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The economy is so great, Trump might cut entitlements

Not until after the election, Im sure
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So yeah I do agree that Tucker helps us understand Trumps base
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Tucker Carlson:

Our leaders demand that you shut up and accept this. We have a moral obligation to admit the world's poor, they tell us, even if it makes our own country poorer, and dirtier, and more divided.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/racism-made-dove-out-tucker-carlson/584746/

In one 2006 recording, Carlson says that although I hate the war I just have zero sympathy for them [Iraqis] or their culture. A culture where people just dont use toilet paper or forks. When his interlocutor says its understandable that Iraqis want Americans off their soil, Carlson responds, They can just shut the fuck up and obey, is my view. And, you know, the second we leave, theyre going to be calling for us to return, because they cant govern themselves.

Asked in March 2008, How you could you salvage Iraq at this point? Carlson replies, If, somehow, the Iraqis decided to behave like human beings. But he doesnt see that as possible. Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semiliterate primitive monkeys, he declares in August 2008. Thats why it wasnt worth invading. In 2009, he extends the logic to Afghanistan, which is never going to be a civilized country, because the people arent civilized.

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Wanglicious posted...

correction here: Islam, not Muslims. the religion, the set of ideas, not the people practicing it.

Ben Shapiro:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2yAl3bUkAs04lN.jpg:large

Bill Maher:
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-bill-maher/

In 2017, the Webby-award winning AlterNet news service published a seven minute video of Mahers outrageous statements about Islam and Muslims. Some of the clips include Maher justifying the exclusion of Syrian refugees from the West by stating that their cultures are not like ours. Another clip shows Maher claiming if Muslim men could get laid more, we wouldnt have this problem.

In a May 2010 interview with Anderson Cooper, Maher described Muslims as threatening, bringing that desert stuff to our world, and uncivilized. Cooper asked Maher if he bought the claim by Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace; Maher responded, Yeah they blow you up, theres a piece of you over there, theres a piece of you over there, theres a piece of you over there.

Following the killings at the Charlie Hebdo offices in 2015, Maher claimed that hundreds of millions of Muslims would be supportive of that kind of violence. He continued: I know most Muslim people would not have carried out an attack like this. But heres the important point: Hundreds of millions of them support an attack like this. They applaud an attack like this.

In September 2015, Maher reacted to the arrest of 14-year old American-Muslim student, Ahmed Mohamed, after he brought a homemade clock to school that his teacher thought was a bomb. Politicians and public figures criticized the incident, calling it racial and religious profiling. Maher said: Look, this kid deserves an apology. No doubt about it. They were wrong, butfor the last 30 years, its been one culture that has been blowing shit up over and over again.

Steven Crowder:
https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/904426276898910208?s=21
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Wanglicious posted...

they aren't winning at all. and logically they can't either since... y'know, they'll either get vaccinated or get sick. here, something in Slate pointing out a bunch of numbers.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/measles-outbreak-anti-vaxxers-not-a-growing-crisis.html

From this article

They may not even be the major cause. In the U.S., for example, the number of unvaccinated children has quadrupled since 2001a stat that people love to cite as evidence of a growing anti-vaxxer movement. But the CDC attributes that number to health care inequality, since kids without insurance or who live in rural areas appear to be at greatest risk.

USA #1
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And yes, some of those on the left absolutely see Christianity and Islam as monoliths too
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Wanglicious posted...

correction here: Islam, not Muslims. the religion, the set of ideas, not the people practicing it. and you do see the irony of picking those two, right? it's not Christianity throwing gays off roofs you know. Christian institutions were at one point heavily anti-gay but over time that's steadily been reforming to more accepting. Islam hasn't had that happen yet and does still need that. pointing out the incompatibility of religion and Western, secular beliefs isn't bigoted, it's a constant that liberals have been doing throughout the 20th century much to everyone's benefit.

Here you exhibit the exact same flawed viewpoint that youre decrying elsewhere. Islam is not a monolith just like Christianity is not a monolith, but only the latter seems to be recognized as such by leading conservative thinkers, and many run of the mill conservatives
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SmartMuffins problematic fave is in trouble again

https://twitter.com/seamushughes/status/1220354012505133058?s=21
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CelesMyUserName posted...

attack helicopter jokes go here, not to mention the recent vile defense for JK Rowling's TERF shit

UK leftists really struggle with trans issues for some reason
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Ricky Gervais mostly annoys me with his militant atheism
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You know whats really not politically correct?

Saying USA isnt #1
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I feel like I'm about to regret this, but what are Joe's thoughts on "identity politics"?

But actually, this isn't actually a criticism or question to apply just to Joe Rogan. You could level it at a lot of these "problematic" leftists too. But in general I think people's perspective on these issues is a major factor on alienating them from "the left" as a whole and causes a lot of confusion and dissention.

I dont know for certain, but I do know that he is aware of and accepts concepts like privilege and systemic discrimination
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Also, are the average vegetarian or vegan really against hunting on a government approval level? Most I know are just personally against it but dont want it banned
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yeah he is anti-sport hunting, but your average vegetarian or vegan is probably Left, and theyre really THE group against hunting.

I could totally be wrong but that still feels like a subculture on the left.

Like, Rogan is against communism, but I wouldnt feel the need to throw that in there as a leftist belief he disagrees with
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NFUN posted...

uh

Hey I admit I might be missing something.

Am I?
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Like I dont see how anyone could be against hunting for food unless they are militantly vegetarian or vegan
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Secondly, this was just addressed last topic, but literally the only non Left beliefs Joe hold are about hunting and transgender people in sports.

Is the left actually anti-hunting? Anti-hunting for SPORT, yes, but I think Joe is also anti-that.
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Ok thats pretty bad if true

I wonder if his views have evolved any since that controversy
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Dancedreamer posted...

Also notice that the difference in choices between who's shows conservatives choose to go on (Bill Maher, Joe Rogan) and the shows that liberals avoid (Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson).

Bill Maher and Joe Rogan are both transphobic, and incredibly friendly to right-wing voices. (Joe Rogan won't even do an interview with most of the left-wing candidates! He'll interview Alex Jones, but not Joe Biden? Gee I wonder why that is... could it be he's not actually a liberal either?) And neither are really serious journalists. Much like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro! Meanwhile of course liberals avoid hacks like Carlson. If he were 1% as friendly to left-wing voices as Joe Rogan was to right-wing voices, he'd be a billion times friendlier to left-wing voices.

Havent known Rogan to be transphobic except when it comes to sports; is he more generally transphobic?
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Let me elaborate on that with an example most of us in here can agree on as long as Ulti doesnt show up: vaccines

There is no legitimate debate between pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine stances. The former is just objectively true and the latter is rooted in fearmongering and anti-intellectualism.

And yet pro-vaccine stances seem to be losing in the so-called marketplace of ideas because more and more people are anti-vaxx, and kids are suffering and dying because of it.
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Pro Tip: The marketplace of ideas doesnt work
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Im sure Wang thought that Crowders figs shirt was incredibly clever and subversive
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Wang, the common denominator with almost all of the people you mentioned that the left demonizes is that theyre openly bigoted towards various groups, typically Muslims or LGBT

Engaging with them legitimizes their bigotry.
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One of his new slogans is Mike Will Get It Done

Not gonna be a great slogan if something happens to Trump and hes running against Pence
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Wanglicious posted...

dismissing half the people is wrong and should be called out for that. that shouldn't be a political position!

Are conservatives really half the people?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Is anyone watching the impeachment proceedings? What are the ratings vs the kavanaugh hearing?

Just anecdotally I get the sense that no one really cares about this

Ratings are delayed a bit this week due to MLK Jr holiday
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Jakyl25 posted...

This is good advice

Just dropped them $25
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HeroDelTiempo17 said...

donate to raices

This is good advice
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Hey Biden wants to work hand in hand with Republicans...in Congress
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These topics are moving too quickly for clever titles
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Wanglicious posted...

this ain't either.
the idea that conservatives - not even all of the right, just conservatives - have no brains is no better than when you have people say liberals have no brains. neither statement is productive. that's not a position found in political alignment as much as basic humanity.

Imagine a person you know with average intelligence

Then realize that half the population is dumber than that
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Dancedreamer posted...

Did I accidentally stumble onto Qanon message boards?

If you actually had, that would have been ambiguously coded instead of outright stated
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Im not sure what alt right views you guys think are happening here

Seems a lot more like Enlightened Centrism to me
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StealThisSheen posted...

They already don't

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Wanglicious posted...

maybe i'm misremembering but weren't you bi?

Not really. Im a 1 on the Kinsey scale; I find some men attractive aesthetically but none sexually.

Im mostly asexual these days. Aegosexual if you REALLY want to be precise
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Kinglicious posted...

Hey, you asked for a middle ground. That's literally the middle ground, it's saying I don't want to indict but I don't think he's innocent. What middle ground can you think of besides that?

I asked for a middle ground for handling the Senate trial
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Kinglicious posted...

You're stretching way too far. Nigeria is god awful and you'd be jailed within a year if you weren't killed first.

For what
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Kinglicious posted...

Present.

https://twitter.com/stefanmolyneux/status/1220086271302950912?s=21
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Hypothetical:

Some QB wins 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs in his first two years

Never plays again

Is he a HoFer?
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Corrik puts on the glasses from They Live and starts nodding furiously at all the messages
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O B E Y

caps
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Corrik7 posted...

South Korea where you can be worried about mortar raining down and killing millions in a minutes notice! Hmmmm! Sounds like a good choice!

Nigeria is frankly probably not a good idea either. I mean, you got some interesting criteria for what makes the best country!

I dont live in fear dude. I have no children so its not like its irresponsible for me to die if thats what happens
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red sox 777 posted...

I think the Republican Party should set up a program to pay people to leave. After a few million liberals leave the US the Democratic Party will never win another national election.

Yes that would be fine, as long as they extend the offer to everyone who wants to no matter how poor, to get them emigrated and housed
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Doesnt have to be Canada either.

New Zealand, South Korea, Nigeria, basically any country advanced enough for me to stay inside and complain on the internet all day
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January 14th Raw last year

He was in the 4-way that Balor won to get a shot at Brock at the Rumble

Then never wrestled again
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Corrik7 posted...

Who is going to pay your way back when you realize you made a mistake?

Also this is hilarious

What exactly is it about Canada that you think would make me miss the USA?
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Also I live 30 minutes from the border so that part is easy
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red sox 777 posted...

Between Canada and the US, the actual moving cost isn't much. I assumed he was talking about the cost of finding a new job, getting immigration status, etc. For an American citizen, that will be a lot easier coming back to the US than going to Canada.

Im not even asking him to find me a new job, just the immigration process and housing
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Like I said Corrik, you pay my way to a Canadian residence and Ill gladly leave the US behind and you dont have to worry about me ever voting for socialists and communists again
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Neither does Grimlyn
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