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I've listened to two Joe Rogan episodes (Bernie and Snowden) and they were both very good but I can't see his enlightened centrist shit and willingness to platform literally anyone as anything but obnoxious in the long run

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xp1337 posted...

i didn't even know the KHive was a thing until after Harris had dropped out

You're lucky! They mainly showed up when someone would post about her being a cop

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xp1337 posted...

But damnit guys why is that pretty much every time there's something major happening re: Trump and/or the GOP in this topic someone posts in bad faith some left in-fighting red meat and the bait is taken every time?

Because there's not a ton of discussion to be had when nearly everyone agrees that McConnell is bad

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

AOC is beloved everywhere I go. It is ironically on neo liberal subreddits I see her personally attacked as stupid.

Like I have never seen a single bernie supporter diss AOC. Maybe they exist but yeah. Also during 2016 Bernie corrected that pay gap and fired people over the harassment stuff as soon as he learned about it

Basically it seems only Bernie gets his Twitter followers mentioned. I have seen a lot of toxicity all around. It exists because some people suck.

Maybe not AOC, but Bernie supporters got pretty mad at Ayanna Pressley when she broke from the rest of the squad to endorse Warren. I would say there's some latent sexism but it's mostly a problem with toxic stan culture that should be kept as far away from politics as possible. And Bernie's base is both more numerous and better organized than other political fanbases so it makes sense that they are both mentioned more and engage with conflicts more. Liberals don't engage with MAGA fans and you can't say the KHive and #YangGang are anywhere near the relevancy Bernie has.

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Can McConnell at LEAST please call Joe and Hunter Biden before the Iowa caucus if he's going to speedrun the trial anyways? I'd be willing to make this sacrifice.

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why can't hillary just put all her energy into releasing yearly book reccomendations and music playlists like the Obamas

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xp1337 posted...

Take the unemployment numbers at the center of this argument. Trump has, from the moment his presidency began, crowed about them constantly and made them a major part of his rhetoric. These are literally the same unemployment numbers that candidate Trump called fake and made-up when they would have been attributed to Obama. IIRC, this point was raised by a reporter to an official early in the administration when we still actually had press briefings and they just laughed and said "Well now they're real of course," or something to that effect.

I don't think the numbers Trump is talking about are fake - but they're pretty minor changes that he has a history of exaggerating and attempting to claim credit for. Which is hard to tell anyways since we're still kinda recovering from the great recession.

But anyways, given that Trump is a racist, has made little effort to specifically uplift black Americans, and has a history of doing dumbass patronizing stunts to try appeal to what he thinks black people will like (shoutouts to A$AP Rocky), still fair to say the tweet is more dumb bullshit.

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I don't think a data-based approach can accurately capture the type of phenomenon that GamerGate was, but you know I'd love to see how people attempted to rationalize it as coming from the left.

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can't believe that the klob media hype continues to grow

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-pregnancy-claim-democratic-presidential-candidate-stands-by-being-pushed-out-of-teaching-job/

Just posting this because the Warren pregnancy thing being a "lie" is super debunked

Two retired teachers who worked at Riverdale Elementary for over 30 years, including the year Warren was there, told CBS News that they don't remember anyone being explicitly fired due to pregnancy during their time at the school. But Trudy Randall and Sharon Ercalano each said that a non-tenured, pregnant employee like Warren would have had little job security at Riverdale in 1971, seven years before the Pregnancy Discrimination Act was passed.

"The rule was at five months you had to leave when you were pregnant. Now, if you didn't tell anybody you were pregnant, and they didn't know, you could fudge it and try to stay on a little bit longer," Randall said. "But they kind of wanted you out if you were pregnant."

Entirely consistent with her story. Obviously the school board is going to force women to resign and not keep records that they've been systematically targeting women with an unofficial policy on pregnancy. Come on.

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Kinglicious posted...

I go hard in the opposite direction, hell it doesn't even make logistical sense for the vast majority of instances - what district, the prison's even though they've nothing to do with the community and may not even be residents of that state?

You know prison populations already count towards representatives when they draw district lines, right?

edit: whoops meant to quote

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LordoftheMorons posted...

AFAIK the main actual issue with nuclear is that building plants is extremely expensive (to the point where its not economically viable in a lot of places). But theres certainly no reason that we should be closing down existing plants that are still safely operating.

Yeah this, the time frame, and the political issues are what make me skeptical of nuclear. But that doesn't mean America should stop using it! I didn't like the nuclear question either for that reason - we should be utilizing it more during the transition but I think it's difficult to accept as a permanent solution and I'm open to focusing on the alternatives.

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banananor posted...

this poll thing is kind of weird for me. it needs an "i'm don't know and am ignorant on this subject" option for all the questions

There's also some that are way too complicated for the format. I got an immigration one asking about deportations with 4 answers and they all sucked at least a little. So it's just a toss up.

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Warren 16
Sanders 14
Steyer 11
Yang 9
Pete 8
Klob 6
Gabbard 6
Bloomberg 4
Biden 2

Steyer: ok after all but should still probably just go away

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I refuse to read anything into the handshake thing. It's whatever.

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Wanglicious posted...

if she figured out exactly how to say all that info with less than a day of prep, congrats to her, though i don't think i give her that credit.

Uh, she's a politician. This is kind of exactly what they do. That's why they have campaign staff and speechwriters.

If you have difficulty believing that, I'll also point out that Bernie referenced specific old videos of himself and arguments that had been popping ul on Twitter in his debate response. Bernie himself is not going to be up to date on Twitter drama because he is an old man that has no apps on his phone, but his staff sure would be and probably briefed him on all of it.

Wanglicious posted...

the coincidence is that a year old private conversation happened to be known to her staffers, happened to be leaked to the press the day before the final debate, happened to be against one of her main rivals, and it happened to be used to pivot the negative into a positive using odd knowledge and lines meant for soundbites.

Oh I think the leak was intentional by Warren's campaign in response to the manufactured drama the day before, but her statements makes me think it was by rogue staffers and everything else has been damage control. Still reflects badly on her campaign for sure.

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do you think that women politicians have never once had to defend their status as women and it's weird she had an argument?

or that, given the story has already leaked, it is strange that Warren correctly anticipated it would come up during the debate and came up with a speech to deflect the issue? Should she instead have had no planned response and just stumbled around on stage?

That's not coincidental - it's logical! Believe Warren personally leaked it if you want but her response at the debate doesnt support it being a masterful 5d chess move one way or the other.

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boredom and to get mad

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In less dumb news the Lev Parnas stuff is pretty insane to see laid out together.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/14/21066219/impeachment-lev-parnas-evidence-ambassador

The texts in particular are pretty ridiculous. If Hyde hadn't apparently already confirmed then as real on Twitter I'm not sure I'd believe them.

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jesus christ

Have you guys never had a conversation that was interpreted differently by both parties? You all post in this topic series so I find it ridiculously hard to believe it's never happened.

I mean look no further than their other dumb fight tonight - Warren said she's the only person on the stage to beat an incumbent Republican in 30 years, and Bernie took offense because he beat one exactly 30 years ago! They were both technically correct!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Love getting downvoted on reddit for pointing out that people are victim-blaming Warren for having the "audacity" to not cover for Sanders' lie

Well, if you go on to reddit talking about victim blaming, it sounds like you're asking for downvotes.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I was thinking it was weird that none of the (non-main character) NPCs were women but I finally encountered one at the farm... but even she had to come with a man attached

whats that about, Kojima? Where the white women at?

I think he realizes this like halfway through the game because in the back half there's a bunch of solo women in addition to the ones attached to men

also like one black dude that isn't die-hardman

typical kojima!

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banananor posted...

Wrong- Why don't you want to give money to actual poor people?

Why only college educated people?

I 100% believe state schooling should be free in the future for a set number of years to promote education, but if we're just trying to boost the economy via an injection of cash to people who could use it, there's no reason to give it only to college students

It's almost like this policy isn't in a vacuum and is supported by others

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thank you senator klobuchar

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I zoned out during the healthcare talk, what were they talking about term limits for?

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oh no now it's time for a MATH FIGHT

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Well I'm glad they didn't take the bait

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lol Biden's answer about how Trump bombing Iran without asking was bad but the Obama/Biden admin's actions without asking Congress was fine because of the AUMF

fuck off dude

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first reasonably sized debate time

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Thats one option. I might be convinced that its okay to forgive some large-but-not-close-to-100% fraction of debt (though this would need to go along with reforms to avoid giving a huge windfall to people who happened to have debt now as opposed to a decade from now).

Okay, but this is actually Warren's plan (and Bernie's for that matter). Lump sum now, heavily subsidize public universities in the future to avoid debt/bailouts later. I don't think you can look at the "cancel student debt" plan in a vacuum divorced from that angle.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

No, Im not opposed to public services that not everyone chooses to take advantage of. My issue here is that to the extent that anyone made sacrifices to pay off their student loans, theyre actively being punished: they would have been better off paying as little as they could.

Okay but it sounds like you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. How would you universally reduce student debt at all without screwing someone over? Is the only moral solution to just hand everyone a lump sum as previously suggested?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

These situations arent comparable. Youre asking people who have already paid off their debt to pay more to pay off the debt of other people. (I know that the claim is that itll all be paid for by the super rich, but even if that math checks out money is fungible).

Im not necessarily opposed to reducing student debt, but eliminating it entirely is a huge moral hazard.

Moral hazard? That's a stretch. I realize you're opposed to the most progressive universal programs but I understand that generally these programs are paid for by a shared tax burden, yes. If someone doesn't plan on having kids or going to college, their taxes still go to public schools. Is that a moral hazard? Where is the line?

Besides, there are ways of paying for this that dont involve raising taxes on most people. I'm not 100% on this, but because it's part of Warren's education plan, this may be covered under her wealth tax. But if that's still not acceptable there's also deficit spending, which we don't seem to have a problem with if it's for tax breaks or wars.

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banananor posted...

Maybe I'm an asshole, but I think student loan forgiveness in the manner Warren is describing is horrible

It's unfairly penalizing the people who made rational decisions to go to community college, or not go to college, in order to avoid debt

I'd legitimately rather the government just hand everybody $40,000 regardless of their debt situation. Yes, I understand how inflation works

I regret to inform you that you have invoked the Boomer Trolley Problem



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send help

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Yeah it sucks but the youth vs old factor still continues to be the defining factor here. Gotta hope young people show up.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You already know I'm going to say this, but Bernie is THE candidate for unions, so this is a not a compelling pitch.

If I can add on to what Rock is saying, I think you have to understand that the most important issue for the voting black community isn't a policy issue. It's getting rid of Trump. By far. Biden's entire brand is electability, reliability, familiarity, and experience in the White House. Combine that what with Rock said about his working class man of the people shtick. You don't see the appeal?

The OTHER thing you have to understand about black voters is they aren't a monolith. There are plenty of black conservatives - they just don't vote Republican because systemic racism is the backbone of the GOP. Of course these guys are going to prefer Biden.

This all applies to a considerable amount of white liberals too. It's really not that hard!

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foolm0r0n posted...

Also wow people are so convinced that Biden will win. That's crazy to me. He's polling at like 25%, and is literally the worst choice against Trump.

Worse than Buttigieg? No way.

Biden has a good shot at winning. The problem is he has a low floor because he could just naturally fuck everything up.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Of course he's polling well right now. He has yet to make his major gaffe. Against a guy who could say "I plan to take every liberal in the country and place them in concentration camps, along with gay people, muslims and black people," and still not lose any support.

Don't be ridiculous.

He'd call them "detention centers."

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I think it's pretty reasonable that Bernie Sanders, who is notorious for being blunt and speaking his mind freely, said something tone-deaf that Warren interpreted negatively at the time. With Warren attempting to smooth things over it seems like some people on her campaign started this shit and the media and angry twitter users blew it all way out of proportion. This might be the dumbest scandal of the primary so far, and that's saying something.

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transcience posted...

yeah hopefully Infinite makes it into the bracket. that game was probably pretty good back in 2015-ish but has been kind of completely forgotten in the years since as Bioshock has gone on permanent hiatus.

Infinite has aged very poorly and would probably be a big dud in the contest if it even made it in

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sorry but even if you discount 5, P3P exists

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KamikazePotato posted...

Well...

If you're trying to draw a Trump comparison it's pointless because conservatives actually use "both sides" as an argument for supporting a candidate while young liberals and leftists and independents use it to justify not supporting one.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Hot take: even if Bernie said that, he's also right in that being a woman is a gigantic disadvantage and by the standard of "must beat Trump" you're better-off looking at the male candidates for reasonable victory options

All of the candidates have huge hurdles to overcome so this take is pointless. Being a woman is an inherent obstacle but so is being a doddering old man accused of nepotism or a self-proclaimed socialist in a conservative country. It can be overcome. Hillary was not only a woman but also incredibly disliked aside from that.

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The entire Bernie/Warren "fight" (it's really too tepid to be called that but everyone is spinning it as one) going on right now is exhausting and pointless and I hate that it's gonna come up at the debates tomorrow.

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My gut says Dark Souls > Witcher but I do fear the Netflix boost

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Kinglicious posted...

Oh wow.
Chapelle is gonna campaign for Yang in South Carolina.

I can't decide if this is more or less weird than him hiring Donald Glover as a creative consultant and dropping collab merch.

....actually now that I type that all out, Chappelle is obviously a way less weird celebrity crossover

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pxlated posted...

I'll have to check this out later. Haven't been into her older music but her whole "thing" has been pretty intriguing, and the recent singles were fun. Do we know if titanic Sinclair was involved on this album? She recently split with him (for good reason) but I wonder how much he contributed to her music

Yeah they had already produced some songs and music videos before the split was announced recently. Not sure if he still directed the videos but Sinclair does appear to have writing credits on the songs. So this is probably her last project with him contributing.

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red sox 777 posted...

Trump's establishment people are smart enough to be quiet. Think about how many votes he would have lost if the Bush clan endorsed him!

So the entire R makeup of the House and the Senate all simultaneously transitioned from establishment stooges to rebellious mavericks once Trump was sworn in? Except for, ironically, John McCain of course.

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It's pretty good! My initial impression is it's her best album. Some good bangers and clever lyrics like you mentioned. I think stuff like Concrete is TOO high-concept for it's own good, though the joke on that song is pretty funny, it doesn't really work for me as a song (sick chorus though).

It's still a little surreal to me that she was able to transition so well to pop music from her bizarre youtube channel.

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What version of American politics do you guys have where Trump doesn't also have massive establishment support? Every time a Republican speaks out they fall back in line at the next convenient opportunity. That Mike Lee guy didnt even seem to last a full day.

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