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swordz9 posted...

Whats weird is Junkrat got official merch as The Rat King and yet Reaper got the skin

Yeah, that's a little weird. It still fits Reaper though and is a pretty nice skin, atleast.

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The Mouse King is a villain

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Punnyz posted...

Reaper had a rat costume for some reason

He's the Mouse King from The Nutcracker.

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Dancedreamer posted...

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1204503645607333888

Trump Campaign campres him to Thanos... and refers to the scene where (Endgame Spoilers) Thanos loses

Oh god, I love that if you scroll through the comments, you can find the one guy on Trump's team that actually watched the movie.

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Don't worry. Tulsi already claimed she's boycotting the next debate even if she made it, anyway.

Because we all know how strongly she stuck to that last time.

How much do you want to bet she sticks with the rhetoric of "I chose not to be in the next debate" despite not making it anyway?

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I'm assuming he means "toss" as in "mix," like tossed salad. Not "toss" as in get rid of.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1203541125979467781

why did he say this

Are you asking what lead to him saying it, or "why" as in the message?

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Basically, to sum it up:

The game is supposed to be for people that go "I want Pokemon GO, but more."

It's good for those people.

If you come in thinking "I want a typical Pokemon game/straight remake of RBY," then you're going to be confused/potentially put off by some of what they did.

It was advertised/intended to be the former. It's not taking a regular Pokemon game and intentionally making it "bad." It's taking the Pokemon GO catch mechanic and building a bigger game around it.

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KamikazePotato posted...

I'm not sure what the point of saying "yeah but it's supposed to be like Pokemon GO" is like if the end product is still bad. Are we not allowed to criticize things that are intentionally trying to be the least common denominator?

(also Pokemon GO was actually fun and while I haven't played Let's Go Pikachu, the complaints in this topic as laid out seem valid)

The whole issue is it's not bad for what it is. Santa even mentions he saw other people saying they liked it. It's because we knew what we were getting.

A lot of his issues come from approaching the game and playing it as if it's a typical mainline Pokemon game. If that's what you wanted, then yes, it is bad.

It can be good and bad at the same time depending entirely on what you want out of it. But the point of "It's supposed to be like Pokemon GO" is because if you go in knowing that/expecting that, then it's a pretty fun game. Santa didn't, and it wasn't fun to him, but that doesn't make it "objectively bad."

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SantaRPidgey posted...

Which means the battles are pointless

So why even have them? If they offer no reward, why on earth would anyone battle anyone they didnt have to? Theyre not challenging and they take a lot of time.

Also late game, catching doesn't really seem to be as effective as early game. It was more worth my time to farm oddishes since those all got in the ball easily on the first time so I could get more exp quicker with less expensive balls. Late game excellents + berries seemed to pop out far more often.

That was another big problem, the ball jiggles seemed to be seperate from catchability. It seemed no matter what I threw I would always get it to jiggle until the last jiggle and then break out at the last second.

Because they wanted to give GO players a sense of a full "adventure" and get them to dip their toes into potentially playing regular Pokemon games. That was their entire intention. Battles are simple/skippable to long-time players, but intentionally done so that GO players don't get overwhelmed.

And you're right, there are definitely certain species early game to catch to get specific kinds of candy, if you're farming them. Catching late game is moreso for farming EXP and species-specific candy. But yeah, just like anything else, there's an optimal way to go about it if you just want generic Attack/Defense/etc. candies by chaining early Pokemon.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

Pokemon go is designed that way, and it works more or less. Pokemon are raised with candy because the game is designed to emphasize catching and real world exploration. Let's go takes elements of the mobile game and creates a chrimeric system that doesn't function for the system it is put in. You cant put caramel on steak and say "its designed for people who like ice cream"

No, it's 100% designed around the GO style catching. The battles are just extra/fluff. The root of the game is the catching, and that's why the PC/EXP/battles/etc. are how they are. The problem is you didn't approach it thinking "This is like Pokemon GO," and thus ended up trying to play it like a traditional Pokemon game when you're not supposed to.

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Anyhoo, the only point I'm going to reply to is about the battles/EXP.

The game is supposed to attract Pokemon GO players, not so much regular players, and so the whole point is catching Pokemon. You get more EXP from catching them than battling because of this. That's also why the PC is how it is, because the game expects you to catch dozens upon dozens of the same Pokemon to then send to Oak for candy and crap. It's not "broken," it's designed that way. You seem to have gone into this game with a fundamental misunderstanding of what the game is.

EDIT: The whole game is built around catching. Chain catching the same Pokemon gets you more EXP and more candy and spawns rarer Pokemon and increases chances of spawning a Shiny and so on. The battles are dumbed down because GO players are coming from a super basic battle system that is nothing like regular Pokemon games.

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Emeraldegg posted...

I thought the entire point of it was that it was baby's first pokemon for children, so wouldn't that make it more a case of "just not for you" than "this game sucks"? Stuff like the overexplained controls, easy battles, linearity etc.

Welcome to SantaRPG.

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Eh, he held a couple titles while in NWO, and he was the one they subbed in to tag with Hall or Nash when the other was hurt/unavailable. They treated him as a fairly big-ish deal.

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Did three more pulls because I have zero self control

Pull 1 was nothing
Pull 2 was another PHY 17
Pull 3 was TEQ Hit AND the STR SSB Goku

I am pleased.

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Maniac64 posted...

I didnt even remember Waltman being un the NWO. That is so random. Bischoff would be a better inclusion than him.

He was in it for awhile as Syxx (Pac) as one of the earlier members, then got fired before the split and it all got stupid

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Got 17 from the discount pull so I think Im happy with that and will stop there.

Maybe.

I kinda want Hit

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How is No eggs or non Kanto Pokmon somehow a reason to play RBY over FR/LG?

FR/LG is objectively an improvement. The only reason to play RBY is to take advantage of them being a glitchy mess, but then that requires suffering through Gen 1s shortcomings for the rest of the game.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

also last thing I want to post on this because I posted so much:

when I first posted about the shootout I got a couple oh that moogle hates cops so much thats what this is about, but Im really not the total ACAB dude you seem to think I am.
I think part of what made this story so upsetting to me is that it broke some of the faith I had in the police, and I wouldnt have had that faith if I was a full-on cop hater.

I dont mean to paint you as a cop hater, I apologize if it came off that way. Thats just the rhetoric going around on Twitter and its just like... Its a horrible situation that the robbers seemed to make sure wasnt going to have a happy outcome regardless, and you just see way too many people just jumping at the chance to go fuck the police on something that for once wasnt entirely their fault. Like, trust me, they deserve the hate most of the time, but this was a situation they didnt really have much choice in. Theyre damned if they back off and damned if they go in.

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HG/SS are the best options for GSC
Fire Red/Leaf Green are the best options for RBY

The remakes on Switch are fine but don't have normal wild battles/focus on the Pokemon Go catching mechanic instead, so while the rest of the experience is fairly close to the original, that's a big difference and mileage will vary.

Honestly I can't recommend the originals over any remakes in any situation, though. The flaws stand out a lot more now than they did when we were kids.

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I'm just going to agree to disagree because I don't think there is a right answer.

I just think the instant jump to "Cops murdered two civilians" rhetoric online is kinda sickening

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im saying approaching them when theyre literally surrounded by civilians was a mistake.

And I'm just asking what other choice do they have? These guys had criminal records, so this isn't new to them. They're just going to stay on freeways/highways and out in public. They can't just back off completely since then need to be able to react to whatever these guys do since they're armed and already have been shooting.

Like, we just had a case where a cop was punished for not moving in during a shooting in a crowded school.

Now we have cops getting blasted by people for moving in.

It's a no win situation.

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Yeah, definitely Heart Gold/Soul Silver. Those are fantastic.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Obviously were armchair hostage-negotiating here, but every piece of media Ive ever seen involving hostages, usually the robbers say cops stay back or we start shooting.

There are Twitter clips of Cops approaching and the shooting starting.

Seems pretty bungled to me.

How exactly are they supposed to negotiate if they can't get close? This isn't a movie where the hostage taker calls from inside the bank.

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You mean having him look like a total goober wasn't a rocket push to the top?

No way.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

So I finally saw some of the videos of that UPS hostage shootout, and uh.

The UPS truck was in busy traffic almost completely surrounded by civilian cars with people driving, and the cops approached, using occupied cars as cover.

Then they proceeded to have a firefight in the middle of a busy interstate.

Im surprised there were only two civilian deaths, tbh.

The issue is that, while we're playing the Captain Hindsight game, the fact that the robbers just instantly started shooting once they were stopped showed that they had no actual plans for any kind of hostage negotiation or peaceful resolution, so if the cops just stop chasing them, the UPS driver is probably dead, anyway, since he clearly was of no value to the robbers and is just a witness.

There was no real reason to suspect the robbers would actually decide to just go down in a hail of gunfire, though, especially considering they took a hostage and usually the whole point of having a hostage is to avoid that. So it's just, like... What were the cops supposed to do, exactly? Just run away and leave them once the robbers started shooting?

It's an unfortunate situation, and it's easy to say in hindsight that it wasn't the best idea, but I have a very hard time saying they did anything wrong since the shootout only came about because the robbers shot first, so I think saying things like "The cops just straight up murdered two civilians" is woefully unfair.

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MichelBollinger posted...

THIS I knew about, which is kind of why I made this topic, because that's not something you get in to if things are going well.

Well, he was in the original, so he probably agreed to the reboot as a bit of a favor/passion project.

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I mean he produced and starred in a television show for three seasons which takes up a large chunk of your time, so...

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yeah, this.

Moogle said follow them with a helicopter or follow them remotely or SOMETHING, that might be safer than 20 people opening fire on a busy street, and multiple people are like yOu JuSt WaNt To LeT tHeM gO???

This topic would be a lot more effective if people would try to understand someones point of you before attacking it.

inb4 irony

I understand what he's saying, but you can't directly react to something if you're just following them in a helicopter, so the element of danger as if you just let them get away is still there. Like, in an ideal world, that'd be nice. You keep tabs on them, move in at a more opportune time when there are less people around, etc. But what if they decide to ditch their current vehicle for another? What if they just start shooting? What if they try to take another hostage? A helicopter, or following remotely is going to just... See it happen without being able to stop it or react in a swift manner, so you may as well have just let them "get away" for awhile until you move in again.

It's a matter of weighing present danger vs. potential danger. And like Jakyl said, the police didn't escalate the violence, they responded to it.

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Which returns to the question of what happens if they stop chasing them and they shoot somebody else? Then the cops get blamed for not trying to stop them. You dont know what they might do if they get away, so saying they were less dangerous is unfounded when they already shot somebody and shot at others

Also, it sounds more like the robbers hit the second person since the car was said to be like 300 some feet away, and the robbers were shooting wildly vs concentrated fire on the truck

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I just dont really get what theyre supposed to do, here

They have already proved theyre criminals willing to shoot at civilians. You dont know what else they are planning, other than they are armed and very dangerous. If you give them a little space, theyre just going to stick to highways anyway. If you give them too much space, you risk them getting away and shooting at who knows who else. At that point, you dont even know if the hostage is still alive, theres no communication. And typically, robbers dont exactly tend to get surrounded by police and go screw it, I choose death, and start shooting, so acting like the cops purposely walked into a shootout isnt fair. Video makes it appear the robbers started shooting first, so what exactly are the cops supposed to do?

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Every movie is "Disney's ____," though. Just watching the trailer is enough to tell it's not the same thing, so they're certainly not trying to trick anyone.

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Yeah, that'd be like saying "Disney's just luring people in with the name 'Hercules' when it's nothing like the animated movie."

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Steiner posted...

and you can think what you want about what i'd be saying if the shoe was on the other foot, but ratings have always been viewed as the ranking in the 18-49 demo. total viewers is an irrelevant figure.

While this has been true and is mostly still true, networks have been starting to shift away from that in recent years as older viewers are the ones that still consistently watch live television, whereas the demo is favoring streaming services more and more.

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Oh Yang

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I mean you've been sitting here defending the supernatural elements of Kane and Undertaker as "Oh they debuted that way so it's fine" so that's why I've been arguing. You've been defending supernatural elements of one and lamenting supernatural elements of another, despite saying it has nothing to do with the supernatural stuff.

We're just repeating ourselves at this point.

They all suck. That's what I'm gonna leave it at.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I get 3-4 per day. Still haven't gotten my ubi yet.

The "ten people get $1000 bucks a month" thing was a pretty transparent effort to build a mailing list...!

I'm pretty sure I remember there being a box to not sign up for the mailing list, but I did it anyway because I suspected doing so might secretly disqualify me.

Clever ploy.
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The argument isn't about the level of jump. The argument was over whether they did anything to explain the jump or not.

I'm arguing that "supernatural possession" is an explanation if you're already buying into supernatural elements of other wrestlers, especially one that has a history of supernatural possession, including the fact that it was supposed to be a power boost then, as well, and only wasn't because of outside circumstances scrapping a match.

I'm not saying you have to like it. My argument this entire time has simply been that saying Undertaker and Kane were logical and fine, but Fiend is "No way"(jose) is just weird to me. I fully understand hating 'em all or liking 'em all, but defending the others while saying Fiend is illogical just seems silly.
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TheCodeisBosco posted...

Between the absurdly low odds of finding non-event Gmax Pokemon, and the absurdly low odds of catching the fuckers, Gmax hunting - one of the few appealing postgame activities here - is rendered insufferable.

I can sorta understand why they did this, since they want to try and extend the life of interest in raids with events and such, but it sucks for people that just want to catch everything now, yeah.
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Lopen posted...

Was a pretty minor footnote in a bad feud so I don't know. Maybe that was the implication. It was sold so poorly as a relevant detail, and never actually caused Bray to win or even perform significantly better in a match, that I wouldn't count it myself.

Well, turns out it was only so insignificant because the match got called off since Bray got the mumps. >_>
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Turns out I'm half right

According to Balor, the plan was for Wyatt to wrestle as Sister Abigail, and for Balor to reveal a new, stronger version of The Demon to defeat him, but the match never happened because Wyatt got sick.

But yeah, Sister Abigail possession was supposed to be a powerup.
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Lopen posted...

Bray Wyatt has not had supernatural possession that changes his strength before, and he's an over 5 years established character, so we need good explanation as to why it does.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't the implication that Sister Abigail specifically made him stronger, but he just got overcome by The Demon Balor?
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NBIceman posted...

Steiner posted...

All supernatural stuff the viewer is supposed to take very seriously sucks

Yeah, people that defend the Fiend with "WELL IT WAS FINE WHEN THE UNDERTAKER AND KANE DID IT THOUGH, RIGHT???" (which may or may not be anyone in this topic, as I have no desire whatsoever to actually read into the minutiae of this argument) are all mistakenly assuming that those two were universally praised.

Their shit was bad too.

I'm only arguing with Lopen because he's specifically arguing Undertaker and Kane were good, logical supernatural gimmicks and Fiend is an illogical supernatural gimmick.

I'm all in favor of saying they all suck!
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Steiner posted...

All supernatural stuff the viewer is supposed to take very seriously sucks

See, this is a perfectly logical viewpoint that I won't argue in the least.
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The part I'm struggling with is that you accept The Fiend is supposed to be a supernatural possession/it's not just Bray Wyatt after going to the gym for a few months, but then insist there's no reason for why he's stronger now. The supernatural possession IS the reason. And that's no different than just "Oh the Undertaker is immortal because he is." You're just trying to attach more rules to some stupid supernatural gimmick that you aren't attaching to other stupid supernatural gimmicks.

Rejecting the supernatural gimmick as stupid makes sense, and then, yes, your argument would make sense, since it'd just be "Bray Wyatt got stronger out of nowhere."

But you've admitted you have no problem with Kane or Undertaker supposedly being otherworldly demons, so it's just weird to apply different logic to them and Fiend, when Fiend is also supposed to be an otherworldly presence that is possessing a dude who has already in canon been possessed previously, so it's not even anything new with the character.
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Also yeah, I think Fiend is handled waaaay better than Demon Balor, since Fiend actually acts different along with his noticeable power boost, and it's just... What he is, now. They built up to Bray becoming The Fiend, he's not just putting on his Sunday best like Balor. Demon Balor is literally just Balor going "Occasionally I put on facepaint with no rhyme or reason and I wrestle the same but now my moves do more damage and I take less damage but there's no actual consistency to when I do it."
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Lopen posted...

I guess the meat is I accept supernatural stuff in angles but if it makes them way stronger in the ring that just feels like a copout to push a guy that isn't on that level unless it's fleshed out well. Even a stupid supernatural explanation of why Fiend is so much stronger would probably be fine, but we don't have one.

More elaboration on why the Fiend is stronger than Bray Wyatt is needed for coherence. "He's not Bray Wyatt" is not enough explanation for me. That just explains why his mannerisms would be different. Compared to Mick Foley's alter egos which imo were actually done well, they had fairly consistent power levels and were just sliding bars of sadism vs masochism vs neither, which had varying efficacy depending on what was most effective vs his opponent.

And to be fair I think The Demon King Finn Balor is super dumb too, so I'm at least consistent in that regard!

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this, since to me, "It's not Bray Wyatt/it's a supernatural possession" is enough for me if I'm already readily accepting somebody controlling fire and somebody being immortal.

Like, I don't ask "Why is Undertaker immortal?" or "Why can Kane summon fire?" I just accept it because they said "He's supernatural and he can."

So to me personally, I could see somebody buying into all three, or somebody going "No, this is stupid" to all three, but it's weird to me to accept "immortal" and "flame conjuror" but not "possession."
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I mean I'm not fleshing out anything beyond what I just stated.

There are currently two personalities that are not the same as the original one. And one of those is blatantly a supernatural possession.

Yeah, I filled in some more blanks on the "I assume they're going for" post, but that post is kinda irrelevant. What they've given us is enough for it to make sense if you buy into supernatural stuff. The Fiend is not Bray Wyatt, which is why The Fiend is stronger than Bray Wyatt. That's really the important part.
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Lopen posted...

Like if you're going to tell that split story that's fine but man WWE hasn't really done that at all and that's a lot of hoops to jump through to give the character the benefit of a doubt I think.

I mean they've absolutely told that story, at the least through implication, though.

Funhouse Bray and The Fiend are clearly different personalities than original Bray, since they both hate him (Funhouse has his pictures crossed out and did stuff like chainsaw the cutout, and Fiend has the lantern). And Funhouse Bray very clearly treats "The Fiend" as a different entity and warns opponents about him, just like "The Beast." It's a rather blatant imitation.
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Dude, my desk fell apart once and I said fuck it and bought a new desk that was already put together
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