Lurker > Eddv

Yeah my twitter feed was all about the piss too

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The quality of the jelly is the big difference maker

In terms of importance it goes bread>jelly>pb

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Poliwag 8
Poliwhirl 7
Poliwrath 6
Politoed 4
Cubone 8
Marowak 5
Lotad 4
Lombre 4
Ludicolo 9
Spinda 8
Kricketot 4
Kricketune 6
Larvesta 7
Volcarona 9
Meloetta 9
Bounsweet 7
Steenee 4
Tsareena 3

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Mega Mana posted...

Absolutely true. It would be very difficult to achieve perfection. And as I have not had a genuine philly cheesesteak and only regional approximations, I could not ascertain the extent between perfection or close to it and the sandwiches I've had (most being delicious, the rest being soggy messes).

But now I want a Cubano even more... the perfect ham, the perfect pork, the zestiest and most complimentary pickles, perfectly aged swiss, the finest sharpest strongest mustard without overpowering the rest, all between to perfectly toasted pieces of bread at the right temperature?

*mouth waters*

I really need a lunch place with cubans ;_;

Exactly my thought - a good cubano is so hard to find, and being able to SUMMON one? Oh yes.

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starcraft

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Day 35: Welcome to the Salty Spitoon
Zubat 7
Golbat 4
Crobat 5
Krabby 8
Kingler 9
Totodile 5
Croconaw 5
Feraligatr 5
Starly 6
Staravia 5
Staraptor 5
Scraggy 7
Scrafty 6
Elgyem 8
Beheeyem 8
Yungoos 4
Gumshoos 4
Morpeko 3

Day 36: Grass Reloaded
Oddish 4
Gloom 2
Vileplume 2
Bellossom 7
Sunkern 5
Sunflora 7
Budew 2
Roselia 6
Roserade 7
Cottonee 5
Whimsicott 6
Chespin 4
Quilladin 3
Chesnaught 7
Fomantis 5
Lurantis 7
Gossifleur 6
Eldegoss 4


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Kerrigan

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Cubano

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This vote is meant to be a snapshot of our views.

There's only a handful of historians in our ranks so the results will reflect that (and even then while I think objectively Santo and Bruno and Baba belong in a list like this I didn't include them because I am simply not well enough versed)

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Allow me to make the case for....

Dr Wagner

I realize Lucha is the red headed step child among American fans of wrestling but Dr Wagner fucking slays. Wagner has the longevity of your Ric Flairs and Terry Funks. He has an engaging violent style and even in this late stage of his career is delivering classic brutal dramatic matches

+Longevity, including a good 12 year peak from 1998-2010 and a great post-peak run as well.
+Master of High Drama and high stakes
+Big Draw (only isnt #1 in Mexican history thanks to Mistico eclipsing him during his drawing peak)
+Builds his resume with solid matches throughout
- A lot of his supposed best matches occurred in CMLL trios and weren't well preserved.
- Outside of his biggest matches he phones it in.
- Like other famously great workers he missed some of his best potential matches by being unwilling to work programs that ever made him look weak.

vs Blue Demon Jr Mask vs Hair Triplemania 27 (2019)

This match was explicitly about Legacy building on the success of the next match down. The most famous mask in wrestling put on the line against the man who was being called the greatest luchadore of his generation. It's dramatic. It has hammers. It has a thousand run ins and it just fucking works.
https://youtu.be/9cPp49xz8bI

vs Psycho Clown Triplemania 25 Mask vs Mask (2017)
This is the match that basically saved AAA and was the most streamed wrestling match. The match pulled an absurd 22.8 rating on television, eclipsing even McGregor vs Mayweather so from the beginning it was always going to be an absurd spectactle. And honestly? The rest of this Triplemania was horrible with a huge scandal as Sexy Star tried to maim Rosemary. But the drama was palpable and this is a stand alone must see classic. Again he is 51 here and just fucking delivers.
https://youtu.be/7qy58clReak

vs El Mesias (AAA Mega-Championship) Triplemania 17
Perhaps Wagner's most famously great match, it marked his return to AAA after a long period with CMLL, Wagner came in with Swagger demanding his spot at the top. The match is an epic that needs almost no context to be great and led to a 6 month run by Wagner marked by nothing but great matches with the likes of Mesias and Cibernetico.
https://youtu.be/XUCEljKbtT8

vs Koji Kanemoto Best of Super Jrs 1998
The match that made Wagner famous
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7fi8uo

vs Jushin Liger CMLL 1992
A pre-peak look at Wagner
https://youtu.be/sRjESmOukcE

There are great matches of him out there with Ultimo Guerrero, Atlantis, Cibernetico, Silver King, Mistico and Emilio Charles Jr as well as a few more with Liger.


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I mean he was doing angles with midgets and was doing like Santino tier comedy half the time.


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(Which is by the way gonna be the biggest knock on someone else who absolutely deserves mention here, Jerry Lawler.)

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Bryan is one I don't weigh near as heavy as others but I also didnt come to appreciate him til he was mostly gone because of how fucking annoying much of his wwe run was.


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Nincada 4
Ninjask 8
Shedinja 9
Shuppet 5
Banette 7
Duskull 4
Dusclops 7
Dusknoir 4
Rotom 10
Giratina 1
Litwick 8
Lampent 7
Chandelure 8
Sandygast 9
Palossand 8
Sinistea 7
Polteageist 9

Mega Banette 5
Rotom Fan 9
Rotom Frost 10
Rotom Heat 10
Rotom Mow 9
Rotom Wash 10
Giratina-Origin 1 fuck you

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ninkendo posted...

I would just give all my points to the rock and be done with it

And a lot of effort considering people like Shine exist

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Nidoran f

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I think kateeees Pokemon rating topic might be fun format for this but again it would be a lot of effort for like...7 votes.


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Cory in the Housr

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Legendary Pokemon blow

Mew 3
Lugia 2
Ho-oh 2
Kyogre 2
Groudon 2
Rayquaza 4
Cresselia 7
Phione 3
Manaphy 5
Tornadus 2
Thundurus 2
Yveltal 2
Zygarde 2
Cosmog 2
Cosmoem 2
Solgaleo 2
Lunala 2

Primal Kyogre 2
Primal Groudon 2
Mega Rayquaza 2
Tornadus-T 2
Thundurus-T 2

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I would certainly be interested

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Hey ass face use the flair

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Diglett 2
Dugtrio 2
Pineco 6
Forretress 7
Trapinch 5
Vibrava 6
Flygon 8
Buizel 6
Floatzel 7
Trubbish 9
Garbodor 8
Phantump 7
Trevenant 8
Pyukumuku 8
Scorbunny 6
Raboot 7
Cinderace 7

Alolan Diglett 3
Alolan Dugtrio 3

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I would like to revise Miltank to a 10

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Happiny 3
Chansey 4
Blissey 4
Magikarp 3
Gyarados 7
Miltank 9
Torchic 5
Combusken 4
Blaziken 7
Spoink 8
Grumpig 6
Ducklett 3
Swanna 2
Clauncher 7
Clawitzer 8
Applin 7
Flapple 9
Appletun 9

Mega Gyarados 6
Mega Blaziken 6

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CONFIRMED RING RAT PrivateBiscuit sleeping his way to winning arguments smdh

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Inviso posted...

Enough people want to vote for Biden that they voted him in the primary as the nominee for president.

Yup.

I agree the theme of the primary basically was "do we want any of these people more than Biden" and the answer was "no, actually"

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link

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Arctovish - 10

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Omanyte 5
Omastar 6
Kabuto 4
Kabutops 7
Lileep 9
Cradily 9
Anorith 5
Armaldo 5
Tirtouga 7
Carracosta 7
Archen 6
Archeops 8
Tyrunt 6
Tyrantrum 8
Amaura 5
Aurorus 5
Dracozolt 10
Arctozolt 10
Dracovish 10

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Let's hear some more thoughts on King and Monroe.


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RickRollin

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Yeah if it were possible for Shine to rip all hype away from a game thats more or less what he did

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ill take outliers too

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Ill take my stats

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Ponyta 6
Rapidash 7
Wooper 8
Quagsire 5
Feebas 4
Milotic 9
Cherubi 5
Cherrim 6
Throh 2
Sawk 2
Fennekin 8
Braixen 4
Delphox 5
Mudbray 6
Mudsdale 8
Impidimp 5
Morgrem 4
Grimmsnarl 3

Galarian Ponyta 10
Galarian Rapidash 9


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List 2 but frankly both are terrible

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Up we go

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I mean that depressing fact became clear when he re-signed. The passion was clearly gone and the man clearly wanted to be in Japan but he knew the responsible thing for his family was to accept the payday

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B8's Choice:
1788/1792 - The Federalists took the House and Senate with 100% of the vote
1796 - John Adams (F) d. Thomas Jefferson (DR) with 73.6% of the vote
1800 - John Adams (F) d. Thomas Jefferson (DR) with 80% of the vote
1804 - Thomas Jefferson (DR) d. Charles Pinckney (F) with 66% of the vote
1808 - James Madison (R) d. Charles Pincknet (F) and George Clinton (DR) with 42% of the vote
1812 - DeWitt Clinton (Anti-War) d. James Madison (R) with 90% of the vote.

Hey all welcome to Board 8 Elects! a topic series in which we discuss each historical election from the perspective of the year it took place in!

The idea here is to re-litigate each election from the perspective of when it took place. I will be providing each candidates platform (where possible) so the merits of the election can be discussed and voted on. If possible lets speak of the issues in the present tense.

I am going to ask you vote via BOLDING the name of the candidate rather than providing a poll because I feel the poll encourages gut voting and I would really like to see some discussion.

Topics will be live for 3 or 4 days - basically until I make the next topic voting will be active in this one.

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Welcome to the Election of 1816. The War of 1812 is over - with the British victorious in their war with France they had no need to continue prosecuting a war with what they regarded as a minor ally of the french and settled the war status quo antebellum in order to put the incident behind them. This likely would have been regarded as an enormous failure of Democratic-Republic policy as Madison's War was fruitless (aside from the murder of Tecumseh and the shattering of his confederation of Natives) if not for an 11th hour victory achieved after peace was negotiated but before it was announced. At the Battle of New Orleans where troops under General Andrew Jackson scored a major victory over the British which has been successfully spun as restoring American pride and honor. It even has many spinning the war as an american victory!

Federalists got nearly wiped out during the mid-term elections as their opposition to the war has allowed the Republicans to paint the Federalists as being unpatriotic. The party is on its last legs and desperately needs a big victory in 1816 to stay alive.

Meet the Candidates

The Republicans have nominated the 58-year-old James Monroe of Virginia is a founding father, signer of the constitution and former ambassador and most recently Secretary of War under Madison. His running mate is the current Governor of New York, Daniel Tompkins.

The Federalists have nominated 61-year-old Senator from New York Rufus King on the basis of his support of the War of 1812 in an attempt to stanch the bleeding. His

The Issues

• Things have changed in regards to national policy debates. Madison, armed with his suddenly percieved victory in a War with the British was able to establish a 2nd National Bank, which James Monroe played a major part in and is full-throatedly endorsing, robbing the Federalists of their signature policy dispute. Monroe faced a vicious challenge for the nomination from other Republicans who opposed the bank but defeated his opponents soundly.
• Likewise, the resolution of the war left Madison freely able to establish trade relations with both Britain and France without offending or alienating either thus ending the great Britain vs France debate.
• The Hartford Convention is the scandal of the day but its merits are still being actively discussed. The Federalists held a convention in Hartford Connecticut where the party attempted to forge a new national identity in the face of their Anti-War identity growing the party. Remnant Anti-Federalist Democratic-Republicans and Federalists from New England had open debate on a number of issues, mainly channeling fury at the disproportionate power held by the Southern states. Scandalously some members wished to expel the western states (complaining the Louisiana Purchase was unjust) or even to threaten to have New England secede from the union if their demands were unmet, though both ideas were in the end not adopted by the convention.
• The proposal that WERE enacted were as follows:

1. No Trade Embargos lasting over 60 days
2. Any use of force, offensive war, admission of a new state or interdiction of foreign commerce should require a 2/3 majority of Congress
3. Remove the 3/5ths compromise from the Constitution, forcing the South to end slavery if they wanted to increase their political power
4. Limit Future Presidents to a single term
5. Require each President to be from a different state than his predecessor

• Federalists went to deliver the results of this convention and negotiate with Madison and congressional Republicans over what portions of it could be adopted when all at once Monroe's successful negotiation of the Treaty of Ghent and word of Jackson's overwhelming military victory in New Orleans hit and rendered their entire bargaining position moot. Republicans have seized upon the poorly-timed convention to portray the Federalists as un-loyal secessionists who relished the prospect of the country losing a war for their political benefit.

The Campaign

• Rufus King has a solid reputation as well-respected by almost everyone. He was one of Alexander Hamilton's proteges and an architect of the first National Bank and is a lion for the second, though he wishes to create an even stronger central bank than Madison ended up with.
• As a supporter of the war King is also clean of any accusations of disloyalty that have been swelling up as a result of the war's unexpectedly triumphant conclusion.
• Rufus King is an ardent abolitionist and with the Federalist Party robbed of other bones of contention he has made that abolitionism a central pillar of his campaign, appealing to both New York and the West's distaste for the economic and political advantage it provides to the Southern States as well as his own personal humanitarian and ethical objections to the practice. Monroe, notably, owns a very large number of slaves and unlike Jefferson and Madison has never expressed ethical concerns about the practice.
• James Monroe meanwhile is more or less the hero of the war from the Madison administration, effectively replacing Madison as the face of his own war. As both Secretary of War and Secretary of State for most of the conflict and with Madison's lack of skill and guile as a military commander it was Monroe who positioned the nation to weather the storm of the British onslaught, who carefully split apart the alliance of Natives into squabbling ancient factions and who put General Jackson in the position to win his stunning victory, all the while he got the British to end the war without seeking highly damaging reparations that would have crippled the nation going forward. Among the political elites, it is recognized that Monroe likely saved the country from total annihilation.
• Monroe supports a national bank, the establishment of direct taxes and recognizes that the nation needs a large standing army to defend itself in case of any future major foreign encroachments on American Sovreignty, fearing the War of 1812 exposed the nations weakness to foreign actors, especially Spain who opportunistically joined the war towards the end.

Are the Federalists Traitors? Do we finally have a good Republican candidate for President?

Does anything besides the fact that Rufus King is an abolitionist matter to b8?

Let's Vote!

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Rattata - 6
Raticate 5
Munchlax 5
Snorlax 8
Aipom 6
Ambipom 9
Dunsparce 2
Zigzagoon 6
Linoone 4
Obstagoon 2
Zangoose 8
Bouffalant 6
Bunnelby 4
Diggersby 4
Stufful 8
Bewear 6

Alolan Rattata 5
Alolan Raticate 5
Galarian Zigzagoon 4
Galarian Linoone 4

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Morelull - 1

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Donkey Kong

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Giving this another bump hoping for a few more votes.

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Steiner posted...

has been since the pandemic started but they announced it before that

Yeah I feel like we didnt discuss this nearly enough.

They're back to the ppv model with the network a horrid failure but I cant see their ppv business doing well either so.

Also ricochet and ali can be huge dorks at the same that Ryker is a piece of scum guys let's not pick and choose.

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Pidgey 3
Pidgeotto 7
Pidgeot 6
Hoothoot 5
Noctowl 5
Swablu 3
Altaria 4
Chatot 10
Rufflet 8
Braviary 7
Vullaby 3
Mandibuzz 7
Noibat 8
Noivern 7
Oricorio 9
Cramorant 3

Mega Pidgeot 8
Mega Altaria 4

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Morning bump

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Trails

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Talk less!

BURR!

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Yeah from a meta perspective these early elections are hard because, outside of 1800, the DRs had completely dominated politics for most of this and the people who ran against them didn't really run for election - they just STOOD for election

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Day 25: PSYCHIc
Abra 7
Kadabra 7
Alakazam 6
Natu 6
Xatu 9
Ralts 3
Kirlia 4
Gardevoir 4
Gallade 6
Bronzor 8
Bronzong 9
Munna 5
Musharna 5
Bruxish 10
Blipbug 6
Dottler 4
Orbeetle 4

Mega Alakazam 5
Mega Gardevoir 5
Mega Gallade 7

Day 26: RRRRRRRR
Aerodactyl 8
Bonsly 8 (almost entirelt based on Brawl)
Sudowoodo 3
Shuckle 4
Aron 8
Lairon 5
Aggron 10
Lunatone 5
Solrock 5
Cranidos 7
Rampardos 6
Roggenrola 4
Boldore 5
Gigalith 5
Minior 8
Stonjourner 7

Mega Aerodactyl 10
Mega Aggron 9


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