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| Topic | do you guys believe in spanking kids as punishment |
| legendary_zell 09/02/19 1:38:25 PM #251 | You pro-spanking people are absolutely embarrassing yourselves in this topic. You have been asked repeatedly, to post one, ONE measly source supporting your anecdote based opinions and you refuse to. Instead, you post the same debunked opinions let me go through them and dismiss them one by one so I know if they're used again, you're a robot. 1. Spanking is different from beating. This sounds like common sense, but there is no evidence for this. Both are violent responses, both are temporary fixes, both have been shown to have no positive effect. People in the past would have said with no evidence that beating was necessary, now since it's socially unacceptable, people draw arbitrary distinctions between undefined terms. The difference is how negatively you are impacting the child, there is no positive side here. 2. Not spanking means not disciplining. Not true. There's an infinite amount of things you can do before spanking. If your child is not listening, you are either not modeling the right behavior, not speaking to them in the right way, not responding with the right non-violent intervention or they need psychological help. That's harder and more expensive than simply losing your cool and hitting a child, but it's is surely a more direct way of fixing what's wrong. The key is researching age appropriate, peer reviewed parenting strategies and putting them into practice rather than relying on the gut or folk wisdom. Then getting help if that doesn't work. 3. I was spanked and I turned out fine/people aren't spanked and they are not fine. This is purely anecdotal evidence. Many people are spanked and do not end up fine. Incarcerated people were probably far more likely to have been spanked than not. It didn't help because spanking doesn't treat underlying issues. Lots of people experience negative consequences from spanking. You may feel that it helped you, but that is a cultural belief, not a data based one. You have no idea what you would have been like if you weren't spanked but instead got an effective non-violent intervention. And past generations that were spanked more were not better, they were more violent, more criminal, and bigger assholes all around. Again, please, pretty please, someone post a peer reviewed study showing that any form of spanking is effective or I will be forced to assume you guys are simply perpetuating a cultural practice you were taught. --- |
| Topic | Wedding venue cancels on interracial couple |
| legendary_zell 09/01/19 9:14:26 PM #28 | Infinite 2003 posted... I remember that part in the Bible where Jesus was telling Mary Magdalene Id better not hear about you fucking around with any black dudes This was my favorite part, right after the angel Michael came down from heaven and told the faithful to "build that wall!" --- |
| Topic | Finger Guns now illegal |
| legendary_zell 08/30/19 5:03:31 PM #43 | |
| Topic | Lol @ the internet's 180 turn on Kamala Harris. |
| legendary_zell 08/30/19 2:07:01 PM #10 | That's what the spotlight does. At first you're known for your best moments and breakthroughs, and vague positive impressions created through pr and branding but when the attention beam hits you, all the worst decisions you made get the focus. As it should be with presidential candidates. --- |
| Topic | Latrell Sprewell is only worth $50,000? |
| legendary_zell 08/30/19 2:04:02 PM #7 | That's crazy considering he was an NBA all star and had a culturally famous custom rim company. --- |
| Topic | Juul CEO, maker of vapes, says DON'T VAPE! |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 6:19:18 PM #23 | These people actually disgust me. They are trying to revive an incredibly harmful, costly, and ugly vice that was on its way to dying. I remember talking to people about vaping in 2014 and how it would rekindle nicotine dependence and would start being marketed as cool and safe to kids. People said that wouldn't happen and that it vapes would primarily be used as anti-smoking products. They said big government shouldn't regulate the obvious problem because it wasn't a problem yet. Well here we are in 2019 with neon colored, cotton candy flavored vapes and Juul memes circulating among the whole population. Exactly as every rational person predicted. This industry should be straight up regulated out of existence like we should have done with tobacco if the companies weren't so politically and economically powerful. --- |
| Topic | Twitter won't autoban neo-Nazis because |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 5:25:55 PM #26 | coh posted... De Evolution posted...Everyone that isn't a leftist is a neo nazi these days.Sadly true Hey, maybe we don't let Holocaust deniers police the boundaries of who is a Nazi? Some people literally try to define the term out of existence by arguing only people who fought for Hitler pre-1946. So not everyone is operating in good faith and there are reliable indicators of who those people are. --- |
| Topic | Why does the media hate Tulsi Gabbard? |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 1:34:36 PM #85 | tennisdude818 posted... Not everyone is as partisan as you, Doom. Again, for the last time, it's not about partisanship, it's about value. You and me do not have the same values. Therefore, when I see you talk up Tulsi, that's not good. I believe in equal rights for all human beings, she believed in openly oppressing gay people until that became unfashionable and still hasn't changed her personal views on marriage AFAIK. I believe in calling out all leaders that kill or oppress their own people, she does it sometimes but can't seem to do it when it comes to Assad or Modi. I believe in being truly anti establishment when it comes to economics, she's a conservative Democrat. You presumably like her for some of these things, and that's bad to me. Because of my beliefs, not my partisan identification. --- |
| Topic | Conservative politician posts EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE series of images |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 12:50:08 PM #34 | This is gonna absolutely blow up, it's such a ready made meme template. It just needs a catchy name like Loss. --- |
| Topic | Conservative politician posts EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE series of images |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 12:24:43 PM #21 | This shows poor judgment at the very least. Or he's a comedic genius. Either way, I'm entertained, lmao. BobanMarjanovic posted... I don't get it Look at his face in each photo. --- |
| Topic | Why does the media hate Tulsi Gabbard? |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 11:42:59 AM #75 | Seriously, just look at who is supporting her in this topic. We're not supposed to take note of that? These are some of the most conservative, anti-left wing posters on this board. What am I, as someone who believes in social and economic justice supposed to think when people who clearly do not believe in those things latch onto her, in part because she doesn't believe in them either? She's allegedly anti establishment, but had a disproportionately conservative record compared to her district and the party as a whole. She's allegedly good on foreign policy, but has weird views on some of the biggest questions and weird connections to some of the worst people. I don't think she's being attacked by the media. She simply isn't that popular and is a highly flawed candidate. Her only constituency are the ones that have isolationism and fake anti establishment attitudes at the top of their list, which is why you mostly have Trumpy people supporting her. --- |
| Topic | Why does the media hate Tulsi Gabbard? |
| legendary_zell 08/29/19 11:21:44 AM #64 | It's a bad thing when people who actively oppose your values and everything you believe in support a candidate because that means they believe that candidate does not share your values. A lot of them also simply have incoherent political beliefs and are swayed by branding. She's branded herself as an independent, anti establishment person in some ways, so she gets the support of a certain group. The same group who threw a fit when Bernie lost and decided it made sense to support Trump. Bernie and Trump are polar opposites in almost every important policy and in their lives and world views, supporting both reveals that you have no political principles or understanding beyond anti-establishment instincts. Supporting Gabbard and Trump also reveals that you are horribly misunderstanding one of them. --- |
| Topic | Most annoying classic Final Fantasy status ailment? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 11:51:18 PM #12 | Confuse has caused more game overs than every other individual status effect combined in any RPG. Especially in FF8 and FFX. Confuse was basically the only way I ever died in FFX. --- |
| Topic | Dave Chappelle has never been a comedian for certain groups of people |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 9:49:31 PM #50 | This whole topic is in bad faith. I'm a black person who doesn't agree with that last tweet and haven't gotten an answer on what some of the jokes were supposed to be other than shots at the LGBT community and their acceptance. This idea that white liberals are wrong for saying it's bad to do that and that they can't comment on that without wanting to send us back to the plantations is bs. Plus if you're not a racist, you are not doing a good job of proving it. You are talking a lot like the obviously racist white conservatives on this board that do that whole "I can't post my opinion on the blacks/race and IQ/Charlottesville without being modded" thing. --- |
| Topic | Cyberpunk 2077 Drops Male/Female Options In Character Creator |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 9:36:40 PM #7 | |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 4:23:42 PM #43 | Malfunction posted... legendary_zell posted...FrozenXylophone posted...legendary_zell posted...The idea that there's too many acronyms and that Trans people are too protected by society/they are too sensitive and can be made fun of. Exactly. He could have used it to humanize people in a less scoldy way than activists do. He could make your truly empathize with how disorienting being transgender is. Instead, he did a tired transpeople in sports joke. That joke gets made every single day on this boarding and was old years ago. --- |
| Topic | Trump Demands Staff Break Any Laws Necessary to Get Wall Built by 2020 |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 4:14:23 PM #15 | glitteringfairy posted... People actually believe this lmao So it's unbelievable? Is that because it would be bad if it was true? If it's proven to be true, would you still consider it bad? --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 4:07:57 PM #41 | FrozenXylophone posted... legendary_zell posted...The idea that there's too many acronyms and that Trans people are too protected by society/they are too sensitive and can be made fun of. Yeah, I'm not sure what the points of those jokes were other than legit pointing out his perception that you can't attack LGBT people in comedy and pointing out that gender dysphoria is weird and leads to complications in society. I've seen the same stuff said here by conservatives and it doesn't appear that they are the punchline. What is the joke here? --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:59:24 PM #39 | The Great Muta 22 posted... The Admiral posted...You're welcome to criticize a joke if it's not funny, but you're not really entitled to criticize it because you feel the topic should be off-limits from joking at all. I don't think this is quite right. I think society has done itself a great disservice by having this idea as the dominant one. Some ideas deserve to be challenged and when you leave a cool, edgy space for """"jokes"""" containing cultural and political messages to go unchecked, you get a culture where people latch onto the jokes, believe they're full of hidden truth, and then believe the premise. See the entire right wing part of the internet with their "edgy" memes that you're a SJW for noticing that the jokes always seems to come at the expense of minorities, women, gays, Muslim, and Jews. Those "jokes" should have been called out for their radicalizing, bigoted nature from the beginning instead of shielded by "just a joke" . --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:54:12 PM #38 | joe40001 posted... legendary_zell posted...joe40001 posted...scar the 1 posted...joe40001 posted...I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say "they shouldn't say that" if you don't mean "they shouldn't be allowed to say that". How can you tell somebody what they should and shouldn't say without telling them what they should and shouldn't say? I wouldn't do that myself because thats not how I operated. But if someone truly goes off the deep end with their actions or jokes, it's fine to ask others to agree that what they said/did was out of bounds. That's certainly part of the marketplace in my view even if you call it canceling, deplatforming etc. Not every viewpoint is entitled to or worthy of a platform because that's something we decide as a community. If I owned a comedy club, I wouldn't invite Crowder to come joke about how feminism has gone too far. Others can do that if they want to. People can try to convince me not to invite him. What's the problem? --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:49:11 PM #37 | FrozenXylophone posted... legendary_zell posted...It seems like you agree that it wouldn't have been okay if their points had been anti women or racist. That's the core of my argument. Someone shouldn't be able to dress up racist ideas with presumed laughter and ride off into the sunset unchallenged. The idea that there's too many acronyms and that Trans people are too protected by society/they are too sensitive and can be made fun of. --- |
| Topic | Do some of you not understand the Dave Chapelle is a comedian? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:31:26 PM #104 | FrozenXylophone posted... legendary_zell posted...Why is he entitled to host the Oscars? Why should we care that it's his dream? I have no interested in causing unnecessary pain. I have no interest in causing pain or in punishment in most cases in general. I actively like Kevin Hart and consider him pretty funny at times. So this is about persuasion. His "jokes" furthered harmful views about LGBT youth and the ridiculousness or harmfulness of the views was not the premise. You were supposed to empathize with or agree with him. When asked to genuinely respond to the idea that he was supporting harmful views, he doubled down, then hemmed and hawwed, then apologized, then played the victim, then doubles downed again and apologize again. He was not a model of genuine apology. It can be done and he didn't do it. --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:24:24 PM #33 | The Admiral posted... You're welcome to criticize a joke if it's not funny, but you're not really entitled to criticize it because you feel the topic should be off-limits from joking at all. I've already explained that topics shouldn't be off limits. But you have to do some topics specific ways. You can joke about race, but your punchline shouldn't be that the Nazis didn't go far enough. You can joke about rape, but your premise shouldn't be that marital rape doesn't really exist. Etc. A comedian can go ahead and make those jokes if they want, and I'd fight in court to keep them from being prosecuted for them, but they shouldn't be surprised or defended when they are disinvited from reputable spaces and ratio'd to death online. --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:20:17 PM #31 | joe40001 posted... scar the 1 posted...joe40001 posted...I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say "they shouldn't say that" if you don't mean "they shouldn't be allowed to say that". How can you tell somebody what they should and shouldn't say without telling them what they should and shouldn't say? Scar essentially said what I would have said. But on the point of canceling, I think it's fine to not want to go to someone's shows, to publicize what they said, and to ask people not to lend support by associating with them. I believe that's full free association and free speech. I don't support any type of hate speech law or censorship though. You may still call that canceling, but I call it the marketplace of ideas. If someone demonstrates true understanding of why they were wrong, and genuinely changes, then they can be welcomed back. I don't believe in eternal guilt even for people who say heinous things. It must very very rare that a true change takes place. 99 percent of the time we get "you're too sensitive" or "that was a long time ago" or "I already gave my non-specific, passive aggressive apology" --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 3:13:15 PM #30 | FrozenXylophone posted... legendary_zell posted...FrozenXylophone posted...What makes you think Dave Chapelle made jokes to hate on politically lgbt people? It seems like you agree that it wouldn't have been okay if their points had been anti women or racist. That's the core of my argument. Someone shouldn't be able to dress up racist ideas with presumed laughter and ride off into the sunset unchallenged. And that second one is a great example of why I don't consider any subjects out of bounds. The subject is a controversial one, but the premise is the existence and ridiculousness of anti black cop sentiment and white privilege, not that cops are actually right to racially profile or ignore other people's crimes. The first one is just old school anti wife comedy that's slightly misogynistic, but mostly formulaic. I think it's done mostly on the understanding that comic just told those types of joke back then and on the understanding that they actually love each other. For Chapelle, I don't know if there's that underlying assumption or that turning against an unnamed and powerful bias. The joke appears to be that the LGBT community and their defenders are the group that needs to be taken down a peg. --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 2:05:46 PM #16 | |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:49:16 PM #13 | joe40001 posted... legendary_zell posted...I've seen a lot of people recently make the argument that comedians are supposed to be edgy. They're supposed to mock the powerful and tell uncomfortable truths. They're supposed to mock taboos. All well and good. But I've also seen people make the argument that because of this, it's improper to criticize a comedian for their jokes. But it's not obvious at all to me that something being a joke means that it is invalid to question the joke or the comedian. I don't think I've seen anyone say a comedian shouldn't be allowed to say something. I've seen people say they shouldn't have said something or that it's harmful that they said it. If someone is promoting harmful ideas on stage, people should say something. I don't support censoring comedians in any way, but social disapproval certainly shouldn't be unexpected. --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:45:43 PM #12 | FrozenXylophone posted... What makes you think Dave Chapelle made jokes to hate on politically lgbt people? While this topic was inspired by the Chapelle discussions, it's not specifically about him. I've been seeing this argument for years now. I don't know what his sincerely heartfelt beliefs on LGBT issues are. I'd bet that he's above average on them compared to the general population. But my understanding is that the premise of the jokes is that LGBT people have gone off the deep end with all the orientations and are too protected/sensitive to criticism. That's what I mean when I say premises can be political and should be up for debate. --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:42:01 PM #11 | sevihaimerej posted... No one said you can't criticize a comedian for jokes, just that you will be criticized for taking jokes so seriously. They are jokes, they are not meant to be serious... That's fine, but just because a joke is genuinely and primarily meant to be funny doesn't mean it's devoid of serious thought. Most comedians who are commenting on social issues are coming from an identifiable perspective and that perspective is advanced through their jokes. For example, when Seinfeld jokes about PC Culture on colleges campuses, he is joking, but he is also clearly attacking his perception of PC culture on college campuses. Of course people are allowed to criticize the criticizers though, anyone can be dumb or take things too far or misinterpret things. --- |
| Topic | Do some of you not understand the Dave Chapelle is a comedian? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:36:57 PM #93 | FrozenXylophone posted... Fyi, cancel culture is not always instant and not always career ending. Why is he entitled to host the Oscars? Why should we care that it's his dream? If the people who run the Oscars believe that his comments mean that he is not what they want in a representative, why is that bad? If people believe his apology was made for business and social reasons, and not from growth and contrition, what's is that illegitimate? Does forgiveness mean we treat people like they never said what they said or did what they did? If so, how does that differ from straight up not caring about what they said or did and not caring about the underlying issue or racism, sexism, homophobia etc? --- |
| Topic | Should comedians be immune from criticism? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:30:47 PM #1 | I've seen a lot of people recently make the argument that comedians are supposed to be edgy. They're supposed to mock the powerful and tell uncomfortable truths. They're supposed to mock taboos. All well and good. But I've also seen people make the argument that because of this, it's improper to criticize a comedian for their jokes. But it's not obvious at all to me that something being a joke means that it is invalid to question the joke or the comedian. It doesn't seem correct to me. I think the premise and target of a joke matter. Not just the subject matters. I don't think jokes about minorities, women, LGBT people, the poor, etc should be off limits. But when the joke is made at a group's expense or when the premise is that a group is bad or a certain argument is wrong, I think that's political. It's advocating a specific world's view, and I don't think the comedian or the world view should be insulated from challenge simply because it was communicated on stage or laundered through a joke. Am I missing something here? --- |
| Topic | Do some of you not understand the Dave Chapelle is a comedian? |
| legendary_zell 08/28/19 1:07:23 PM #69 | I don't understand this argument. Why are jokes immune from all discussion and criticism? Is the only thing we're allowed to say about a joke is that it is or is not funny? Any statement put in the form of a joke is now completely off limits and we're kill joys for attacking the obvious political message contained in a political joke? Nope, that ain't it chief. Jokes are frequently utilized to launder or normalize political and cultural views. The premises and punchlines of jokes can be worthy of criticism. We can't live in a society where the punchline or what makes a joke funny is shared hatred or ridicule of group x and no one is allowed to respond. That's not maximal free speech, that's an unheard of and unearned privilege for comedians. Anyone who makes a statement with political content should expect to hear back from others about that, including that the ideas they shared were harmful and not okay, or that they were speaking the truth. --- |
| Topic | Astral Chain getting amazing reviews |
| legendary_zell 08/27/19 2:37:55 AM #41 | I feel like this is what FF7 would be if it was made today. I really didn't wanna have to get a switch, but this and the new FE look amazing. --- |
| Topic | I was prescribed Augmentin today. |
| legendary_zell 08/26/19 9:08:09 PM #4 | I've had that. It didn't really have any side effects that I can remember. --- |
| Topic | Ignorant person: "Im tired of the politics in videogames nowadays!" |
| legendary_zell 08/25/19 2:13:26 PM #66 | If you are mad about SJWs ruining you're vidya by reminding you that minorities and women exist and have possibilities beyond bad guy and sex symbol, then you are a culture warrior. You are the new age version of a Karen who is mad about Starbucks having Happy Holidays on cups. You're operating on the same principle of being triggered by anything that challenges your cultural dominance or acknowledges that other experiences exist or that other people are important. --- |
| Topic | Apparently changing her profile picture is more important than replying to me |
| legendary_zell 08/25/19 12:35:59 PM #42 | This guy's clearly trolling. So the sad ones are the guys responding with redpill stuff. Ever thought that maybe you bring nothing to the table or that women can sense your bitterness? You don't spend time chatting with people you're fundamentally not interested in, so don't expect it from anyone else. --- |
| Topic | Billionaire David Koch dead at 79. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 8:56:18 PM #278 | Gobstoppers12 posted... CrimsonRage posted... Being a criminal is not the only way that a human can be bad. And he WAS a criminal. He violated campaign finance laws when several of his astroturf orgs were fined the biggest fine post-Citizens United for violating campaign finance laws by failing to disclose their shadowy donors. Very emblematic of why he was bad. But I'm sure this is fake news I got from Move-On or the Daily Show? You have the right to fully criticize Obama before and after his death if you feel he truly hurt people. History won't agree with you though. --- |
| Topic | Billionaire David Koch dead at 79. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 8:37:45 PM #269 | Gobstoppers12 posted... legendary_zell posted...our posts made it clear that he's earned a reputation as a historical villain. Yes, that it my opinion. This is a topic where we share our opinions on a board where we share our opinions on current events. Are you lost? Do you smell burnt toast? Also, my opinion just so happens to be factually accurate based on...reality. The only good things he did are some libertarian side projects while he simultaneously funded the very people defeating anything that gave more freedom to not cis het white men. And that is exactly what the widespread reaction to his death shows. It's only likely to get worse from here because this is people holding back since he just died. --- |
| Topic | Billionaire David Koch dead at 79. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 8:00:41 PM #259 | The Admiral posted... CedarPointcp posted...yeah i kinda agree, maybe it's kinda like, i don't like them, but i don't really know why i dislike them Defend him or don't but don't keep repeating this old canard. You sound like a boomer when you keep repeating Bill O Reilly talking points from 2006. And you seem even older because you apparently can't read the very clear posts in this topic. Lasik is pretty cheap these days. --- |
| Topic | Billionaire David Koch dead at 79. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 7:56:45 PM #258 | Gobstoppers12 posted... Most people who think the Koch brothers are 100% pure evil are only getting one side of the story. I have posted multiple times in this topic exactly why I dislike them. If you believe in stopping climate change, labor power, public education, public transportation, public assistance programs, getting money out of politics, avoiding corporate influence in politics, allowing government the power to regulate businesses, etc then you have perfectly valid reasons to despise these dudes. You can assert that it's due to propaganda but you'd be wrong since there is direct, easily available proof from reputable sources that they interfered with all these things. Including their websites.They in fact largely funded the public and the secret, shadowy opposition to everything that helps non-filthy rich Americans and just human beings on this planet in general. If you believe in anything other than minarchist plutocracy, they actively, effectively, and relentlessly attacked your interests. You simply agree with some of what they did. the problem is with you, not our sources or beliefs. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 6:28:56 PM #229 | The best way to change that would be to change paternity leave laws, encourage more stay at home dads, and push active fatherhood as a goal among men and boys. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 6:27:19 PM #227 | darkjedilink posted... legendary_zell posted...darkjedilink posted...legendary_zell posted...darkjedilink posted...codey posted...darkjedilink posted...So, stay with the cheating whore. Gotcha. You would have a point if we equally divided child care duties in our society. Then you'd expect to see an equal division of custody. But there's a few basic facts to establish. First, the overwhelming majority of divorces and custody disputes are uncontroversial and negotiated. Second, sole custody is pretty damn rare and only happens when one parent is grossly unfit anyway. Third, women are saddled with disproportionate child rearing duties from birth. When you consider these elements, and the fact that the best interest standard typically comes down to best parent and who spends the most time, it's not surprising that women disproportionately receive custody. Sole custody typically happens with credible allegations of drug use or domestic violence, and women are primed to value and prepare for child rearing, so yeah, they're typically gonna win. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 6:13:46 PM #224 | darkjedilink posted... legendary_zell posted...darkjedilink posted...codey posted...darkjedilink posted...So, stay with the cheating whore. Gotcha. I really don't meant this as an insult, but I think your specific experience is blinding you to objective or empirical reality. You are saying that a child would categorically go to the mother, regardless of what happened in the relationship or who was the primary caretaker and that's simply inaccurate. There may have been a grossly miscarriage of justice in your case, but that doesn't mean that's the way it's supposed to work or how it typically works. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 6:02:32 PM #219 | darkjedilink posted... codey posted...darkjedilink posted...So, stay with the cheating whore. Gotcha. The kid would go with the primary caretaker, as they should, and the cheating and lying would be taken into account during the division of assets and custody dispute, as it should be. Things aren't nearly as biased against men as some might think. The issue is that women in our society are usually the primary caretakers and the residue from when that was enforced heavily by society is hard to overcome in terms of the actual child rearing arrangements and then in the courts. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 5:38:30 PM #212 | darkjedilink posted... legendary_zell posted...darkjedilink posted...I think the way we do it now is more stable for society and less accusatory. You have a point though. I just don't think it makes sense as a policy. You're being hysterical. You're not even reading what I'm posting and are now bringing up unrelated social issues. I support women having exclusive autonomy over their bodies and the use of their organs and I oppose the government forcing women to carry a life form for 9 months and then give birth. A man has no say in any of that. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 5:36:17 PM #209 | darkjedilink posted... codey posted...darkjedilink posted...No, you'd rather punish the man. No. No. No. No. A child is a human in need of support. Supporting a child is supporting a child. You have the right to leave her immediately, put her on blast in the town squares, take an ad out in the NY Times calling her a cheater, divorce her and take her money etc. But the child is their own being, not merely an extension of the mother or a combination of DNA. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 5:14:14 PM #201 | darkjedilink posted... I think the way we do it now is more stable for society and less accusatory. You have a point though. I just don't think it makes sense as a policy. I'm a men myself. I'm pretty sure I don't think that. I simply value fatherhood and children and don't care much for punishing the innocent in order to punish their mothers. I don't think choosing to remain a good father is a punishment for a man, it's an honor mixed with a burden. --- |
| Topic | High court rules that mom should tell her son who his biological father is. |
| legendary_zell 08/23/19 5:05:16 PM #193 | WaterLink posted... legendary_zell posted...WaterLink posted...legendary_zell posted... I think the way we do it now is more stable for society and less accusatory. You have a point though. I just don't think it makes sense as a policy. --- |
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