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Cloud - 1-1
Crono - 0-1
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Persona 5 Joker announced for SSBU. A bit too late to save him, though.

Oh wow. Lucky Claire!
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Ok sorry I overreacted. It's just that there is something in the way you talk that gives off a condescending feel. But I don't mean to make enemies with you.

For the record, you're not alone -- I've also had similar feelings about Yuri lately. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems like there's a certain kind of brash attitude that's assumes more confidence than necessary in debated topics with him and that makes nuance feel disregarded.

Similarly not trying to make an enemy here either. I don't think it was the best time to call out for this during the two times I've seen him called out for it, but I do see where you're coming from in general and am glad to see it wasn't just me.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

X struggled to beat Tifa and MM can beat Cloud now

haha cmon guys this result is getting some of you carried away.

Here's an example of what I think we're talking about, especially since we saw Tifa > Sephiroth. How far away is Sephiroth from Cloud nowadays? SSB4's DLC may have separated them more, but historically they've been close. I'm taking Cloud > Mega Man, but this isn't settled.

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ayyy its me today

Hereeeeeey. The account pays off!
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Link is a monster.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Mario - 2-0
Link - 1-0
Solid Snake - 1-0
Samus - 0-1
Cloud - 0-1
Sephiroth - 0-1
Sonic - 0-1
Mega Man - n/a
Crono - n/a

Link's twelfth win over Cloud is his biggest win one-on-one over him. Wow.
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Update tomorrow, but good lord at today.
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The theory is if you have to vote in every match each day instead of just the matches you want to each day, the matches that would normally have less interest now have a new influx of votes that probably favor the more recognizable character.

It's not confirmed, but it makes some sense after seeing Pac-Man as well as Crash and Spyro.
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snake_5036 posted...

How far does the Mario Star make it?

Oh god, this would be invincible.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Mario - 2-0
Solid Snake - 1-0
Samus - 0-1
Sephiroth - 0-1
Sonic - 0-1
Link - n/a
Cloud - n/a
Mega Man - n/a
Crono - n/a

Solid Snake is mad and is trying to redeem himsekf after losing to Zelda by beating Sonic as hard as he can...which, right now, looks to be pretty much equal to Zelda's performance. Between this and seeing how similarly some of these other rematches have been going, expect an excellent rematch between Snake and Zelda if they cross paths again.
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The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Link - 2-0
Samus - 2-0
Crono - 2-0
Cloud - 1-0
Sephiroth - 4-1
Mega Man - 2-1
Solid Snake - 1-1
Sonic - 1-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 15-4

CURRENT RECORD so far: 15-4 (78.95%)

Mega Man exacts revenge on Pikachu, aw yeah. Crono beats down Bowser almost identically though, and Samus is smashing Tifa again similarly too.

Add three to the scoreboard.
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I would rather assume the other eight Noble Niners get at least three easy wins rather than four so we don't have to imagine eight new gimme-divisions for them, putting them right about at that 90% mark. Still, your point is made.

Crono beats Bowser again, and while Mega Man is doing better I am not ready to call it for him yet. My blue blombin' heart has been broken before!
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Tag -- thank you for the OP shout out!
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It's all about Toon Link really when it comes to the Links in the SSB series. Sheik's far and away the best LoZ-character throughout the SSB-series though.
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I unfortunately cannot make the time for it right now, but I agree that would be rad information for anybody ready to pick up the idea and run with it.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Mario - 2-0
Samus - 0-1
Sephiroth - 0-1
Link - n/a
Sonic - n/a
Solid Snake - n/a
Cloud - n/a
Mega Man - n/a
Crono - n/a

'Stache still brings the heat, but only barely by enough this time.
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I'll wait until later to update how Noble Niners do against each other since Samus/Mario is close, but this is Samus's first match this contest against a fellow Noble Niner and it's against Mario who beat her three times in the past.
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Tonight, on Noble Watch:

The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Link - 2-0
Samus - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Crono - 1-0
Sephiroth - 4-1
Solid Snake - 1-1
Mega Man - 1-1
Sonic - 1-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 12-4

CURRENT RECORD so far: 12-4 (75%)

Sonic bites the dust against Zelda, bringing us Zelda's second win over the Noble Nine and our fourth total Noble Nine-loss.this contest. While Sonic is known for getting revenge on those outsiders who break the Noble Nine on him, right now it doesn't look like he'll get to do it too soon.

At this moment, the Noble Nine's win-loss percentage is doing almost 10% worse against outsiders than they ever have in a contest before. For comparison, 2013's record was 49-9 for 84.48%. 2007, 2008, and 2010 each had their records at 90+%. 2002-2006 was a perfect 100%.

To be fair, part of that percentage decline comes from a loss meaning more when the Noble Nine gets fewer matches against outsiders. Still, the Noble Nine has lost at least one match every contest since 2007 and if you don't count the rallies of 2007/2013 then we've only seen this many Noble Nine losses in 2008 -- a contest where they had ninety-six matches and the element of LFF.
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I like including Link in the contest albeit in smaller ways like this contest, the Battle Royale, and the Tournament of Champions all do.

One idea I've wanted to see done for years is a gauntlet. I used to advocate for a whole contest like this, starting from the least nominated character and working our way up to the most nominated character...but really, I think just removing the Noble Nine or the top sixteen nominated characters or something along those lines would be appropriate for a gauntlet after the main bracket is completed. There would be lots of close matches and it would limit the impact of our heaviest hitters.
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So Pikachu is the huge favorite against Ganondorf in a match now, right? I would just encourage people to be careful with such a match-up since we're seeing the LoZ-series can SFF the Pokemon-series afterall and we know Ganon got Bacondorf'd against Mega Man's sprite so it's an unlevel comparison when put beside Pikachu's upset over Mega Man.

I'd take Pikachu > Ganondorf to be clear, but I wouldn't rule out Ganondorf.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Mario - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Sephiroth - 0-1
Crono - 0-1
Link - n/a
Sonic - n/a
Samus - n/a
Solid Snake - n/a
Mega Man - n/a

Cloud doubles his amount of victories over Crono today.
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I think it's okay to call these matches today:

The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Link - 2-0
Sonic - 1-0
Samus - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Crono - 1-0
Sephiroth - 4-1
Solid Snake - 1-1
Mega Man - 1-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 12-3

CURRENT RECORD so far: 12-3 (80%)

Link slays. This is likely Link's last match against an outsider this contest. The only ways he has another match against an outsider this year is if Zelda beats Mario in the winner's bracket or if Zelda/Pikachu/Tifa run the gambit in the loser's bracket.

Or, you know, maybe there's a fun bonus match.
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As far as the winner's bracket goes, Pikachu loses to Link tomorrow and Zelda would have to "upset" Sonic and actually-upset Mario to see either outsider in a semi-final match.

Loser's bracket is more likely, but again, it looks tough to even get the shot. Pikachu would have to win his rematch against Mega Man and then win his rematch with Crono (this time without Magus) for his chance to face Cloud on a one-match day. Zelda's path to a one-match day is more fluid and versatile, but the long and the short of it is that she's likely facing Mario or rematching against Solid Snake on such a day.

I think I'm looking at this right anyway.
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Maniac64 posted...

Sephiroth is fully eliminated so that purist excuse is gone now.

Yep. Only excuse left standing is that no Noble Niner this contest has been eliminated and lost the raw vote total count on a day where there is only one match to vote on. All else of any level of reason I'm aware of is gone, and that excuse is wavering in the wind.

Which matches are we expecting to be one match only on their day, besides the final day? There are a few others, but the schedule confused me when I last saw it.
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Tonight, on Noble Watch:

The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Link - 1-0
Sonic - 1-0
Samus - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Crono - 1-0
Sephiroth - 4-1
Solid Snake - 1-1
Mega Man - 1-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 11-3

CURRENT RECORD so far: 11-3 (78.57%)

Solid Snake shakes off the idea of losing twice to outsiders in a row. Meanwhile, Sephiroth's four padded wins earlier in the bracket don't mean diddly against Tifa.

Sephiroth's loss is interesting considering this is basically a change in a game's hierarchy. The only other Noble Nine losses we could maaaaaybe say are like this are Mewtwo over Sonic, Pikachu over Mega Man, and Zelda over Solid Snake if you want to go the Smash-route of this angle...but really, I don't consider this the same situation.
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Mega Man, character and series both.
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Disagree, enjoyed it a lot.

It's kind of amazing to see how forced this PC/Stong and Kids angle is and how barely it seems like they know where it's going to go, but somehow it's still working.
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As for today's update:

The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Sephiroth - 4-0
Link - 1-0
Sonic - 1-0
Samus - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Crono - 1-0
Solid Snake - 0-1
Mega Man - 1-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 10-2

CURRENT RECORD so far: 10-2 (83.33%)

A match that cooooouuuuuld have been scary for Mega Man was suddenly neutered by the return of the scariest two words since "Reddit rally" and "Tumblr rally:" sprite round.

If I'm following this bracket right, this means after Link chalks up a win against Pikachu then Mega Man will get his rematch to redeem himself against Pikachu.
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HaRRicH posted...

The Noble Niners who lost twice in a row:

What's worse for a Noble Niner than losing to an outsider? Doing so twice in a row in back-to-back matches.

Solid Snake is the only character so far to fit this description. He lost to L-Block twice in a row, and then Snake lost to the block a third time in a row -- all in the same contest.

We may see this happen with Mega Man soon too, having lost to Pikachu and then possibly Ganondorf.

Meanwhile, while this is slightly different, Sephiroth is the only character to lose to two outsiders at the same time -- Draven and Mewtwo ganged up on him in 2013.

Update: Mega Man avoids this club, leaving it just to Snake and Sephiroth for the moment.

In addition, I should note Snake has lost twice in a row when you reach across contests -- he lost to Draven in 2013 before then losing to Zelda in 2018.

And now Snake may be on the verge of losing a third time in a row AGAIN if his pic sabotage against Auron is bad enough.
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I'll have to catch up later, but sprite rounds returning change everything for Ganondorf and Solid Snake. Tifa might pull off the win too.

Woooooooow. I'm ooh'ing and ah'ing in a parking lot over this shit right now.

Contest is crazy.
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Also, thank you for the compliments and shout-outs everyone. Be sure to take note it isn't just me compiling these. I'm glad to see how much we still care about this group of nine characters -- not even like each individual character, but the group itself.
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Safer_777 posted...

Can you post their highest percentage victories and their highest percentage losses ever? If adjusting stats based on 4-ways is hard, have the 1-1 only then.

If you can wait a few days for me, I can do it. Alternatively, I encourage someone else to pick up this mantle before then -- the next few days are busier for me and I'll probably just be updating this contest's records doing that time.
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Epona
Pokemon Trainer Blue
Terra
Yuna

Top two of that fourway advances to Link and Cloud to make us start this conversation over again.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Solid Snake won with registered voters...!

With the way this contest has trended toward Nitendo, that's almost worth its own category.
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The Noble Niners who lost twice in a row:

What's worse for a Noble Niner than losing to an outsider? Doing so twice in a row in back-to-back matches.

Solid Snake is the only character so far to fit this description. He lost to L-Block twice in a row, and then Snake lost to the block a third time in a row -- all in the same contest.

We may see this happen with Mega Man soon too, having lost to Pikachu and then possibly Ganondorf.

Meanwhile, while this is slightly different, Sephiroth is the only character to lose to two outsiders at the same time -- Draven and Mewtwo ganged up on him in 2013.
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I forgot to note about Solid Snake's loss yesterday: he was outvoted in the raw vote count as well, meaning he is the first Noble Niner to truly be outvoted by individuals against an outsider in a full-day one-on-one match.

Only excuses left for the Noble Nine include:

1) Solid Snake was not eliminated, so it doesn't count (though we have seen this done in four-ways before, we have not for one-on-one matches).

2) We are in a format with multiple matches at a time and that changes how voters vote (weak excuse that might still be broken later this contest too).

The excuses for purity keep dwindling.
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Just realized who the favorite would deserve to be actually.....

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HeroicSpiderPig posted...

Is Yuna the strongest character to never face the Noble Nine? Outside of people like Geralt that were only this past contest.

Oof, I'm not ready to compile that list of contenders. Speaking of FFX though, Jecht could enter this conversation.
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We can also start this category!

The Noble Nine against themselves in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Mario - 1-0
Sephiroth - 0-1
Link - n/a
Sonic - n/a
Samus - n/a
Solid Snake - n/a
Cloud - n/a
Mega Man - n/a
Crono - n/a

After losing six matches in a row to Sephiroth, Mario gets his first victory in dominating fashion. Revenge is a dish best served with Princess Peach's cake.
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As for today's update on this year's contest.....

The Noble Nine against outsiders in 2018s contest (generally defined by full-day-format one-on-one matches with multiple polls per day and registered users getting double-votes + some days with only one poll per day) *INCOMPLETE*:

Sephiroth - 4-0
Link - 1-0
Sonic - 1-0
Samus - 1-0
Cloud - 1-0
Crono - 1-0
Solid Snake - 0-1
Mega Man - 0-1
Mario - n/a

In 2018 so far: 9-2

CURRENT RECORD so far: 9-2 (81.82%)

Zelda joins the club of Noble Nine breakers. Ouch! I expected her to beat Sonic, but beating Snake shocked me and I never took the idea seriously. Wow.

Meanwhile, Sonic has successfully clapped back against Auron twice since Auron first beat Sonic in 2008.

Barring pro-porn-but-anti-Nintendo rallies, Samus chalks up another win against Tifa.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in 2013s contest (generally defined by its three-way matches):

Solid Snake - 1-0
Samus - 1-1
Mega Man - 0-1
Sephiroth - 0-0
Cloud - 0-0
Sonic - 0-0
Link - 0-0
Mario - 0-0
Crono - 0-0

This year was not about the inner workings of the Noble Nine -- this contest was originally about honoring them when they were all given 1-seeds, but later we saw this was really about the assault thrown upon them all.

The only relevant matches here are Samus > Mega Man > Red and Draven > Solid Snake > Samus. Outside or Snake/Samus/Mega, the only other Noble Niner to even escape their division was Sephiroth, but he was up against two jacked-up rallies from Draven and Mewtwo so he never got to face Link or Sonic like many of us once predicted.
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Okay, so since I've been measuring these by contest more specifically than each individual match's format, I hope this is better for covering my angle. Thank you for the critique of my wording as well as the other people stepping in with the research better covering how each match fit which format.

So now.....

The Noble Nine against themselves in 2010s contest (generally defined by its half-day one-on-one matches and regular vote counts -- also includes a few full-day matches late in the contest):

In 2010:

Link - 3-0
Cloud - 2-1
Snake - 1-1
Mario - 1-1
Sephiroth - 0-1
Sonic - 0-1
Mega Man - 0-1
Samus - 0-1
Crono - 0-0

Solid Snake finally gets his fair win over Sephiroth after stealing one from him in the 2006 Battle Royale. Crono was the only one who didn't face a Noble Niner this contest due to Missingno, which is the only thing more embarrassing than losing to every Noble Niner.
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Ryu needs to face Link and Mario soon so we can have the Noble Nine ranked through one individual's battles with all nine.

Good research hoss!
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Oh whoops.

I think what I'm actually doing is categorizing them by contest/year and got carried away trying to label the categories when I group similar contests together since these tend to have phases. 2006 was mostly one-on-one and I messed that label by not acknowledging the Battle Royale appropriately in the name, my bad.
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The Noble Nine against themselves in four-ways:

Link - 15-0

In 2007: 8-0
In 2008: 7-0

Cloud - 8-5

In 2007: 5-2
In 2008: 3-3

Snake - 6-4

In 2007: 1-2
In 2008: 5-2

Sephiroth - 4-6

In 2007: 2-4
In 2008: 2-2

Samus - 4-6

In 2007: 3-3
In 2008: 1-3

Crono - 2-6

In 2007: 0-1
In 2008: 2-5

Mario - 1-6

In 2007: 0-3
In 2008: 1-3

Sonic - 0-3

In 2007: 0-1
In 2008: 0-2

Mega Man - 0-4

In 2007: 0-3
In 2008: 0-1

Link, Cloud, and Solid Snake were the only three to come away with winning records within their own ranks. Meanwhile, Sonic and Mega Man came away with no victories from within.and actually lost to outsiders more often than they beat fellow Noble Niners.
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This has been a great episode so far.

*put on my box*
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Oh hey, way to get in there Tsunami! I'll continue in my direction to cover the different formats.
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