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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/16/19 7:18:43 PM
#374
Like, I'd think this was a bigger story if it didn't come on the same day that AEW sold out their second and third TV shows.

We keep seeing the evidence that people want an alternative. This is only huge news if you were still one of the people holding onto the silly belief that AEW didn't have Vince tugging on his collar a little bit.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/16/19 7:09:40 PM
#373
I actually think if WWE really believed NXT could be a strong deterrent to people watching AEW, they'd put it on the Network and make it only available to watch live. Delay the archive for a week.

With them both on television, even if we were to assume they have equal strength in a vacuum (which, again, I don't agree with), it's going to be very easy for people to just watch one live and DVR the other. And because AEW is the new and shiny product, I expect that at least in the short term and/or until AEW shows that its TV is actually bad, people are going to be inclined to choose it over NXT for their live viewing.

This deal, if in fact it's true, says to me that WWE thinks NXT can really only take away a pretty insignificant amount of viewers and they're just okay with that anyway.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/16/19 6:53:50 PM
#371
Should put to rest once and for all this idea that AEW doesn't qualify as competition.

Not sure it's gonna go the way WWE hopes, though. Seems like it's been proven time and again that the general WWE audience doesn't watch NXT. So the section of the fanbase that would seemingly otherwise be the target of the show is going to be more attracted to AEW.

But I could be proven wrong.
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TopicBest Ace Attorney Epic Case
NBIceman
08/16/19 12:42:01 PM
#5
Oh good, the right one is winning.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/15/19 9:25:53 PM
#364
It's funny, Lesnar vs Rollins was the last straw match that made me finally stop watching WWE four years ago.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 47
NBIceman
08/15/19 8:09:31 PM
#18
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Topic~ Save My RPG II: Day 10 (32 remain)
NBIceman
08/15/19 5:41:08 PM
#49
Kingdom Hearts
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 46
NBIceman
08/14/19 8:56:19 PM
#21
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NBIceman
08/14/19 2:19:54 PM
#5
Path of Radiance
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/14/19 2:19:28 PM
#348
- Roman gets over
- Naito beats Okada at a Wrestle Kingdom

Which happens first?
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NBIceman
08/13/19 9:08:41 PM
#30
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NBIceman
08/13/19 7:22:31 PM
#73
Kingdom Hearts
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 7:15:45 PM
#334
I actually should clarify because Ed's post there makes me realize I'm not coming across quite right.

I think I tend to like Okada vs Naito matches more than the average, actually. I'm one of very few people that I saw go 5 stars on their WK12 match and I remember being above the mean on their 2016 matches as well. And if I was booking New Japan I would do Naito over Okada at WK14. It's just that I would also have him lose the title again no later than mid-year, and I think that would piss his fanbase off too.

Furthermore, my point was never that Naito is losing a significant amount of popularity. Far from it. In fact, I think he's almost immune, which is why I say that it's not a big deal if he never does win the big one. He'll make the company plenty of money as the 1B.

My point from the beginning is simply that I'm seeing an increasing number of people get flat out tired of the guy in the wake of this weekend, and I threw out what seemed to me like a perfectly plausible explanation as to why that might be. Is it a huge number? No. But I think a lot of Naito's fans sometimes wonder why others don't see what they do and I was merely trying to speak to that.
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TopicFavourite painting?
NBIceman
08/13/19 7:10:42 PM
#15
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/John_Atkinson_Grimshaw_-_Shipping_on_the_Clyde_%281881%29.jpg

Really, most anything by him.

I'm the furthest thing from an art connoisseur but looking at his work always makes me feel peaceful.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 7:02:18 PM
#332
God forbid a wrestling booker has a fetish for someone who sells out every title defense he ever has and has led the company to record-breaking financial years.

Meanwhile Naito is still, as you are always eager to remind us, extraordinarily popular and no matter how "bad" his booking is, ALSO sells out title defenses of the secondary title and moves a ton of merch.

You may not like it from a story perspective or just because you love Naito so much, but Okada as the ace and Naito as the new Nakamura is the best business setup they can have right now.
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NBIceman
08/13/19 3:11:29 PM
#22
Path of Radiance
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 3:07:46 PM
#324
Lopen posted...
Well the thing is actual not caring comes in the form of character development, mostly. Does Naito change how he acts when he loses/wins at all? If he does, even if his overall gimmick presents the same, it's hard to say he really doesn't care.

He doesn't really, no.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 2:52:56 PM
#321
If I'm on an island here, so be it - it's happened before and will happen again - but I wasn't expecting "some people are starting to care less about a guy who says he doesn't care, acts like he doesn't care, and who in four years has only shown very brief flashes of caring more than he lets on" to be a hot take.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 2:41:04 PM
#317
Yes. And the reason why you're all livid is the same reason that some of us care so little.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 2:37:52 PM
#315
ExThaNemesis posted...
NBIceman posted...
They were doing something interesting with him at WK12 where they seemed to imply that he really did care, that the Stardust Genius was the real Naito all along, that he never wanted to be the bad guy and that the whole LIJ persona was born out of insecurity, but they haven't followed up on that. So my conclusion can only be that what we see really is what we get.


Bro u missed the part of the story where he lost BECAUSE he reverted back to being the Stardust Genius and it follows that he needed to remain truly Tranquilo and stick to what brought him to the dance if he was ever to truly get the win on Okada.

Only we've never gotten the fucking rematch so we'll never know.

No. I thought that was the story too. But he just lost the B Block finals by being truly Tranquilo so that clearly wasn't the story.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 2:36:48 PM
#313
Lopen posted...
As an extremely casual viewer I always thought Naito's deal was just being chill as hell not actual apathy

When he was doing the whole "abuse and throw around the IC belt" gimmick I feel like the implication was actual targeted apathy.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 2:34:59 PM
#311
Jakyl25 posted...
NBIceman posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
NBIceman posted...
I have an idea for an article kicking around in my head that Naito is just a more serious Orange Cassidy which is why a seemingly increasing number of fans are getting tired of him and can no longer relate to him.


you should absolutely not write such a stupid article that makes no sense

Both of them have a gimmick that they don't care about anything, up to and including wrestling. Naito even continually tells us to not care alongside him. So why should we?

Wrestling fans *want* to care about things. How can we relate to wrestlers who don't also care?


I would say this is a severe misinterpretation of Naito

Give me your interpretation then. He's been the same character for years now.

They were doing something interesting with him at WK12 where they seemed to imply that he really did care, that the Stardust Genius was the real Naito all along, that he never wanted to be the bad guy and that the whole LIJ persona was born out of insecurity, but they haven't followed up on that. So my conclusion can only be that what we see really is what we get.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 1:08:25 PM
#302
I don't know but I want to say it's the same one who wrestled in front of a pretty much evenly split crowd at WK12.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:59:51 AM
#299
And I don't know that I agree he's the most over guy in the company. I don't know that NJPW *has* a "most-over" guy anymore. There's close to ten wrestlers who can get cheers over any of their opponents on any given night. Depends very much on the city and the situation.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:56:36 AM
#297
ExThaNemesis posted...
NBIceman posted...

Both of them have a gimmick that they don't care about anything, up to and including wrestling. Naito even continually tells us to not care alongside him. So why should we?

Wrestling fans *want* to care about things. How can we relate to wrestlers who don't also care?


thing is Naito does clearly care to some extent and OBVIOUSLY people relate to him considering he's the most over guy in the mf company dawg

Does he, though? He finally had some character development at WK12 and then he just kind of... didn't again.

I'm not arguing his overall popularity. All I'm saying is that more and more people (maybe it's a tiny vocal minority, maybe it's an actual groundswell) are starting to care about him less and less. I was never his biggest fan but always liked him, even pre-LIJ, but I really struggled to get into any of his matches this G1 outside of the one with Shingo. And I'm not the only one. There's a reason for that.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:50:21 AM
#293
ExThaNemesis posted...
NBIceman posted...
I have an idea for an article kicking around in my head that Naito is just a more serious Orange Cassidy which is why a seemingly increasing number of fans are getting tired of him and can no longer relate to him.


you should absolutely not write such a stupid article that makes no sense

Both of them have a gimmick that they don't care about anything, up to and including wrestling. Naito even continually tells us to not care alongside him. So why should we?

Wrestling fans *want* to care about things. How can we relate to wrestlers who don't also care?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:43:18 AM
#288
RaidenGarai posted...
NBIceman posted...
What an incredibly bizarre opinion.

One person speaking out against immoral and all-around shitty business practices is childish and unprofessional, but if there were a few others it'd be fine?


Sasha never spoke out publicly against it though. If she had said "hey, this is why I'm gone" it'd be different. She didn't say anything aside from a few little comments on twitter.

If there was a mass walkout, I'd be willing to bet that there would be some kind of statement saying that they're walking out because they're treated like shit, and it wouldn't be a dozen people just sitting there making said little comments on twitter. If you feel strongly enough to walk out, feel strongly enough to speak out as well.

That's how I look at it at least. I've never said all of my thoughts and opinions are correct, just explaining how my brain works!

I equate her demanding the release in the first place to speaking out publicly but yeah I guess if you want an official PR statement like Harper did sure.

ExThaNemesis posted...
NBIceman posted...
ExTha, I'm curious. What is your opinion of Orange Cassidy?


i find him thoroughly enjoyable why

I have an idea for an article kicking around in my head that Naito is just a more serious Orange Cassidy which is why a seemingly increasing number of fans are getting tired of him and can no longer relate to him.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:32:29 AM
#283
ExTha, I'm curious. What is your opinion of Orange Cassidy?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:27:20 AM
#280
What an incredibly bizarre opinion.

One person speaking out against immoral and all-around shitty business practices is childish and unprofessional, but if there were a few others it'd be fine?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 11:08:24 AM
#269
Wow.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 10:48:26 AM
#265
HashtagSEP posted...
NBIceman posted...
"Oh, your boss makes false promises at best and flat out lies to you at worst, and he doesn't really seem to value you at all despite the obvious passion you have for your job, but don't try to get out and seek other employment. That'd be childish and unprofessional. Just continue to show up and get treated like crap with a smile on your face."


I'd agree with this if she had actually been booked like crap more often than not, but she was booked quite well compared to most of the others.

I don't disagree with you on the general point, though.

I mean, yeah, if our benchmark is "the rest of the women's division," she was booked fine.

If our benchmark is "actual good booking in wrestling in general," she absolutely was booked like total crap.
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TopicSo what are some good GBA games that are must plays?
NBIceman
08/13/19 10:45:06 AM
#36
NFUN posted...
Heroic Bigpun posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Punnyz posted...
So battle network

....like...all of them?
4 and 5 are pretty bad
1 didn't age well compared to the later games but it's vital to the story
2 and 3 are masterpieces, 6 is good

Good, this was the kind I answer I was looking for

Also i had no idea it went up to 6 >_> Jesus

actually 3 and 6 are masterpieces. 2 is pretty good

I actually think 5 is pretty solid, too. YMMV.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/13/19 10:38:45 AM
#259
As far as Sasha acting like I child, you believe she wasn't, I believe she was. My 5 year old responds in a similar manner when she doesn't get her way. Booking in WWE is pretty terrible for everybody, but most people show up and act like a professional, and don't demand a release because they didn't like the way they were booked.

Imagine applying this logic to any other work environment.

"Oh, your boss makes false promises at best and flat out lies to you at worst, and he doesn't really seem to value you at all despite the obvious passion you have for your job, but don't try to get out and seek other employment. That'd be childish and unprofessional. Just continue to show up and get treated like crap with a smile on your face."

These wrestlers don't owe WWE anything. It's like in traditional sports where players are demonized for leaving in free agency even though they can be traded at anytime with no say in the matter.
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TopicPost a piece of VGM and I'll rate it.
NBIceman
08/12/19 9:08:07 PM
#30
La-Mulana Remake - Giant's Rage


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TopicWhat's the best Super Mario 64 fan-made rom hack?
NBIceman
08/12/19 9:02:21 PM
#4
I'm partial to Super Mario 74.
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TopicFire Emblem: Three Houses Review Zone
NBIceman
08/12/19 8:47:42 PM
#484
SantaRPidgey posted...
Also ugh. People who hate children in fire emblem are just fire emblem's version of gen wunners. If its DLC and actually set in the future, theres no reason to hate the kid mechanic. Then you're just being grumpy.

Why do we collectively have to do this thing where everyone who disagrees with one's opinion is just an angry loser who doesn't want anything to ever change?

Three Houses is the least-FE FE game ever and almost everyone loves it. No weapon triangle, every class can use every weapon, complete freedom over classes, new ways to recruit, battalions and combat arts, and a big 3D environment to explore with mini-games. All stuff that's getting little to no pushback, if not near-universal praise.

But no, if someone doesn't like the kid mechanic they're just a bitter grump that's stuck in the past. I respect your dissenting opinion on that, but you can go kick rocks with this other shit.
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TopicFavorite dead or alive girl
NBIceman
08/12/19 6:05:26 PM
#5
Ertyu literally Anagram-ing Ayane.
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Topic~ Save My RPG II: Day 7 (38 remain) NEW RULES ~
NBIceman
08/12/19 5:45:58 PM
#65
Path of Radiance
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TopicFire Emblem: Three Houses Review Zone
NBIceman
08/12/19 3:32:02 PM
#464
Grimmer posted...
Panthera posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...

How cool would it be if the cast of the DLC was made up of children characters


nooooooooooo

no no no noooooooo
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NBIceman
08/11/19 8:53:45 PM
#38
Three Houses
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/11/19 8:01:50 PM
#201
Steiner posted...
interesting note ahead of the G1 final: Kenny Omega is in Japan, was at Stardom last night.

This would be so much more intriguing if Okada was in the finals.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
NBIceman
08/11/19 3:12:53 PM
#180
ExTha really has trouble with the concept that NJPW makes more money with Naito as the IC champ than they would with him as the IWGP champ.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 44
NBIceman
08/10/19 9:50:23 PM
#39
Sirius
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NBIceman
08/10/19 4:27:24 PM
#40
Skies
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NBIceman
08/10/19 2:29:37 AM
#98
Aw, dammit. That's what I get for missing most of the round.
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08/09/19 8:11:58 PM
#14
Sirius
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NBIceman
08/08/19 9:43:53 PM
#52
Lupin
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08/08/19 7:42:09 PM
#11
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TopicFire Emblem: Three Houses Review Zone
NBIceman
08/08/19 11:03:20 AM
#366
Difficulty in FE is always wonky to figure out. In 3H, "Normal" seems to translate to "for first-timers" where Hard is "for people who've played FE before."

Whereas in RD, those two were Easy and Normal respectively. Hard was "for people who like tedium."
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TopicOfficial Villain Ranking: MCU Edition
NBIceman
08/07/19 10:16:01 PM
#80
He is in Civil War.
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