game but they usually suck.

Sega haven't pushed any envelopes since they merged with Sammy which was nearly two decades ago.

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SiO4 posted...

They way they handled the old and the new was fantastic.

Sega suffered from always pushing the envelope.
Nintendo thrived on playing it safe and resting on their laurels.

Eh? Lost World and Forces didn't push any envelopes and they're still bad games. All of the good Sonic games in the last decade played it safe.

Mario has added stuff like 4 player coop, a level editor and a possession mechanic and they are awesome games.

They're just in different leagues. People don't expect much from Sonic games and they still disappoint more often than not. Mario is at the top of the genre.

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SiO4 posted...

Sonic Generations is solid.

It's also nearly a decade old

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Look at it this way. New Super Mario Bros U's biggest problem was that it looked too similar to older games. So nobody overly cares about it.

Sonic Mania was basically this and was the best Sonic game in years.


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Gurifisu posted...

I'd say it's not too far off of a comparison considering there are plenty of cheaper alternatives that do exactly what is necessary for those who use them. People are paying extra for additional cameras and features that they don't use or that aren't imperative to their everyday life. There's nothing stopping you from using a credit card to buy a console. Plenty of retailers offer credit of their own. Not having the cash in hand isn't really an excuse any more unless you don't have a credit card.

Sure but I don't think gaming consoles are as much of a priority compared to smartphones for most people. I know people who don't care about tech at all who still buy expensive iPhones.

Crepes posted...

Is there any reason to buy a PS5 at lunch? I didnt get one for two years last time.

Maybe not? It'll probably be able to play PS4 games better (at the very least match the Pro) so that's something.

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If Mario manages to get decent reviews that movie is gonna be a hit too. Especially if it looks as appealing to families as the Despicable Me movies did.

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tremain07 posted...

The cartoons are pretty popular too even if CN actively tried to kill Boom, the little mini cartoons on youtube have alot of positive reception even the ones with non classic characters

Sonic does seem to be popular on YouTube and mobile storefronts.

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Gurifisu posted...

Yeah, I can't say I'd expect that price point to scare casuals away. Especially considering how many iPhone and other 1k+ phone owners you've got out there.

I don't know if this is really a fair comparison. People use their phone everyday and often get them on a contract.

A whole chunk of people buy a console for sports games and the odd game like COD or GTA. Some people might not even buy more than a handful of games. For them $499 is a big ask. These probably aren't the people who bothered with a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X.

But the launch period isn't really the time to focus on casuals anyway. They're probably gonna wait for price drops.

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It does make me wonder how successful an actual good big budget Sonic game would be. They haven't managed to do that in a long time.

Crash N-Sane Trilogy was a huge hit. I think people just don't fall for mediocre crap anymore. I'd be there day one if a Sonic game got an 80+ Metacritic rating.

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This is the most shocking development since it turned out that Crash Bandicoot was still popular.

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I'm booking $450-499 unless Microsoft goes extremely aggressive in an attempt to undercut Sony. But they already have Lockhart for that. So I dunno if that incentive is there.

Microsoft are offering consoles on a subscription now as well but I have no idea how popular that is.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

And infact Maher is going to vote for him.

darkphoenix181 posted...

"But hey, I will happily vote for him if he is the winning bidder,"

If he is the 'winning bidder'

Isn't that a joke anyway

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spikethedevil posted...

PS3 was the equivalent of $850 at the time in the UK.

It went up to $999AUD in Australia. It was crazy. In comparison the high end model of the 360 was $650.

It gained a lot of momentum once the slim model hit. I got mine for free with a Sony TV.

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SwayM posted...

Sea of Theives is a game that CE wouldnt even admit has 5 minutes of enjoyable content in ANY other topic. But its so fuckin funny watching CE rush to use it as a primitive example of one of the 3 games in existence thats attempted to make a multiplayer game that lets you physically move, interact and store things on a ship that is also moving.

lol CE legit thinks theyve seen this in other games but they dont even understand what theyre looking at

CE is generally out of touch with social focused multiplayer games. On top of that Sea of Thieves is an Xbox/Windows Store exclusive. If Star Citizen is like this you're asking them to compare a game they've likely lost interest in to games they aren't interested in.

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I think pre-builts aren't as expensive as they used to be so it really depends person to person if it's worth it. It does save time.

But you learn a lot about how your computer ticks if you build it yourself too. Stuff like adding in a new internal drive or replacing the GPU is easy if you build it yourself.

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CrocodileCannon posted...

How much better is a SSD. A build someone recommended has both, but with the monitor I need I am over $1000 and I was shooting for the $800 range.

Is 500 gb on SSD enough for my entire computer do I need the 1TB HDD with that?

An SSD is worth it. The boot up and loading times are super quick. They will likely become a minimum requirement in the next couple of years since next gen consoles have them.

You could always go for a 500GB SSD and add a HDD or another SSD later.

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The Gravity Rush system of flying and hovering by pressing right trigger could be fun.

A branching narrative depending on how good a hero you are would be cool too.

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A proper Matrix game could be awesome.

I suppose Control is probably gonna be the closest we'll get.

The universe is cool enough that I did get some enjoyment out of Enter the Matrix.

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Gurifisu posted...

That's almost as long as the wait between Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace lol. Sometimes you don't always need new stuff from a franchise.

The prequels (and the re-releases leading up to them) were a gateway to the older movies for a whole new audience and did revitalise the franchise as a whole. So maybe they were still worth it.

I wonder how many teenagers these days have even bothered watching The Matrix.

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The Matrix is still a really cool concept so worst case scenario people will talk about how good the first movie was again.

I'd be shocked if the movie doesn't at least manage to have some crazy action scenes.

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