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MZero11 posted...

greengravy294 posted...

I am just trusting my intuition that Sultan would claim who he targeted. That is the correct play to do if he is afraid he was seen and he was pretty obviously afraid he was seen.

The flaw here is assuming Sultan made the correct play

The literally said 'did you see me going somewhere' when pressed for a same time claim >_>

Yes. Watcher fear.
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Now to play devils advocate: if Sultan shoots and it fizzles wouldn't that make him suspicious of a player?

Unless he thinks they were a candidate to actually be doctor saved as well.
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I am just trusting my intuition that Sultan would claim who he targeted. That is the correct play to do if he is afraid he was seen and he was pretty obviously afraid he was seen.
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Or were doctor saved

Whatever
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The truth of the matter is that either one of Corrik or Chris is scum. There is a missing shot.

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If Sultan visited Chris and was seen, Chris is scum BP.

If Sultan told the truth on who he acted on, Corrik is scum.

If Sultan absolutely bullshitted neither...are true, oops.
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The only thing that really throws things off is if Lea is actually Watcher. There is an alleged second person visiting Chris night 1 after all.
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Steiner
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And yes claiming doctor is obviously a losing move but what was he to do. Consider that Sultan was clueless on what to do, being a third party.
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Sultan knew he was untargetable and that Lea could "prove" him. When there was no way Sultan could be proven, ever. He called the bluff.
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If the SK gets caught lying as untargetable the actual only thing that can expose him (sans a counter claim) is a Watcher.

Thus the simplest conclusion is that Sultan would be truthful about who he visited.
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MZero11 posted...

So do you think Lea was lying?

Yes. Either you subscribe to Watcher+Tracker+Roleblocker+Chris's role or...what scum bp?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Theres no reason to believe Sultan was telling the truth

Sure there is. He was pretty obviously cognizant that someone saw something at some point.

I mean he pretty much folded to watcher fear, and knew Chris was lying. There is a kill missing night 1. His play was to say who he actually targeted so.
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I think probably occams razor says

##vote: Corrik

As Scum BP. Targeted by Sultan, right?
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Okay how are we going to untie this gordian knot.

Go figure none of the claimed power are even shot, instead opting for red. :thinking:
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Stinkers boom
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And it was done by a dealer anyway. I just didnt want to play it because Blackjack payed 6:5
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Well I won at it!

I just had a headache and was super nervous. And the buy in stakes were lower, so I felt more comfortable starting out there. I won like 40 bucks. And then lost from there
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I kinda felt uncomfortable sitting at a table so I played digitally
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I won on Blackjack and lost it all on slots and roulette

Final loss was 170 buckos and I've decided I have had enough
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Woah
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Gonna play fire emblem hanneman best boy
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Sultan only attacks the last person to attack him, like the Berserk status in FF.
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Leanansidhe posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Wait so scare visited Chris?!

How can that be, I thought you were the doctor?

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Meh. Chris has been the sole focal point this whole game and having spent probably 5 years obsessively trying to surpass him at playing this game I actually have a fairly good idea about how he plays.
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What exactly else was there to talk about.
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Lopen posted...

greengravy294 posted...

Well I'm actually caught up. I was never pursuing Chris though, that's completely wrong. I used him to generate content. I said he was lying town.

Well I'm glad we're saying things that were never said were completely wrong

DEER faction not the strongest? Also completely wrong.

What?
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Are you quitting because that's modkillable so maybe we can push this game faster and maybe I can contribute to a day 3 before I'm stuck at work all week
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Well I'm actually caught up. I was never pursuing Chris though, that's completely wrong. I used him to generate content. I said he was lying town.
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Leanansidhe posted...

roleblocked, Sultan might be the mafia roleblocker. Possible he's a town blocker, or doctor

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Keiko Yukimura
Town Doctor

Thanks fuckers for outting the doctor

I visited Corrik

Fucking 100% rofl, it's actually kinda hilarious that the Chris meta was on the money (still reading dont shoot me)
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

GREEN GRAVY are you actually going to contribute....

##unvote: chris

##Vote: Green Gravy

Like seriously has he been only trollong all game?!

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Oh I guess I missed 50 more posts while my phone didnt load the page while playing fe3h

Back to fe3h
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MZero11 posted...

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Idk if i can trust you lea... feels like scum... maybe im just paranoid?

I'm going to claim even if you don't, and if you're town it's going to go much better for you if you comply. If you're scum, feel free to claim after I force the issue.

Did you see me do something?

oof

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Lopen posted...

The Japanese Government

Oh well okay
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Lopen posted...

No Sultan don't claim if they try to lynch you I will mayor it

Flavor?
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How about Argath Thadalfus?

Why didnt we nominate him again???
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Claims are helpful because as Lopen said we are effectively stifled of any facts to this point.
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I am talking about whom I am voting for in support of a player I think is lying town.
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I just want claims so I am going along with this charade
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Lopen if I can explain to you my perspective, take a look at Absurd Mafia. If possible. Scum destroyed that game iirc. It was like 11 man though. My view may be tainted because of it. I dont know
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Necron is a non character since it doesnt even like really represent anything, says esteemed user th3l3fty. He cites that Dark Nation is not a character either.

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What say you chris

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Lopen posted...

Because Chris is not so conceited to think that funneling an entire day's discussion into Sultan with a fakeclaim that says he's scum is smart. Not 3 hours in. Trying to completely strangle discussion on both day 1 and 2 seems like a really strong opening play to me as scum. By the time he's off the table the better town players are dead and we've wasted the first 3 days with gimme lynches

You know I actually concur with you here.

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And yes I just did entertain that he could be bussing Sultan but I think it unlikely. Occulams razor and all that.

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I don't trust you so I don't trust your reactions.

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But why go after Sultan with such an obvious, elaborate "gravy fake claim", Lopen? Why could he not be fishing for a reaction on Sultan with fake actions. Like I mean no offense.

The only thing I see it helping his cause is to set up Sultan as a fake goat down the line......which scum is in control of the game and that would make no sense to me.

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Like if Chris is scum he would have to have played the worst game possible, that's just unthinkable to me


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Everything he has done has been so obviously pandering to each B8ism

Jack--often fake claimed
Follow the cop trade
Chris left alive but a RB target
I had more but now I forget.

Like...its so deliberately wrong to me. Am I only noticing this shit because I have sat out so much and seen town always lose to this kinda shit?


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Scum chris the bad scum player he is makes a bizarre nonsensical claim to suicide for literally sultan

Yup.

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Or was


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Oh gee I guess he is.

Lol

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