Lurker > Mr Lasastryke

neonreaper posted...

I was always old

sucks for the rest of you tho

in b4 norenxaq

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Lockes Ragnarok posted...

I feel like Im at a highschool reunion. Damn you guys got old haha

shut up i still look like i'm 18 dammit :-(


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Corrik7 posted...

Sorry the world cannot be the way you want it personally. One day maybe the world will bow down to your will. Until then, law and order deemed by the government that the populace has granted power will be followed.

thanks for reminding me that i don't rule the world this really added a lot to the topic

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spoilers: american society frequently has fucking terrible opinions on what's good and just (see: electing donald trump as president)

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i know i post that judge dredd "LAW!" meme a lot but corrik literally seems to be as morally nuanced as that character

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jakyl: hey maybe they shouldn't have executed this guy after he spent 20 non-violent years in prison
corrik: oMg YoU'rE dEfEnDiNg HiM

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there's more people on the internet who have seen the original ghostbusters than people who have seen the original ben-hur, probably.

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"all my posts are perfect and everyone in this topic is unable to read, 5 years old and an idiot." - corrik

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Corrik7 posted...

So, he is in your personal headspace as alt-right. Got ya. Though you know he isn't. So, shows your bias a bit.

https://i.redd.it/sskafohwfq5z.jpg

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i mean, trump checks all the boxes i associate with the alt-right.

• misogyny? check.
• racism? check.
• antisemtism? check.
• in favor of (severe) restrictions on immigration? check.
• super concerned with being perceived as an alpha male? check.
• likes memes? check.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Steve Bannon isnt President!

The only major alt-right voice left in the White House now is Stephen Miller. Which is still a huge problem! But its better than it was originally in that regard with Gorka and Bannon hanging around, and people like Cernovich getting press passes

you think trump isn't alt-right? wut?

the whole reason sephyg said that "i hate trump more than all of you" bullshit was because trump is emblematic of the alt-right and sephy (supposedly) hates the alt-right.

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Corrik7 posted...

It is common sense that anti-semitism is higher on the right. Neo Nazis and other alt right groups hail to the right. We can't simply act like they don't exist. I'd say the right is highly more pro-israel despite this and anti-Semitism is probably declining on the right as a whole, but the fact anti-semitism exists on right more than the left is a given.

It has absolutely zero to do with the premise. And, sure, there is nothing wrong at all with calling out both sides regarding it. I was the one arguing for this in regards to terroristic violence from anti-fa and alt right groups after all. But, you seem to be pretty much trying to drown out that it even exists on the left with your whataboutism.

i'm glad you acknowledge it exists on both sides but it just seems weird to focus on the left when on the right there's a fucking entire (relatively) new school of thought known for its antisemitic tendencies - the alt-right - with their poster boy now being the president of the united states. i seriously don't get how you can look at that and go "gee, the thing that's REALLY concerning and deserving of attention right now is the rise of antisemitism on the left!" like, has there even been a rise? antisemitism on the left has always existed, i see no reason to assume it's gotten particularly worse in the past several years.

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Corrik7 posted...

What does that mean? Because he posted a blog anti-Semitism cannot be seen rising on the left? Whataboutism to deny the existence? I mean, this is what not properly addressing the issue looks like tbqh.

"whataboutism" is actually perfectly valid criticism. if you're only calling out one side for something both sides do, it's totally fair to criticize you for this.

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muffin: *literally links to a blog post by a holocaust denier*
corrik: aNtI-sEmItIsM rIsEs On ThE lEfT

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also, i think the point therock was making was with ghostbusters '16 tons of people were like "THIS IS NOT MY GHOSTBUSTERS" and now with this trailer people are like "oh wow this looks awesome who cares if it doesn't look like ghostbusters i just want a good movie!! "

personally, i'd assume it's actually different people saying those things but maybe i'm giving people too much credit.

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Jakyl25 posted...

And pretty much everyone is a bad human being so thats a pointless distinction

yeah, i wouldn't go that far but i'd definitely say the vast majority of human beings are bad.

"99% of cops are good people" is an idiotically high percentage based on absolutely nothing.

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bump

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if everyone says it's awesome i'll see it, i guess

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
I mean language changes and evolves

it's not really an "evolution," though. it's more like... out of the blue suddenly everyone started using this term. like, was there suddenly a huge boost in the popularity of an 18 year old diss track i missed?

apparently i'm a "fucking dork" for not getting it but whatever.

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SwiftyDC posted...

The term stan only works as a deragatory. Whenever I hear stuff like I stan yada yada - you just played yourself.

yeah, this is another thing that confuses me about its current usage.

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dat t-shirt over sweater swag

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i didn't think trump's win was THAT surprising tbqh. hillary still won the popular vote. and while, during the campaign, there were a lot of people on "the internet" who hated trump (board 8), there were also a ton who loved him to death (r/the_donald). don't get me wrong, it was definitely an upset and i certainly didn't predict it, but i wasn't like "HOLY FUCK HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE."

i guess the most surprising thing for me was that the polls were so wrong. it was like a gamefaqs contest match where the x-stats prediction was off by like 60% or something.

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as always, lol national review

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Eddv posted...

Shit spreads. Stop being such a fucking work something new becomes widespread

...wut?
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some of my friends are married women so i would guess it's fine
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yeah, i remember the term from ether but back then it didn't appear in casual conversation.

now people on gaming message boards are like "i'm an untitled goose game stan" and i'm like "wait where did this come from?"
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a dutch facebook group about the election has a "who gets the democratic nomination" poll up and the results so far are biden > warren > bernie > rest, which are the exact same results in the latest poll posing this question zenofthunder posted on this board (perhaps red sox made another one but i couldn't find it quickly). interesting how everyone seems to be in agreement on this!
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i don't get why it suddenly became a super widespread term
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red sox 777 posted...

No, the Democrats won't learn their lesson that way.

they won't learn their lesson if bernie doesn't run third party either
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neonreaper posted...

Distance Over Time is pretty good Lasa. If nothing else, Pale Blue Dot and At Wit's End are top tier Dream Theater songs. Their creative issue without Portnoy, imo, is that they kept trying to be a LTE jam band with a more mechanical/superior technical drummer. Distance Over Time feels like they really re-thought their process. I could go on, but, at least give those two songs a shot. Pale Blue Dot is a banger and it really rips in concert.

good to hear! i'll certainly check it out.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Too short for a 4 year hiatus, honestly

eh, this doesn't bother me. 4 years between albums isn't even that long. i had to wait 8 years for a new daft punk album, not counting the live album and the tron: legacy soundtrack >_>
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Albums by my favorite bands/artists that I have not listened to yet

Fleet Foxes Crack-Up Sephy has been telling me to listen tot his ever since it came out and I still havent done it, lol. I really should get to it!
A Tribe Called Quest We Got It from Here Thank You 4 Your Service Tribe is one of my all-time favorite groups and I know everyone adored this album (its conspicuously absent from Sephys hip hop-laden list, BTW). I think I avoided this album because I was always under the impression that Phife Dawg wasnt on it for some reason, but apparently they recorded this before he passed away? Wow, I should totally listen to it! Shame they broke up again afterwards RIP my chance to ever see them live :-( I guess there was no point in continuing the group without Phife, though.
Blackalicious Imani Vol. 1 I actually had to look up this duo on Wikipedia to see if they even put out anything this decade but sure enough, they did! I thought Blackas first three albums were all masterpieces, so I should definitely check this out.
Jamiroquai Automaton I love Jamiroquai! Ridiculous that I havent listened to this yet.
Ryksopp The Inevitable End Not sure why I havent checked this out yet, Ryksopp does remain one my favorite musical acts. Perhaps its because I dont care all that much for Robyn and apparently shes featured prominently on this.
Simply Red Blue Eyed Soul This came out very recently so I have an excuse for not having listened to it, at least. I doubt its great, though; before this, Mick Hucknall and co. hadnt put out a great album in 16 years.
Ladyhawke Wild Things With how much I loved her first two albums, I have no idea why I havent listened to this yet.
Empire of the Sun Two Vines With how much I loved their first two albums I have no idea why I havent listend to this yet.
Dream Theater Dream Theater, The Astonishing and Distance over Time I used to love this band, but my interest in them started to fade when Mike Mangini took over the drumming. As such, I havent even listened to their last three albums. Ive heard Distance over Time is amazing, though!
Radiohead A Moon Shaped Pool I dont actually think Radiohead is one of my all-time favorite bands, but it just feels weird to not put this on the list. I will check this out soon. Im sure its on Sephs list for a reason!

Album I like a lot by a band that isn't necessarily a favorite of mine

Arcade Fire The Suburbs Not sure if I would this album on my list like Sephy did but it is a really good album. I think their first three albums are all really good but I didnt bother to check out the last two. Maybe I should!
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OK, I don't mean to hijack Sephy's topic but I just love talking about music. So here are my 2010s album lists. Im sure Im missing tons of stuff as I made these just going by memory/looking at the bands and artists I liked on my Facebook, but nonetheless, here goes! All are in no particular order.

My favorite album

Panacea 12 Step Program It seems weird to give the title to this album after complaining about Kanyes lyrics on MBDTF; Raw Poetic isnt exactly the greatest rapper in the world >_> Hes still decent, though, and this is an album I mostly appreciate for its beats. K-Murdocks beats on this album are some of the most beautiful beats ever put on a record. My favorite hip hop album of all time? Its definitely in the conversation.

Runner-ups

Fleet Foxes Helplessness Blues The Foxes took their already great pastiche of 70s Crosby, Stills & Nash-ish music from their s/t and perfected it on this album. Some of the most beautiful melodies and multi-layered vocals Ive ever heard are on this album.
Radiohead The King of Limbs Now heres a controversial pick, though Im actually still not sure why Radiohead fans were so against it do they just not like electronic/ambient music or something? No, its not Kid A, but its definitely a top 3 Radiohead album for me.
If I may digress, now that the 2010s are coming to a close, can we all agree that Radiohead is NOT the new Beatles when we look at the bigger picture? Maybe the comparison didnt work in the first place as Radiohead has been around a lot longer. But this entire decade, theyve managed to put out one very critically acclaimed album, and one that got mixed reviews at best. Im sorry, but from a band thats supposed to be on the level of the fucking Beatles, I expect more.

Albums by my favorite bands/artists

Jamiroquai Rock Dust Light Star Great album, but it fails to reach the heights of Emergency on Planet Earth, The Return of the Space Cowboy and A Funk Odyssey.
Ryksopp Senior Good album, but my favorite album of all time is their Melody A.M. and this obviously doesnt live up to that. The Understanding was also a lot better.
Simply Red Big Love Good album but its not in their upper echelon.
Ladyhawke Anxiety Great album but not as good as her s/t, which is another of my favorite albums.
Daft Punk Random Access Memories I enjoy this album a lot and like I said, Get Lucky was one my favorite songs of the 2010s, but unfortunately it just wasnt on the level of Homework and Discovery. It was the album that got them a Grammy, though!
Empire of the Sun Ice on the Dune Great album but not as good as Walking on a Dream. Thats yet another one of my favorite albums.
Lana Del Rey Honeymoon Probably my favorite of her albums, though Im not sure if its good enough for a runner-up position.
Dream Theater A Dramatic Turn of Events Typically great album by this amazing band, but I wouldnt say its one of their best.

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pretty good list, though, again, it's a bit too biased towards hip hop.

i don't think norman fucking rockwell! is lana del rey's best work, but i just like the fact that she's on there at all, so i won't complain.

my main problem with my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is, as i alluded to before, the lyrics. as you explain in your writeup, much of it is about kanye's life and personal issues and well... i just don't think kanye is THAT interesting a guy. you can see what i mean when i compare MBDTF to one of my favorite albums of all time (hip hop or otherwise): mf doom's operation: doomsday. i must have listened to that record a million times (when i was in high school, i owned an MP3-player that had space for exactly one album - operation: doomsday was on it for ages) and i'm not close to being tired of it. not only are the beats fantastic, i could listen to mf doom's deliciously bizarre lyrics, filled with references to nerdy shit and dry humor, forever. in contrast, the lyrics on MBDTF kind of bore me, to be pefectly honest. great album, great beats, and lyrics-wise it does have its moments, but personally i would not rank it as one of the GOATs.

more of my thoughts on albums coming later - i have a lot to say about them...
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this decade there's been plenty of rock bands that scored exactly one hit song, like foster the people and portugal. the man
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hotline bling isn't even the best song drake released this decade (i'd give that title to passionfruit, followed closely by nice for what). great song, though. i'm fine with it being on the list.

as a daft punk fan, i appreciate get lucky being on the list. 100% of the best songs of the 2010s.

as far as individual songs go, i'll give a shoutout to bruno mars. like, goddamn, has he been awesome ever since he stopped trying to do his own thing and simply started making pastiches of old music he likes. i have a feeling that when i'm an old man and i look back on the 2010s, i'll associate bruno with the decade moreso than any other artist.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah Im looking at the Billboard top 200 albums of the decade list, and in the top 50 I only see 3 groups I would consider bands: 2 from Imagine Dragons, 2 from Mumford & Sons, and 1 from Lady Antebellum

Even going down to the top 100, you only pick up Maroon 5, the Lumineers, and fun. which doesnt even exist anymore

and aside from maroon 5, those bands haven't appeared in the top 40 for awhile.

there's a handful of bands that still do pretty good album sales-wise (paramore also comes to mind) but the vast majority of them don't score hits anymore.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Bands are dead.

i mean, panic! at the disco is still doing ok!

and so is maroon 5! and... uh...

damn, i guess bands really are dead.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Frank Ocean isn't hip-hop!

he is sometimes!

but yeah you're right, saying he's a "hip hop guy" isn't accurate.

still, 3/5 hip hop makes the list pretty slanted towards one genre!
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kanye is a respectable choice, given how critically acclaimed he is, but i would put him nowhere near the top of my list. great producer/DJ but as a rapper/lyricist i never thought he was THAT great.

also, 4/5 of the best music acts of the '10s were hip hop guys? really? >_> i love hip hop as much as the next guy but i find it hard to believe the decade was THAT slanted towards one genre.

i can't possibly answer the "who was the best band/artist" question as there's waaay too much stuff i've missed this decade. but out of the stuff i've heard, lana del rey should definitely be on the list, at least. she's been prolific and consistent enough this decade. still haven't heard enough lorde to judge her but i probably wouldn't put an artist who's only put out two albums this decade on the list, as good as those albums may be. i'll save my other general music thoughts for when you get to albums.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

We sort of relive it everyday by coming here

this
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i actually will attempt to find some common ground with red sox by saying that i have mixed feelings about hillary's "basket of deplorables" comments. speaking out against racism, sexism etc. is good. but in spite of hillary's "grossly generalistic" disclaimer, a lot of trump supporters are going to say "SHE SAID I'M DEPLORABLE WTF," as i'm sure she was aware. divisive comments like this are kind of weird when you're campaigning on a message of "love trumps hate."

what bothers me about red sox, though, is that he's never given trump - you know, the person who is actually president - as much grief for similar comments ("mexicans are rapists and criminals!") as he's given hillary. this hypocrisy bothers me way more than the fact that he's bashing hillary tbqh.
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red sox 777 posted...

And the Democrats absolutely need to apologize for Donald Trump and all the damage he's done to the country. None of it would have happened if the Democrats hadn't forced the country to elect him. It's not like the American People ever wanted to elect Trump - they were figuratively held at gunpoint by the Democrats and forced to elect him.

there were other options besides hillary and trump.

they all kinda sucked but the country wasn't forced to elect trump.

also, what damage has been done to the country? isn't it your position that trump has been a good president so far?
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red sox 777 posted...

And Hillary said it. She was their nominee. They backed her.

as has been said a gazillion times before, she stated she was being "grossly generalistic" when she made that comment.

i'll never for the life of me understand why you always give trump the benefit of the doubt whenever he says something batshit crazy, but you interpret an innocous thing hillary said in the worst way possible while taking it completely out of context.
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red sox 777 posted...

I'll support removing Trump from office when the Democrats admit they were wrong,

about what?

and that the American People are not deplorable

they've never stated otherwise.
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xp1337 posted...

if that reason is he is announcing time travel technology as a campaign promise i may need to reevaluate my power rankings

it was the fifth dem debate of the campaign of the famous 30330 election
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Corrik7 posted...

You should be proud and support the country that gives you the opportunity to live your life.

why should i take pride in accomplishments i had absolutely nothing to do with?
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Giggsalot posted...

I wasn't trying to attack anyone, sorry!

fair enough. for the record, i won't act like i'm a contemporary hip hop connoisseur - because i'm not - but i don't have to be, because the thing i was talking about was mainstream contemporary hip hop...? it just came across as a pointless jab, is all.

P. S. Those guys might have had a point! I prefer electric Miles overall but On the Corner is basically a funk record and Jack Johnson always felt like blown out blues rock to me.

well, jazz snobs were already saying that about him as early as the bitches brew era.

perhaps on the corner is not a pure jazz album, but i'd say it's definitely jazz fusion. to say it's a funk album completely devoid of any jazz influences is pretty ludicrous to me.
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Giggsalot posted...

But Post is barely a rapper and his music is pop first, R&B second and hip-hop a distant third. To hold him up as emblematic of modern rap is mad,

i'd say his music is hip hop (at least his first two albums). it's just modern trap/R&B-inspired hip hop. a lot of mainstream hip hop sounds like his stuff now.

for someone who attacks sephy and me for "not being dialled in to the contemporary hip hop landscape," you seem to have a surprisingly conservative view of what hip hop is. right now, you're kinda sounding like the people who went "LOL THAT'S NOT JAZZ" when miles went electric back in the day.
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Giggsalot posted...

If you're gonna go back to the early 90s, Post Malone is analogous to the likes of Vanilla Ice or Kriss Kross

i've never listend to a vanilla ice or kriss kross album but i do think the whole "playlist" trend in hip hop is something more recent and was definitely inspired by streaming culture. i don't think sephy is entirely off-base here.

also, vanilla ice was a fucking joke rapper. you may not like post malone but to say he's "analogous to vanilla ice" really isn't fair. i wouldn't even know who the contemporary vanilla ice would be, i.e. a rapper with 0% talent who broke into the mainstream anyway. lil dicky?
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