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Honorable Mention #1
Hyperdevotion Noire: Goddess Black Heart

Is this game good? I don't really think so but I had an amusing time with aspects of the game. I think the parody thing they have going with this game is not bad. But having recently started the actual Neptunia series it really highlighted this games flaws. While the hub in this title and characters you recruit are parodies of gaming series and animoo culture the actual campaign is more void of jokes. Instead you play as uh you? Fanserviced into the game as this invisible character who serves to fawn over Noire. So the campaign really uh just parodies bad manga and slice of life anime? I dunno it seems very strange considering how full on insane the main Neptunia game is. When the main series is so hyper focused at dropping as many gaming jokes and even self referential jokes as it can Noires game shows its true colors a bit.

The actual game plays like a decently easy FF Tactics clone except until the back half of the game when the difficulty suddenly spikes. At that point only the Goddess characters really matter because they can transform from a normal powerful state to near unstoppable for 3 turns. A lot of this game will be about attacking with one unit next to another unit to build up ....kiss...points so that characters can constantly unleash their limit breaks. Early on it really isn't necessary but yeah that back quarter of the game is weirdly difficult. The kissing animation takes forever so I disabled it immediately but the game at least tries to service its fan service to you on the near constant. So props for doing the job you set out to do.

The main plot consists of Noire losing her stocks or shares for her Playstation land. She suspects its the other goddess are behind it but nope its the main bad guy from the first Neptunia game, I guess this is a what if scenario of the first game? The game has you then recruit a bunch of soldiers to your cause. In the main Neptunia series these characters at least from the first game seem to be based on different game developers and publishers, in Goddess Black Heart every character is based on a franchise. I like this idea and it really led to some interesting portrayals that I of course will break down cause these were fun

Lee-Fi: Shes chun li in looks but is an amalgam for all the street fighter character personalities. Super powerful techniques but very little MP

Lid: Shes Snake but she hides in a box cause shes afraid of social contact. Wasn't a fan not enough metal gear references, she also sucks in battle.

Resta: Had 0 clue where she was from, Wikipedia says shes an Agarest War parody...K? Shes a white mage and the games best healer

Estelle: Representing DQ she mainly just fights with the below character. Shes kinda whatever

Ein Al: She looks like tidus, shes a bit better than Estelle in combat. Yeah neither make enough references for my liking

Poona: Holy crap this character is annoying as hell. All her voice clips are just moaning. Shes an opoona reference, you know that gcn game you didn't play. Unfortunately shes a must as her spells are the strongest in the damn game and shes a great healer. dohhhhhh

Moru: Representing Monster Hunter, she does make a lot of references. But yeah cat girl means cat girl speech. :|. Shes strong but has no defense.

Ai Masujima: Based off idolmaster I guess? Her spells are so close range I barely used her

Ryuka: Representing Yakuza she uh doesnt really feel like Kiryu or Majima just some drunken mafia woman. Shes another glass cannon character

Blossom: A Sakura Wars rep, another low powered unit

Tsunemi: The Hatsune Miku character, she has some really devastating attacks but shes a close range unit which is fine until the last arc of levels where you want to be at maximum distance for safety

Wyn: Had to look up shes a Winning Eleven parody, she has some good distance stuff. Boring character though

Lady Wac: Its Pac Man! or Ms Pacman! Either way she has a lot of great lines, very very powerful unit

Generia G: Super Robot Wars I guess? Shes a mid tier unit

Saori: Wikipedia says something called Tokimeki Memorial, shes obsessed with love and shes not good. Bench

Vio: Based off Resident Evil, shes a fantastic unit and one of the few that can poison

Sango: Dynasty Warriors rep, shes a powerhouse unit but boring

Little Rain : Wikipedia says Neverland whatever that is, shes very whiny but her heals are good....except they take like all her MP


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2019 Edition!

ALSO SPOILER WARNING IN THIS TOPIC THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. SO IF YOU SEE IM TALKING ABOUT SEXY RPG FIGHTERS 4: THE QUEST FOR ELIXIRS KNOW THERE WILL BE SPOILERS ABOUT THAT GAME. BE SAFE

I've always wanted to do this kinda topic, and my disastrous FE Fates project was good prep how to do it. I love RPGS and no matter how many you play you never feel its enough, and well they take a lot of time which is a turnoff to many.

This won't cover ever RPG, its not possible thats why its MY top list. BUT anything I haven't played feel free to suggest, I'm always open to ideas just no promises I'll like said game.

So what this list will have or be:
-WRPGS, JRPGs, SRPGS, Action RPGS, Souls-like games

This list will not have:
-Zelda (voted by B8 as no)
-Metroidvanias (voted by B8 as no)
-Legend of Heroes Trails in the Sky (I am currently playing this BUT I like to sit on rpgs and let some time pass before ranking them. So expect this for 2020s version if the world doesn't end)
-Xenoblade Chronicles 1 (Didn't want to play it on Wii, the 3DS version looked like hell to play, was hoping this would happen and yea I'll be jumping into it)
-Trials of Mana and FF7 Remake (Didn't buy yet expect for 2020 version)

Sub things I'll be doing in this
-Worst 10 rpgs i've played
-5 Honorable Mentions
-Favorite RPG protags
-Favorite RPG Villains
-Worst RPG Protags
-Worst RPG Villains
-Favorite love interests

So yeah please guess what will end up where!

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17th oof

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MMX has beaten Chasm

Yea sorry I picked this but glad I'm done with it. Great looking sprite work and animation but literally no music but hums, bad design, boring bosses, and bland abilities that dont get started until 4ish hours in on a 6-7 hr game.

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Once I got past the bad fake wall design I've coasted in like an hour thru 2 areas. I have just 1 big area and then the final boss to do tomorrow. Should beat this easily now that im past bad game design

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AC odyssey

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is the top the new? I hope cause that looks better

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save

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Gato Raboto is under 2 hrs i hear for those interested

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@th3l3fty will it wasnt higgins!

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THEY TOOK OUR JOBS

Mmos? Ass creed? Zeldoes?

not in my country!


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Without ruining anything, no their names never stick but thats kinda the charm about it.

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never finishing it this month but plan is still to beat this

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Nominate Gato Raboto

Chasms been a trip, I'm back to doing the garden stage. This seeds been better having started after the latest patch but its still a trip

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bump

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Is it just me or is Joss Whedon just not great at comic books? And I know all about Avengers Arena. Just a wretched idea.

Also, nothing tonight! Will resume tomorrow!

Hes about taking established stories/characters and spitting all over them. Joss Whedon also had kitty pryde phase A SPACE BULLET thru the planet to kill her off.

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bump looking to play more today

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The first story arc (By that i mean you'll get a definite end and skippage of time) of Runaways is good, the seconds good too....then it goes to hell right around the time Joss Whedon takes over. The series gets passed around getting worse and worse until it abruptly ends and marvel tried killing excess teen characters off in a battle royale book. About twoish years ago it got revived and its been back to what made it so good.

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Important if anyone plays Chasm

There is a puzzle with a 3 number lock combo that is tied to rooms with art. In the latest patch its supposed to spawn a single art room with the answer but I got 2 art rooms instead with no 3rd for my answer and had to bruteforce

Otherwise I beat the Catacomb boss and got the slide

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hype

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good riddance

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Actual progress
I managed to finish the case 2 intial investigation. Athena + Apollo is a better working relationship than Athena + Phoenix. they have no chemistry as characters

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Bumping not gonna get back to this likely til weekend

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Lvl 11 in Chasm two bosses down. The game is slow but if you like metroidvanias you'll get into this one. Its not my favorite but I'm enjoying it

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Remember: X X Y

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1st Benny

Benny is one of the strongest units in the game...and I don't know why or how! Everytime I thought Benny was toast he just ate damage like a champ, sometimes being ganged up on by 4 or 5 units cause I'm a bad strategist and he'd somehow live and take a few out. I don't play on perma death mode, sorry FE purists, and I never had Benny fall in battle. He just keeps going sluggishly 2 or 3 squares at a time.

Benny is the gentle giant, people think the worst of him or think he wrestled bears when hes just the chillest dude. I guess in some respects hes just here to serve a laugh in conversations, hes not great at them I'll admit. But the fact that people realize by the end Benny is just this gentle soul who loves nature is repeatedly a good moment

People continue to stereotype the man even in the ending trying to make him a captain and soldier trainer but he bails to live amongst the forest creatures in peace. If you have a female Corrin he marries her and people are terrified of him until they realize how hes the kindest soul that ever lived.

Yeah their are deeper characters on my list , their are stronger characters, their are even better designed characters. But none of them have the true pure good vibes this character does in what ends up being a splintered story told across 3 versions for $$$ that only makes sense if you play all three versions in a specific order. In a better Fire Emblem he wouldn't be #1 but having something grounded, sane, and reliable to turn too in a cast of castoffs and misfits is a comforting note to end on.

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And thats it, the 4 month project is done. Get your torches, set fire to everything.

Next time I'll be back with my top 100 rpgs (that I've played) of all time


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2nd Selena

Heres the funny thing, I don't think Severa is good in Awakening. Shes kinda boring and entirely has an inferiority complex surrounding her mother. Something changes on her journey to Fates, and she ends up being a retainer like the other awakening kids that end up here. The difference with her is she seems to be using her experience from Awakening while the other two are in denial (Odin) or just not capable of real maturity (Laslow).

She honestly has some of the best dialog in the game, including getting Odin to shutup with his insanity and get serious in what might be the only time I've ever seen that happen in Fates or Awakening. Hes not the only one, characters she gets to interact with really open up to her more than most characters. A lot of these units from a dialog/story perspective only have one or two reasonable matches. Selena matches with almost everyone.

Yea despite her fiery personality she ends up using that not to be a pain in characters sides but uses it to break down their walls. The reasons shes not my #1 here is she is an average fighter. She is a unit that hits a peak midgame and just stops doing great damage, she doesnt die instantly but shes barely worth putting out to fight.

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Also this got me looking at her a bit more from Awakening and why did all the child units in that game get unique endings depending on their spouse when everyone in Fates ending is so lazy


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3rd Selkie

You might have your jaw on the floor here. Get the torches out boys and girls.

I encountered Selkie in both games she ended up being absolutely the best damn unit in the game. She has insane growth rates, insane luck, and is really near unkillable. Once I got Selkie, she basically patted Corrin on the head and said I'm Delete Button.

Her design is very clean, reminds me of the Final Fantasy Viera race except you know a fox mixed with red riding hoods clothing. So why Selkie here? Well shes boosted like hell by her battle skills but shes a fun free spirit. Even in her ending she never truly settles down. She can't be tamed, but not in a rawr i'm feral way, shes just a fun loving girl....girl fox thing.

Shes an impulsive character and does get herself into trouble, but she ends up helping these characters she accidentally wrongs. She shows her loyalty in repayment of wrongs or favors. Yeah shes a character that wants to have fun in a cast of misfits.

The funny thing is she wants to go meet the other Kitsunes and discusses this at times but her ending doesn't point to this. Somewhere in this mess of a game you get the impression that she finds 'her pack' amongst this army, but being a child character lol on that development.


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Kenri posted...

Also willing to kill a subordinate who won the entire war bloodlessly for him!

But yeah that aside, Leo is pretty good. Fates would have been better if it was about him and Takumi, without Corrin being around at all.

shooters shoot. :P

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xp1337 posted...

Hinoka, Leo, and Elise are the good royals.

Sakura and maybe Ryoma on a good day are "okay"

Xander, Camilla, and Takumi need to go away.

Edit: I think I may have said this in the original topic but eh, we can do with a refresher I suppose.

Sakuras real issue is shes young as hell and lacks confidence in herself. I stand by that in a sequel setting a few years down the line shed be a well liked character if they progressed her maturity

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4th Kaze

Kaze falls into a literal strange situation in Birthright where he just outright randomly dies. I heard you can save him but uh well didn't know that til much later. Its a very sudden death and it shocked me as I was really into this cool ninja dude. Hes also the only character to surprise me in joining, wasn't expecting his join in Conquest. So most of my experience is based on Conquest and Revelations with him.

I feel like Saizo might be the slightly better ninja in battle but my Kaze was no slouch either. Kazes conversations arent groundbreaking but he listens to those he has dialog with, doesn't try to make them about himself. When others force the attention on him, he quickly tries to change the subject because his satisfaction really isn't what matters to him. He attracts all the village women because he puts kindness first, he lives to protect as evidenced when he throws his life away in my Birthright playthru out of freaking nowhere.

In his endings no records of him exist but the tales and legends of the people of the world have more to say than any official record. Its proof that his way of life left a mark with the people of the Fates world, unlike Azura who no one believes existed or really damn cares.


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5th Leo

Our final royal family character is Leo. Why Leo above everyone? Even Hinoka that I just super praised? Well he edges her out just barely here. Leo is a very smart character and relatively more deep than other one note Royals. He forgoes the sword because he knows he'll never be better than Xander and instead takes up magic becoming in story one of the most powerful mages, and honestly in battle hes one of the better mages despite mages getting big shafts in this game.

Leos encountered in all 3 games. In Birthright you have a cool duelish map with him in the forest at that which point he puts faith into you, something only the too naive to live Elise does. He makes his choice working out whats really going on. Its surprising as they let you perceive this character as head strong like his brother but its not the case.

Hes also the only Royal family member willing to just outright kill those who are dishonorable. While Takumi runs from his darkness, Leo embraces it but doesn't let it rule him.

Most of his conversations are approached with wisdom in mind. Really what falters him on this ranking like Hinoka is his lack of battle survival & power. The characters above here manage to have great design, are good in battle, and have interesting characters. Or you can just imagine we make him one of those broken dark falcon classes and hes instant #1

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6th Hinoka

Hinoka is a character that I quickly wrote off but began to like more and more as I delved into her conversations. Shes the second oldest of Hoshida royalty and has that blame herself for Corrins kidnapping issue going on. There is a lot to her though she has more relationship/connections to characters in pre Fates history than others, or at least willing to speak of it. She has some of the best conversations with the Nohr royalty in Revelations, and at the end of Conquest shes even proclaimed Queen. Actually her main story stuff is pretty good no matter the route. In Battle though shes a pegasus knight and they can be good and also easy targets. Shes super headstrong but shes a character that gets over it (for characters that really dont see most of the royal family on either side!)


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7th Saizo

Saizo is a beast of a ninja unit and honestly might be the best for battle. His design is the badass one eyed battleworn ninja who lost his eye searching for his fathers killer. Saizo has some wonderful dialog with other units but his hold back is he gets super aggressive with units that he should have well better conversations with. Like his Azura conversations are downright nutty considering Azura has been living with the royals for years. Its this anti social and strange behavior that bring him down some, but his intelligence in other conversations really props him right back


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8th Shigure

This is yet another character of, my parent had wasted potential but I do great at having a personality and not squandering my time. For a child unit he yes gets limited time onscreen and limited conversations, but Shigure is honestly the mostly knightly character in the game. Its just hes not afraid to have a gasp personality so he showcases his caring side and love of singing. Hes also the only child to have all of his deeprealm servants be slaughtered, and it does actually effect him. Most of the characters are about their drama moment but hes the only one to be hurt that they were killed and he survived. In battle hes the most dependable flying unit but hes still fragile

Unrelated to him but

"Records of his life are the only proof that Azura truly existed." always irks me though, Fire emblem has some shitty scholars.


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foolm0r0n posted...

How about Timespinner?

It's the one game that feels actually 50% Metroid 50% Castlevania

Timespinner is literally a Castlevania Sotn tribute, it even copies an area and has a song cover lol

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9th Kagero

The Boob Ninjas actual greatest asset is shes a really dependable ninja unit. She has a well sexy ninja design thats hard to hate to accompany her reliability. For me Kagero is the jrpg character that usually opens up halfway thru the game, the Sable to the other Ables (Animal Crossing references!). Except we don't learn enough, just really about her fascination with art and paintings. Shes a calm individual and a lot of her conversations show how lonely her Ninja life is.


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Top 10!

10th Siegbert

Siegbert has a terrible name but aside from that hes a super power unit being Xanders child. The difference here is I actually like this guy and he doesnt just sneak high for being strong. You could have told me had Fates been more popular and he got his own spinoff game, I wouldn't be surprised. Hes a lord who isn't above fighting on the front lines and who fights for his friends. Huh weird seems familiar.

For being a child character this character has a more complex relationship with his own sense of self. If there wasn't some rule mainline FE characters need blue or red hair you could throw this guy in. My only issue with him is his conversation with his own father is him just kissing his fathers ass.


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11th Midori

Midori is Kazes daughter and shes pretty adorable. But a lot of that is her personality. Her fascination with medicine is similar to say Hayato or Orochi except shes not a scumbag. Midori was a unit that ended up being pretty good for me once I steered her to Ninja and away from her base class of Merchant/Bad Healer. As one of the children she doesnt get a ton of dialog but hers isnt wasted and her desire to help others comes thru in her potion work. Whether they work or not is to be determined,


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12th Ignatius

I guess people don't like him? Hes a beast of a unit, his designs a bit too pretty boy for me but I really dug this characters personality. Hes a kind character like his father with the aspect he is willing to throw his life down to protect the weak. He is afraid of bugs, and the supernatural though so he isn't long for a fire emblem world.


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greengravy294 posted...

Soleil is a failure of a daughter

Don't speak her name!

haha FE Awakening humor

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13th Hana

Hana is a side character anyway you look at her being a retainer. She starts this game over protective of Sakura but thru her conversations shes one of the few characters to actually be challenged by other characters to grow and even gets an ending of going her own way while keeping her friendship to Sakura. I know its minor, and Hana is a low ranking unit. But I geniunely liked her and really shes the kinda jrpg character I want in my party. What did Ryoma learn this game? Don't be racist towards Nohr? In a game of characters set in their ways she isn't.


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14th Soleil

Soleil is a lot like her father Laslow but shes more proactive in wanting to do good and help people. Honestly shes the one side character who could easily star in her own womanizing rpg. You don't get a lot of her but she has a great design and well like her father shes not the best unit.


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15th Laslow

Laslow has the weird benefit of being an Awakening character who got developed slightly and then gets fleshed out here. Hes an interesting character and even goes into some real dark moments with certain characters (Beruka for one). The issue is hes a womanizer so they need to tell us that by wasting most of his conversations on it. The other downside is he kinda blows in battle, but hey hes likeable.


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16th Kaden

Kaden doesn't really fit into the main story well, and his reasoning for joining you is extremely vague. Hes a beast, literally, in battle and is a lot like the Keaton unit except nearly unstoppable. Hes also a really pleasant character in almost any conversation because of his happy free living attitude. In a sea of super cereal units that are blind to the truth, Kaden is a refreshing breath of fresh air.


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17th Ryoma

Ryoma is very similar to Xander. They are both delete buttons in their respective versions, and very strong units in Revelations. Both have cool designs, both are kinda stiff and angry. But both are family oriented. The difference is at least Ryoma is willing to talk to anyone.


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ZeldaTPLink posted...

What is up with the daily "Is X an RPG polls"?

Gonna be doing a top 100 rpgs that I've played topic with the plan to do a yearly edition. So I'm eliminating B8 from bickering about XYZ I include by weeding out the complaints in these topics

Zelda: out (though botw maybe in?)
Souls: in
Metroidvania: currently split


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18th Xander

One of the strongest units in Conquest and a pretty strong one in Revelations. Xander has a great look, lots of power but hes a real unlikeable dude. His most interesting interactions are with his own family where his caring side is shown, otherwise I really enjoyed his conversations with the Hoshida royal family. Unfortunately those below him in nobility get garbage convos. And well main plotline hes kinda a dick in all 3 stories.

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19th Effie

Effie is one of my favorite characters in fates at times but also not? So heres the deal shes a monster in battle which is great, her designs interesting but her personalitys a bit unexciting at times. There are characters she really has great conversations with but others devolve into literally just raging at characters that *might* hurt Elise. I guess cause they didn't really sex her up til heroes she was cast as not worth the time to write for


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20th Asugi

He lost some points for me with his dad stuff but I liked him quite a bit. The ninjas just ended up being a lot more pleasant character wise than the royals when it came down to it. And for the children he is one of the better units, I made some great use with him in battle. His design though is a bit similar to his father Saizo


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