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TopicWhy are some girls so fucking mean??
TommyG663513
09/02/19 1:33:26 PM
#66
Can we just have compassion for a male victim without having to degrade men as a whole with "women have it way harder" arguments?

Like holy crap at Dr Coffee's incel comment. The irony she puts on display with zero awareness is just downright sad.

Why are people so weird about trying to claim victim status?
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 8:36:11 PM
#49
Evening_Dragon posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
InfinityMonster posted...
It seems some people have it in their minds that if they shame half the country, they'll all realize their mistakes and fall in line.

Nothing could go wrong of course.

Are you suggesting "tHiS iS wHy TrUmP w0n"?


No it isn't why Trump won, but it clearly doesn't help anything. It just makes you personally feel better. It also tends to escalate thibgs further.

Instead of screaming at someone that you think they're a racist and awful and all that you should just quietly think that to yourself and walk away. Meanwhile, be politically active and reach out to those in the middle in hopes of swaying their votes.

Like it or not, idiot Trump supporters are a big part of this country. You need to make some sort of attempt to work with them or work around them. You can't shame them into not existing.

Trump supporters tend to be pretty awful, but a lot of leftists take that to mean they can be slightly less awful and immune to criticism. As embarrassed as I am of Trump supporters I am similarly embarassed of all the "progressives" who fail to look at themselves in the mirror.


"same thing both sides guys, i'm so smart"


That isn't what I said, but good luck with future attempts at reading comprehension.
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TopicGame developer accused by Zoe Quinn of abuse commits suicide.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 2:21:14 PM
#254
averagejoel posted...
Crepes posted...
averagejoel posted...
he abused her


You know this for sure?

I make a point of believing and supporting victims when they come forward. you should try it sometime.


That is a garbage philosophy. You should support them, but you don't have to believe them. You seem like you have no intention of having any sort of good faith discussion here.

There is in fact a middle ground between "believe all victims" and "call victims liars." Even saying a middle ground is too black and white for what I'd lime to state. There is a long list of "middle grounds" with various nuances.

Sorry to inform you, but the world rarely actually works in plain right or wrong.
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TopicGame developer accused by Zoe Quinn of abuse commits suicide.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 2:14:21 PM
#252
averagejoel posted...
Daniel_Jones posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
Daniel_Jones posted...
Literally accused three days ago, never got to tell his side of the story, never went to police 5 years ago and now he's dead.


alright, no offense, but whose fault is it that he didnt get to tell his side of the story? Im not making light of it in the slightest, but he wasnt murdered.

Daniel_Jones posted...
You would think a developer like Zoe Quinn who made a video game about understanding depression and suicidal emotions would know enough about how public accusations out of no where can affect those who already have those tendencies conflicting them, but I guess not.

averagejoel posted...
how an abuser responds to their own behaviour being made public is not the victim's responsibility


It is pretty dumb to act like Zoe bears no responsibility for how her actions affect other people.

Everyone's actions effect everyone else in some way and you need to try your best to take responsibility for your self.

Zoe has clearly done some questionable things you can criticize her for.
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TopicGame developer accused by Zoe Quinn of abuse commits suicide.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 2:09:21 PM
#249
D_Fen_Door posted...
Esrac posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
Esrac posted...
Banana_Cyanide posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology.

Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit.


Some people are trying to reframe being an incel from being involuntarily celibate into some quasi-idealogy. Because they like to mock socially maladjusted men who are involuntarily virgins for being virgins.


Not true, and it contradicts your point on why it is being made into an ideology, because that would mean it covers non virgins too.

The dude treats women like trash but is more subdued when dealing with males, calls women w words but has nothing against porn, etc. Typical incel garbage.


Being an incel isn't an ideology. There is no connecting ideology among incels. They're just guys who can't get laid. And this move to reframe every guy who is a dick to women as being an incel is an obvious attempt to attack men's sexual prowess (or lack there of, in this case).

It's just a way to point and say "you hate women because you can't get laid". Calling women whores has nothing to do with being an incel.


Pattern recognition. Again, the fact that it can be seen as an ideology disconnects it from getting laid, Im calling a married person an incel here.

Dude talks/behaves just like them, he is one of them. Spade a spade, and it is because I couldnt care less about the virgin aspect of it that Im saying this. I dont think being a virgin is bad, but the term incel carries more than merely that meaning. If youve ever stepped into their forums, you will see many jeremys.


You're just being very willfully obtuse, because you wish to use the term incel to insult people. A more correct term would be misogynist.

I get that throwing around the word incel makes you feel superior or something, but it very obviously doesn't make you look superior to people with any sense.
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 1:50:49 PM
#42
Doom_Art posted...
InfinityMonster posted...
It seems some people have it in their minds that if they shame half the country, they'll all realize their mistakes and fall in line.

Nothing could go wrong of course.

Are you suggesting "tHiS iS wHy TrUmP w0n"?


No it isn't why Trump won, but it clearly doesn't help anything. It just makes you personally feel better. It also tends to escalate thibgs further.

Instead of screaming at someone that you think they're a racist and awful and all that you should just quietly think that to yourself and walk away. Meanwhile, be politically active and reach out to those in the middle in hopes of swaying their votes.

Like it or not, idiot Trump supporters are a big part of this country. You need to make some sort of attempt to work with them or work around them. You can't shame them into not existing.

Trump supporters tend to be pretty awful, but a lot of leftists take that to mean they can be slightly less awful and immune to criticism. As embarrassed as I am of Trump supporters I am similarly embarassed of all the "progressives" who fail to look at themselves in the mirror.
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 1:44:29 PM
#40
pogo_rabid posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Yeah I think he's getting his opinion on unions from like old gangster movies or whatever

I grew up in a family with several union members and while there is drama, there was never anything I heard of that I could call "threatening"

"your firsthand experience doesn't line up with how I want to frame the situation".

You guys can think what you want. I lived through it. Inb4 my "fellow" leftists try to label me a rightwinger again because I don't follow the accepted narrative.


Ugh what?

I'm just trying to get you to elaborate on what you meant. Seemed like you wanted to make implications as opposed to outright stating anything.

I'm sure some gangster type stuff does go on with unions. In fact, I'd be surprised if it didn't. Like I said earlier, unions tend to be pretty corrupt. They just also tend to be much better than letting corporations dictate workers rights and compensations.

I just tend to see the word "bullying" get tossed around so readily as an attempt to claim victim status and escape accountability for your own actions. Like "how dare my constituency point out to me how I'm screwing them. I Won't be bullied."
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 12:15:06 PM
#21
pogo_rabid posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
CommonStar posted...
Fair. He's the President. As citizens of America, we should have transparency with who his donors are. Publicizing their names isn't doxxing.

This. I don't want people blacklisted, but I do want to know who is funding any and all political campaigns on both sides of the fence.

This reminds me of the union I used to belong to. There was a small group who wanted all votes to be public, so they could single out and bully dissenters into voting for a strike.


Eh unions are a bit different. You pay them to represent you. Unions are known for being corrupt. Though a corrupt union is still way better than a corrupt company.

Seems very odd to not make the votes union representatives cast available for union members to see. Not sure what you mean by bullying, but I see no problem with union members openly questioning the decision making of representatives and holding them accountable. These decisions very much affect peoples lives. I'd only call it bullying if they wanted to scream and yell insults as that stuff just makes things ugly instead of productive.

Then again, I've known union representatives who are very corrupt and slimy people who deserve to have insults screamed at them although that isn't likely to be productive.

Bullying as in, they get some big guys to have a "chat" with you in a private place to convince you to see it from their side.


I wish you'd just state exactly what it is. No need to imply.

I assume you mean some sort of intimidation. If it is literally (I assume it isn't literal) a big intimidating person having a talk to convince someone of a different point of view as it pertains to their vote then I don't see such a huge problem. I'm not one to generally see union representatives as altruistic people who seek to represent their members.

I mean, it sounds like you're saying they do something that the mafia in movies and TV shows would do to the effect of "nice house and family you have, it'd be a shame if something happened to it." Which is beyond bullying. That would be threats and intimidation.
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 11:36:12 AM
#12
pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
CommonStar posted...
Fair. He's the President. As citizens of America, we should have transparency with who his donors are. Publicizing their names isn't doxxing.

This. I don't want people blacklisted, but I do want to know who is funding any and all political campaigns on both sides of the fence.

This reminds me of the union I used to belong to. There was a small group who wanted all votes to be public, so they could single out and bully dissenters into voting for a strike.


Eh unions are a bit different. You pay them to represent you. Unions are known for being corrupt. Though a corrupt union is still way better than a corrupt company.

Seems very odd to not make the votes union representatives cast available for union members to see. Not sure what you mean by bullying, but I see no problem with union members openly questioning the decision making of representatives and holding them accountable. These decisions very much affect peoples lives. I'd only call it bullying if they wanted to scream and yell insults as that stuff just makes things ugly instead of productive.

Then again, I've known union representatives who are very corrupt and slimy people who deserve to have insults screamed at them although that isn't likely to be productive.
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Topic'Will & Grace' actors want to dox, blacklist Beverly Hills Trump supporters.
TommyG663513
09/01/19 11:25:42 AM
#8
Eh as much as I hate Trump and his supporters I don't really like this. People should try to spit less venom in general. Just cause Trump and his supporters are trash doesn't mean liberals should aim to just be better than that. Everyone just ends up stooping lower and lower.

I wish liberals would admit to playing a role in the current divisiveness of America. They certainly are far from contributing the majority, but they aren't squeaky clean either. Just aim to do your best instead of being better than the "deplorables."
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Topicwhich "men's" jobs are the ones women want to have?
TommyG663513
08/28/19 8:25:47 PM
#33
scar the 1 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Seriously though, the wage gap is a very limited look at one single part of employment. That figure of 77 cents on the dollar isn't when comparing two identical jobs. That is an average of all men versus all men based on total earnings and doesn't account for hours worked. That statistic changes dramatically when you compare it as white women to white men or the worst which is Hispanic women to asian men. Yes Asian men AND Asian women make on average more than white men.

This doesn't even start the discussion that making more money isn't necessarily desirable if you don't like the working conditions, the benefits, company culture, etc.

Is this on purpose or did you just accidentally an intersectional argument?

Anyway yeah, it's completely true what you're saying. 77 cents on the dollar illustrates the argument that women's work is valued less. Another part of that argument is that women typically do more work at home, which is unpaid. This together is part of what is argued to be a patriarchy. But you're absolutely right - you can't just look at gender and disregard race or class. They're all related. That's what intersectionalism is about.


It was a very intentional intersectional argument. It is one of many reasons why I hate the perpetuation of $.77 to the $1. That is such a massive oversimplification of an argument.

When men are losing their lives to their jobs at a way higher rate then it should be valued more. I think teaching and nursing are extremely important jobs, but they dont put your safety at risk.
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Topicwhich "men's" jobs are the ones women want to have?
TommyG663513
08/28/19 3:00:44 AM
#13
Women want the jobs with high mortality rates so we can close the death on the job gap.

No? Well then I imagine they want to live in a fantasy world where it actually is way easier just being a man.

Seriously though, the wage gap is a very limited look at one single part of employment. That figure of 77 cents on the dollar isn't when comparing two identical jobs. That is an average of all men versus all men based on total earnings and doesn't account for hours worked. That statistic changes dramatically when you compare it as white women to white men or the worst which is Hispanic women to asian men. Yes Asian men AND Asian women make on average more than white men.

This doesn't even start the discussion that making more money isn't necessarily desirable if you don't like the working conditions, the benefits, company culture, etc.

Vast majority of women just dont want to or can't do manual labor. I've spent 7 years working in warehouses and a generous ration is 10 men to 1 woman. Just how it is. Women dont want to work here and frankly neither do I.
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TopicDave Chappelle's new special is up.
TommyG663513
08/27/19 7:21:33 PM
#68
sevihaimerej posted...
Muflaggin posted...
LBGTQ people. "We want to be treated the same as everyone else!"

Comedian makes fun of them like everyone else.

"Stop making of fun of us and being mean!"

Fuck off.

True equality will never be as appealing as being a member of a protected class to some people


But they wouldn't have to be protected if the patriarchy wasn't a thing.........
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TopicDave Chappelle's new special is up.
TommyG663513
08/26/19 5:21:02 PM
#19
How is it compared to his other Netflix stuff? Does he get super serious or does he keep the jokes coming?
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TopicLesbian NASA astronaut accused of stealing ex wife's identity while in space.
TommyG663513
08/25/19 8:22:32 AM
#18
Why does her being a lesbian matter? Is this topic an attempt at bringing LGBT people down? How queer phobic of TC.
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TopicRemember that cop who got shot by a sniper a few days ago?
TommyG663513
08/25/19 8:17:24 AM
#3
Protect our boys in blue!!!
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TopicBaby Boomers: Enjoy this recession right after college, Millennials
TommyG663513
08/22/19 4:46:16 PM
#3
Stupid entitled millenials!
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TopicFolk who don't think privilege exists, e.g. white privilege, male privilge etc.
TommyG663513
08/22/19 6:50:26 AM
#34
pinky0926 posted...
Aristoph posted...
Then don't act like a condescending ass saying stuff like "are you sure that's what you mean" when you clearly weren't even sure your own statement was what you meant. -_-


Alright.

Next question then. Do you think the Fresh Prince shows a difference between how many people interpret privilege, namely that privilege is about the nature of problems you deal with, versus the idea that privilege is whether your life is better or worse?

I think the problem is that people get defensive because it seems to them that if someone says they have a certain kind of privilege, that must mean they are accusing them of life on easy mode. And I don't think that's how it works.


Some people very much mean to use it in a way to imply you have life on easy mode. Correct or not that is how some treat the word. Both people on the giving and receiving end of this word can mean it/take it that way.

There are a number of different ways to view privilege. Words can be complex. I don't see why addressing the word choice isn't seen as a valid enough criticism. Saying white privilege or black disadvantage can come off very differently, but are both an attempt to reduce an entire concept into two words. It highlights how limiting that can be and how it reduces our efficiency in discussing the issue at hand.

This is why I tend to try to describe how I feel with certain ideas rather than reducing them to a single word or phrase.

Also, Fresh Prince probably isn't the best example to use. I wouldn't dwell too much on it.
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TopicFolk who don't think privilege exists, e.g. white privilege, male privilge etc.
TommyG663513
08/22/19 6:38:31 AM
#30
The idea of privilege is very much real, but also way more complex than anybody seems willing to admit and/or discuss.

We all have things working for or against us to varying degrees. The combination of your skin color/ethnicity/heritage and your socioeconomic status is a big one. I really don't think socioeconomic status gets discussed nearly enough, because I feel it plays almost as big of a role as your race in determining the opportunities available to you.

It is way too simple to just say X has it easier than Y due to X's white skin tone versus Y's black skin tone. On average, those may be the odds, but that can easily not be true when comparing two individuals.

Disadvantages due to racial injustice are far from the only disadvantages out there. It is just one that we as a society are increasingly viewing as unacceptable and rightfully so.

The word privilege seems to put a lot of people off. I would have to guess that there is a better way to categorize the concept. The term privileged seems to carry a negative connotation unless used in reference to oneself to display gratitude.
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TopicDo people still care about David Foster Wallace, and Infinite Jest?
TommyG663513
08/22/19 6:11:53 AM
#3
I really liked that movie from a few years back about DFW called The End of the Tour. The one with Jason Segal and Jesse Eisenberg. Really enjoy movies like that where it is essentially a long continuous conversation about existentialism. That movie was the first I ever heard of DFW or Infinite Jest.

So I know very little about this subject matter, but am curious to know more. Care to elaborate TC?
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TopicWatching The Hangover for the first time in forever since it's leaving Netflix
TommyG663513
08/21/19 10:25:14 PM
#5
The movie has not aged well and I'm not usually one to judge past movies and TV shows by current standards.
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TopicCardi B's deposition is the best thing I've read in my whole life
TommyG663513
08/21/19 10:20:03 PM
#11
lww99 posted...
Hambo the Hog posted...
An equal but opposite reaction to Donald Trump.


...truer words have never been spoken

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TopicDisney cannot feature the following Marvel characters in US theme park rides:
TommyG663513
08/21/19 10:15:39 PM
#20
Chaze_the_chat posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
only east of the mississippi


This. The list TC supplied really only applies to Disney World in Florida. Disneyland in California can use all of those characters. Disney's California Adventure (across from Disneyland) is currently building a Marvel themed area that opens next year and an Avengers roller coaster that will open some years later.

The ride the Guardians of the Galaxy coaster is replacing in Epcot was an absolute garbage ride that should have been tossed in the trash many years ago. It was Ellen's (as in Ellen Degeneres) universe of energy. It was a long (like 15-20 minutes) ride that was more educational than entertaining and known to put people to sleep.oi
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TopicDISNEY: kills Star Wars, deadpool being PG-13, kills all FOX movies, CGI remakes
TommyG663513
08/20/19 11:07:17 PM
#9
Damn_Underscore posted...
At least their theme parks are still the best of the best


Eh. Universal has been gaining market share for years now and that looks to continue growing.

Granted. Revenue keeps growing still despite losing market share. The tourism industry in Orlando is booming. It's just that Universal has been growing increasingly aggressive in taking on Disney.

Give it another ten years after Universal opens it's third theme park (don't count their water park) and Disney may not be looking as good.

This situation has mostly come about due to Disney coasting on its classic rides and attractions, but bow Disney jas become aware that they need to really up their game. D23 is this weekend and it is believed that Disney will be making some major announcements to go along with Disney Worlds 50th anniversary in 2021.
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TopicRemember that time Bobby Hill told racist jokes at a black comedy club?
TommyG663513
08/19/19 8:14:35 PM
#11
Toasty_Kun posted...
WilliamPorygon posted...
Remember when Bobby's comedy troupe made fun of the President of the Texas Association of Propane Dealers for wearing adult diapers?


In Bobby's defense it wouldn't have happned if Joe Jack didn't have stagefright. Hank is terrible at comedy. He likes Tony Danza.


Um excuse me, but he laughs at Tony Danza
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TopicTomorrow's gonna be nothing but Nintendo Land for me.
TommyG663513
08/19/19 5:30:18 PM
#41
TC how much money have you spent on Nintendoland and how many copies do you have?
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TopicRalph Bighead from Rocko's Modern Life is officially a trans woman
TommyG663513
08/12/19 1:54:07 PM
#39
I always thought Ralph was supposed to be gay due to the subtext of the "I have no son" episode, but being trans clearly fits as well.
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TopicRode the Kingda Ka last Thursday...back of my head hurts ever since.
TommyG663513
08/12/19 2:05:15 AM
#3
We're you not resting your head on the head rest during the launch?
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TopicLeslie Jones as Mr. Doubtfire.
TommyG663513
08/10/19 7:57:09 PM
#3
I can get behind this....
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TopicThis is Katana. Shes got my back.
TommyG663513
08/10/19 7:42:24 PM
#6
Gotta give the movie credit for being quotable even if not for the best reasons.
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TopicJeffrey Epstein commits suicide
TommyG663513
08/10/19 9:10:32 AM
#15
This is the big time pedo right?
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TopicReddit NEET is sick and tired of people disrespecting NEETs
TommyG663513
08/10/19 8:47:27 AM
#2
People should be disrespecting NEETs unless there is some sort of disability.
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TopicTony Hawk 4 is underrated
TommyG663513
08/08/19 10:03:17 PM
#5
Absolutely loved this game. It really kicked off my obsession with Tony Hawk games. I still feel it was the best in the series.
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TopicJust finished reading The Catcher in the Rye. I didn't get much out of it.
TommyG663513
08/07/19 8:23:11 PM
#16
Bunch of phonys ITT
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TopicLena Dunham Kisses Brad Pitt on Red Carpet, Sparking Misconduct Discussion
TommyG663513
08/06/19 10:19:00 PM
#88
Lena Dunham is representative of very one sided feminism
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 8:27:13 PM
#34
DifferentialEquation posted...
IloveJesus posted...
Akagami_Shanks posted...
alimony and child support are why i'm not rushing out to look for relationships or sex


That's really sad.

You do realise the entire female population isn't trying to con you?


No one thinks the entire female population is trying to con them. The issue is that no one really ever sees it coming at the start of a marriage. No one who gets screwed in family/divorce court says "Yeah, I totally knew I would l end up losing the house and a bunch of my income, but I figured what the hell." A lot of times, it's not until hindsight when you see the warning signs that you overlooked.


Those are reasons to avoid marriage not relationships and sex.
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TopicDemocratic Socialists now claim borders are tool of white supremacy.
TommyG663513
08/05/19 8:24:48 PM
#6
You need some sort of secure border. Just because a massive border wall that costs at least $20 billion is an awful idea doesn't mean that open borders is a better one. You just need some security not a crazy amount of it.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 5:44:33 PM
#29
knutjob posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
knutjob posted...
My experience is that the same people who have a have a problem with women pursuing careers are the same people who whine about alimony so tbh it's not very high on my give a shit list


I hate this idea of attributing tangential opinions to someone else to discredit their actual stated opinion that you have no real rebuttal for. It just reeks of laziness.


Nothing has been presented to rebut. Also don't confuse apathy for laziness.


You're basically saying that the people who complain about alimony make sexist remarks so we should dismiss arguments that criticize alimony. Nothing about that really addresses the reality of alimony.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 2:01:41 PM
#26
emblem boy posted...
Ehh, I see the benefits of alimony. If the couple agrees that one of them will be the stay at home parent, then that essentially means that they are becoming financially dependent on the other. In current salary, and figure salary due to lack of work history.

I don't think it's unreasonable that if they get divorced, the financial aspect should be looked at in some way.


I don't think many people are saying it shouldn't at all be a thing, just that it shouldn't be so high. Someone mentioned that maybe it only lasting for 6 months seems more reasonable.

The real BS comes in with the uber rich getting divorced and the ex wife receiving millions of dollars because she is used to a certain lifestyle. These are statistical outliers, but they also get shown in the headlines.

It also just so happens that alimony is a thing that disproportionately benefits women. I am making the argument that feminist advocacy groups do not make dismantling societal benefits to women like alimony a priority. I see why they do it (or should I say don't do it), but it still shows the reality that a group the advocates for equality can have a lot of difficulty actually enacting equality through their actions.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 1:49:34 PM
#24
DrizztLink posted...
TommyG663513 posted...

Stop making awful arguments. I'm not disregarding anything

TommyG663513 posted...

Rape isn't the be all end all of someone's horrible life experience as awful as that is


Yeah it looks like you don't wish to have any sort of real discussion.

It seems like you think accounting for anything other than homeless women being raped more is completely disregarding female homeless rape victims. That is some very black and white thinking.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 1:27:04 PM
#22
DrizztLink posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
DrizztLink posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
but we also have a much lower floor.

Oh my goodness do we not.

Homeless men and homeless women have a rather different rate of rape.

No points for guessing which is higher.


How many homeless men compared to homeless women? How many of those homeless men are veterans?

Rape isn't the be all end all of someone's horrible life experience as awful as that is. It seems weird that you want to reduce it down to one thing.

...

This is really the direction you want to go.

Disregarding the rape of homeless women.


Stop making awful arguments. I'm not disregarding anything. I'm pointing out the fallacy of you using one statistic to drive the narrative of a complex issue.

Men have both a higher ceiling and a lower floor than women. This is not a revolutionary opinion to have. It was a very common viewpoint in my feminism class. It isn't an absolute fact as this is difficult to prove or disprove, but saying that homeless women get raped more than homeless men doesn't disprove anything.

Men also make up around 60% of the homeless population and social services tend to be more readily available for women than men for this population.

There are a lot of downsides to being a woman in terms of your ability to 'make it' in society, but don't be obtuse and act like there aren't more safety nets for women among the lower rungs of society.

Another example of this is how women receive much less harsh prison sentences than men.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 1:06:56 PM
#19
DrizztLink posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
but we also have a much lower floor.

Oh my goodness do we not.

Homeless men and homeless women have a rather different rate of rape.

No points for guessing which is higher.


How many homeless men compared to homeless women? How many of those homeless men are veterans?

Rape isn't the be all end all of someone's horrible life experience as awful as that is. It seems weird that you want to reduce it down to one thing.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 12:59:56 PM
#10
EnvoyOfTheLight posted...
Crash posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Kinda hard to get work when you haven't worked in 20 years
McDonalds is always hiring.

Give me a break with this shit.


While I don't support the "used to living at a standard" argument at all, you cannot make a living wage at McDonalds.


There are better jobs than McD's out there. I hate how people always need to act like that is the only job out there.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 12:57:14 PM
#9
knutjob posted...
My experience is that the same people who have a have a problem with women pursuing careers are the same people who whine about alimony so tbh it's not very high on my give a shit list


I hate this idea of attributing tangential opinions to someone else to discredit their actual stated opinion that you have no real rebuttal for. It just reeks of laziness.
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TopicWhy aren't women advocating to get rid of ALIMONY?
TommyG663513
08/05/19 12:54:52 PM
#7
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
Because it works both ways.
If a rich woman divorced from a poor man happens, she also pays it.
Please research your troll topics in future, thank you and good day.


Lol if you think these happen in equal amounts.

It is clearly a thing that mostly benefits women. Feminists don't like acknowledging advantages to women and disadvantages to men. Feminism in theory is about equality between the sexes, but in reality feminist groups are female advocacy groups.

No one really cares about standing up for the average man, because men have generally been seen as more disposable.

Men have a way higher ceiling than women, but we also have a much lower floor. Reality is that society doesn't care about the lower end men and act like all those men at the top represent all men.

But yeah society doesn't care about men having to pay alimony even though it is obvious BS. To societies credit, I can see why fixing this issue isn't super high on its priority list. It SEEMS like the type of issue that mostly effects wealthy men.
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