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damn it "America's Finest" Nick Aldis makes me laugh every time
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That's pretty fair criticism. I had a more focused vision for my show at first but it kind of fell apart in the first few draft rounds so I switched gears and went full WORKRATE.
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MLW signed Ross and Marshall von Erich. I wasn't even aware they were still wrestling.

Sure hope Marshall's star potential pans out. As a born and raised Texan I'll always love anyone from that family.
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"America's Finest" Nick Aldis vs Psycho Clown is 100% the best thing to come out of our draft, I'll allow.
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Yeah, if someone as loyal as Nick is no longer your audience, who is?
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https://twitter.com/UMPunk_101/status/1125562443932078080
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Definitely down to do more of these in the future. I agree with whoever was saying on Discord that it may need to be a little more restrictive though. And different eras, obviously.
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Top 5 outside my own is tough but it's probably something like (in no order)

Ultimate X
New Japan vs NOAH
Strong BJ vs Ring Kampf
Ciampa vs ZSJ
Bryan vs Jericho

I'd say Lynch vs Bayley but in the context of it being on a WWE main roster show I don't have faith it'd reach the heights it was capable of.

And as far as ranking the shows, NJPW > Impact > WWE > AEW.
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I'm torn on Penta/Owens.

Like on one hand I don't really like Penta very much. I know that's sacrilege in the wrestling community but it's the truth.

On the other hand if anyone was gonna get a really fun match out of him it'd be Owens.
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Waluigi1 posted...

Why are people doubting that there's a multiverse? Of course there's a multiverse, it's Marvel comics...

I think people are just not 100% believing that they'll bring it in so soon after Endgame. It's not even technically Phase 4 yet.
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Match #7 - Women of Honor Title
Io Shirai (C) vs Meiko Satomura
These two, some of the best wrestlers, male or female, in the world, have had their share of wars (and yes, I mean wars), but this is their first on American soil. Who said ROH doesn't care about the women?

Match #8 - ROH World Title
Shingo Takagi (C) vs Claudio Castagnoli
Castagnoli has returned to Ring of Honor, and having reclaimed his name (two of them, in fact!), now looks to his next goal: the ROH World Championship, one of the few titles that has eluded him in his long career. He'll have to go through a man who recently made his own return and promptly steamrolled over everyone in his path to claim the top prize in the company. If you want to see big strong guys throwing bombs at each other, look no further than this match. And would you believe it's a first time meeting?

Match #9 - Special Attraction Match
Kenny Omega vs Kento Miyahara
When All Japan's ace Kento Miyahara announced he was coming to Ring of Honor for a one-time match, Omega, as he often does, jumped at the chance. He's come a long way from his younger days in ROH, and he's had legendary encounters with a certain other ace, but Kenny is always looking for that next incredible moment, and he has it here. Will he sneak in an Alexa Bliss cameo to his Undertale entrance this time and make MWC's head actually explode? Will Miyahara break the record for longest hold of a straitjacket German Suplex? Will their two infamous Bicycle Knees collide and create a singularity in the center of MSG, wiping out all known human life? Will this be the greatest match in ROH history? I know a couple of guys for sure who will do their damnedest to make it so.
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Allow me to take you back in time a bit.

To an era of dimly lit arenas, where the lines for the DVD table put Bullet Club meet-and-greets to shame, where pre-match handshakes were often as tense as nearfalls, where fans greeted each other by name and crowded around each other to slap the ringside barricade and politely inform Bryan Danielson's opponents what he was going to do to their heads.

That era couldn't last, and perhaps was never meant to. To some, it's an ideal that can never be replicated. To others, a complete unknown.

But the spirit never left. That spirit leaves... a legacy.

So please join us, for a night that's as much about celebrating what was as it is about looking forward to what will be.

Live from Madison Square Garden, ROH presents Legacy of Honor.
Your commentary team tonight will be Lenny Leonard and Dave Prazak (because Nigel McGuinness missed his flight), assisted by ring announcer Angelo Trinidad, with a special National Anthem performance by Kesha (I let a friend of mine decide that one and I think he wanted to screw with me.)

Match #1 - Ladder Match for the vacant ROH TV Title
AR Fox vs "Speedball" Mike Bailey vs Paul London vs Jack Evans
In what is unofficially and affectionately being called a "Please Don't Die" match, two high flyers from the very early days of Ring of Honor will return to the company and take on not only each other, but two total newcomers who rival them in both athletic prowess and lack of regard for their own well-being.

Match #2 - Number One Contender's Match for the Women of Honor Title
Madison Eagles vs Kylie Rae
Before Ronda Rousey or Becky Lynch, and before Stephanie McMahon pretended to care, the women's revolution (as far as North America was concerned) was centered in a little promotion called SHIMMER, led by Aussie specimen Madison Eagles. It's never been a better time to be a woman in wrestling, and Kylie Rae will have to go through one of the modern stalwarts to prove she isreally special.

Match #3
Tyler Black vs Johnny Gargano
The artist (or architect?) formerly known as Seth Rollins returns to the place that made him who he is today to take on one of the best wrestlers in the world, who somehow never made it here before.

Match #4 - ROH Tag Team Titles
Matt and Nick Jackson (C) vs Adam Cole and Kyle O'Reilly
Though they debuted in ROH as Future Shock, Cole and O'Reilly are much more the present now, and there's nothing shocking about how quickly they rose up the ranks in pro wrestling. Across the ring from them is the team many consider the best of the last decade, a couple of Bucks who may not be as young as they once were, but you wouldn't know it by the way they work. How about a classic ROH tag match for the middle of the card here, huh?

Match #5
Kota Ibushi vs Ricochet
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Match #6 - 6-Man Tag
CIMA, Masato Yoshino, and Naruki Doi vs Shun Skywalker, Takehiro Yamamura, and Kaito Ishida
13 years ago at Supercard of Honor, 6 men from Dragon Gate came to ROH and put on a match unlike anything that had ever been seen in America before. Speed. Innovation. Flow. It's a match forever in the history books as one of ROH's best ever. Tonight, the three men on the losing end of that match reunite to Open the Nostalgic Gate and avenge that ill-fated contest, and on the other side stand three of the fastest rising stars not just in the Dragon Gate system, but in all of Japan. Hope you've caught your breath from the last match, because there won't be a moment of rest in this one.
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I think the X-Men and mutants as a whole are going to be explained away as coming from the energy of the Snaps.
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I don't believe that's really Fury.
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Even more lucky is that Miles Morales wasn't snapped so he's now in the same class as Peter.

Or at least I hope that's where they're going.
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I was playing with the idea of Chucky T as a wrestler/commentator double duty so that's good to know.
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I'm assuming whoever we draft for a certain role has to have performed in that role in the last, say, calendar year?

Like I don't imagine I can have Cornette manage someone or stick Gabe Sapolsky on the commentary desk so he can scream DANGEROOOOUS at superplexes, right?
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I'm good with that. On reflection though, I'm also good with drafting if, say, Tom feels like he's getting shafted with WWE.
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It's possible. But even if that is the case seems unnecessary to put in the trailer.

I don't know. To me, it's either a fakeout, which seems like a totally fine thing to put in a trailer because unexpectedness can be fun sometimes, or it's real, which also seems fine because secret identities are barely even a thing in the MCU and they've clearly set up MJ to be very sharp and like she says, it's pretty obvious.
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She could just be screwing with him again. That seems to be her default setting.
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Jakyl25 posted...

If you get ROH are you trying to build a roster that fits 2019 ROH? <_<

Well, here's the thing.

I don't think current ROH, on a base conceptual level, is all that different from, say HDnet-era ROH. It's just that their roster is embarrassingly depleted.

If you give them AEW's roster with all of its star power and workrate I think the promotion would pretty instantly become more than watchable.
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I'd be down for ROH, AEW, or NJPW.

I could be talked into Impact but I imagine Tom or Eddv will take that anyway and I might also be the only one that actively wants ROH.
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So Mysterio's totally full of shit, right? Up to and including making an illusion of Fury and Hill to make it seem legitimate?

The Multiverse seems like way too huge of a bomb to drop in a trailer right on the heels of Endgame.
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That could work too. It would suck to have your whole draft thrown out the window just because you end up getting your second or third choice of brand, and we might be able to agree on it ahead of time anyway.
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I'd be inclined to support the latter option for the brands. I don't really know that any of us five would particularly enjoy trying to come up with a WWE-esque card in this sort of format.
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I'm available Friday from 10:00am - 2:30pm EST and all day Saturday.

Do you have all the rules worked out, Steiner? Do established tag teams count as one pick or do we have to draft both wrestlers separately? Are we essentially resetting champions and using the belts from whichever brand we select or do we get access to titles held by current champions we draft? Things like that. Trying to get my Big Board ready.
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Steiner posted...

iceman, there's a big match for you to look out for on SSS16 night 2 from what i'm hearing

spoilers for super strong style 16 night 1 i guess:
Devlin vs. Fletcher

Sick. I'm crazy behind on everything, I really need to start keeping a list.
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I'd likely be in.
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I'd really like to see Doctor Doom.
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Jakyl25 posted...

The question is posed Is this bad for AEW because WWE is killing the appetite for wrestling in general, or is this good for AEW because the people dumping WWE want an alternative?

Your thoughts

It's obviously somewhat concerning if AEW's TV deal hasn't been finalized yet and this ratings drop has TV execs tugging their collars.

Absent that issue, I'd say it's good. Most wrestling fans that still exist at all want to watch wrestling.
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I don't even think I understand the point that guy is trying to make.
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ScareChan posted...

and? did anyone think it was a retirement?

A disturbing amount of people, yes.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Hey guys I think they're punishing Bayley.

How can you tell the difference? From my outsider's perspective she's been getting punished for something ever since she got called up.
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Honestly, though, how many actors wouldn't want to come back to the MCU at this point?
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Russo said that Thanos and Maw were able to reverse-engineer the Pym Particles 2014-Nebula took off of 2019-Nebula to make enough to transport the whole army.
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According to that same Russo interview I posted earlier, the Soul Stone sacrifice really is everlasting and Widow is "never coming back."

Marvel's certainly misled us before (and I don't even think the Russos are signed on to direct any more MCU films at this stage) but it's not gonna surprise me if we don't see Black Widow again except in, like, flashbacks.
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I've seen some speculation that the BW movie will be set during the five year timeskip.

Interestingly, I'm somewhat less excited for most of the upcoming films than I was before I saw Endgame, but I'm actually looking forward to Black Widow more now. It wasn't until she died that I realized how much I liked her and how much I'm gonna miss the original six.
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I think I could sum up MCU Scarlet Witch as: not that interesting as a character, awesome as a superhero.
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Hey, I like Mantis. I agree she does a lot of great little things. I was just surprised to see her in a top 3 spot.
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What makes Mantis that high for you, scarlet?
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I wouldn't go super far out of my way to watch it or anything but I found it enjoyable enough for what it was.
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Avengers: Endgame
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Avengers: Infinity War
Captain America: Civil War
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Iron Man
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Captain America: The First Avenger
Doctor Strange
Iron Man 3
Ant-Man
Captain Marvel
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Thor
Iron Man 2
Black Panther
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk

This definitely depends on my mood a little bit but it looks about right. I agonized over Avengers 1 vs Winter Soldier and ended up picking pretty arbitrarily - I think they're exactly equal for me honestly.

Captain America
Star-Lord
Iron Man
Thor
Hawkeye
Doctor Strange
Ant-Man
Black Widow
Hulk
Spider-Man
Rocket Raccoon
Drax the Destroyer
Scarlet Witch
Gamora
Nick Fury
War Machine
Captain Marvel
Falcon
Nebula
Winter Soldier
Groot
Vision
Wong
Black Panther
Mantis
Shuri
Wasp
Okoye

This is pretty set in stone. I surprised myself with how much I picked Widow but upon reflection I enjoy her growth a lot over the movies.
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Hate to break up all the rankings but Joe Russo did a Q&A and if nothing else clears up what they were thinking in regards to Cap's adventures in time.

Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?

A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.

Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?

A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

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That cannot be real.
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Man, this would be right up my alley but I'm gonna have way too much going on for the next year or so to commit.

If you finish up with this campaign and want to run another afterwards, I'll be in for sure.
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NFUN posted...

As it turns out, I am a moron. Clearly it's been a while since I played SC.

Yeah, use this link instead of the one I posted.
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I'll throw in some noms but it won't upset me one bit if you'd rather not go too far over your limit.

Shovel Knight - In the Halls of the Usurper


La-Mulana 2 - In Yggdrasil


The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC - Silver Will Super Arrange

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My only prediction is Angel Beats makes top 10, because people either tend to absolutely love it or absolutely despise it and if it got this far it's probably still sticking around for a good while longer.
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You're in our thoughts, friend.
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Again, I'm just a casual anime viewer, but Death Parade is probably top 3 for me, in large part because some of its themes really strike a chord with me.

My only real complaint is that they maybe left a little too much unexplained about how the whole judgment process works. I think a lot of the ambiguity contributed to the intrigue of the show, but it was toeing the line of going overboard.
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