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Dels posted...

The Messenger?

I don't know if you liked it!

I did forget about The Messenger. It's further down on my list of games to check out because it seems like a pretty straightforward action game, albeit apparently a very good one.

You will either be right or you will be right

I think they can stop when he stops calling people who like Pokemon SJWs and cucks.

they're fine with it, ok. I did not know that coming in. I really thought it was a culture of bullying, I haven't been back here since the 2015 contest(3 years), and it was NOT like that back then.

I won't feel sympathy for them. I'll try to say less stupid stuff going forward.

I guess I just really felt uncomfortable being in the discord today. I felt entertained at first... but then really sad.

Bt's comments and Extha+ XIII's responses... it just got to me.

Calling me dumb, stupid, when I never said anything negative towards them at the time. I couldn't understand why.

well yes you shouldn't bring up sensitive topics without at least being properly informed about them

I've gotten bullied in the past month on here too, that's all. I know you guys don't really like me.

Maybe I'm the one that's depressed...

oh even if it's a troll job I do believe he legitimately has no clue about what really happened with GFK or Kazbar

Lopen posted...

I know among b8 players I'd probably rank you 4th best as town at best so unless B8 is the best mafia community out there it seems implausible you'd be top 5 town in the world. Very plausible you'd be top 5 on b8 though.

it is very likely we have the best players in the world in our community. Whenever we send players to do the cross community events they kill it. Chris was a finalist and I think MI and Dels both won the championship games?

From what I have seen we have like the cream of the crop

Oooooh that could be fun. Merlin trying to strongly hint at who scum are without giving themself away.

Shaduln posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

I get killed N1 almost every game though which is the downside.

This is why resistance is so much better since there's no player elimination tbh.

My interest is piqued.

I know among b8 players I'd probably rank you 4th best as town at best so unless B8 is the best mafia community out there it seems implausible you'd be top 5 town in the world. Very plausible you'd be top 5 on b8 though.

it's like people intentionally pick less good characters.

sultan, you and I could join johnbobb on death.

or any of you can just vote me or we can vote johnbobb. but i'm not gonna vote johnbobb.

OR we can all turn against corrik.

who wants to do what?

just don't let people intimidate you into doing anything you don't want to do.

you can trust me if you want to. you don't have to listen to corrik and han.

do what you want to do, and don't feel ashamed about it.

I'm sorry, it's still too hard for me to understand, but, question: isn't it possible corrik has exactly the role he says he does, but it's just a scum role?

Look, Han isn't showing a real desire to engage with me.

If I was in his shoes, I'd be happy to see me replace in.

He should be treating me like a new piece of the puzzle to play with - instead I feel I'm being treated like I'm a wrench in his plans and he has to continue to jam me into the puzzle the way he wanted to jam puns.

Johnbobb and Sultan and Neablis, you guys are the ones I think are on my side. Do you believe Corrik that I'm manipulating you or whatever? You think maybe this narrative of the "confirmed towns" with "strong power roles" might be a trick? This goes to you too, IGCD, though I'm a bit wary Han scanned you as a buddy, but eh. If so, death is my townie buddy instead.

Neablis, I'm being told that I'm completely insane to suggest that Han or Corrik could be scum.

Help me out here. Are they 100% lock confirmed town, or not?

omg, i'm the crazy conspiracy theorist for suggesting that han and corrik might not be as confirmed as they say they are, meanwhile here they are working together to convince everyone to lynch me for my outrageous theory. lol. they are trying to overpower my one single voice and portray me as a crazy person!

I guess what I'm feeling is, I don't want to vote Johnbobb today. I won't stop you from doing it if it's what you feel is right. But I don't feel right doing it. I can vote Corrik if we want to make that play, or I can vote death as a safe option, because it's not like any of my scenarios have death as town. What are you thinking?

Look, the role stuff goes over my head, but I simplify things like this - Is it possible that scum has some sort of powerful watcher role that is designed to make them look like "confirmed" helpful town? Yeah, it's possible. I don't need to figure out the intricacies of it to know that this wouldn't be the first time some unique role turns out to be scum despite the person saying "oh but it's such a town role, how would i ever be scum with this" And if it's possible, that means corrik being scum isn't off the table, and if it's not off the table, then who cares.

I won't turn against you no matter how much they say our roles can't co-exist, sultan. =P

and han, i just reject your argument about corrik's behaviour. idk his town behaviour that well but i've seen his scum behaviour recently and it was exactly the same as this. this thing about how he does his own thing vs analyzing data just feels really easily to manipulate. he's not that easy to read, hell, doesn't he win every time he's scum?

if neablis is town, that means corrik was powerwolfing and thought he could push that lynch through. johnbobb follows. corrik realizes it's not getting traction (multiple people defended neablis from what i saw) so he backs off because he doesn't wanna push too hard, but hopes it goes through eventually?

my other suspects are... what, han and death...? man, neither of you are doing anything really. no one's doing anything. this is a really dead mylo.

IF the team really is han and corrik, then they just defend each other with their claim stuff and know that people will accept the loud voices and lynch elsewhere, then they win as long as their 3rd buddy manages to not get lynched.

man, death, it'd be great if you were ever town some time, we'd make decent allies, i like having level headed people to bounce ideas off of.

also, thanks death, i'm convinced. ffnut was town. sultan is town.

so i'll officially move neablis into my "definitely not voting" category, and if he's just good scum who is fooling me, then congrats =/

Let's consider the Corrik/Han team.

They're in this position where they have by far the most "confirmed" roles, they have more night action info than anyone else, and they're essentially using it to back each other up. From both of their perspectives, they trust each other and therefore trust that IGCD is town. And Corrik trusts Sultan, and Han trusts Neablis, so they both have a PoE of Puns/Johnbobb/Death/Neablis or Sultan, is that right?

They're basically in the best position in the game, if they are town, since they think they have everything mostly figured out, and therefore they are on track to win.

But if I look at people's behaviour today, it feels like Neablis and Sultan are doing more to question things, with Neablis analyzing all the night action stuff from different angles, Sultan trying to go after Corrik and seeming confused about what to do... Johnbobb just went for Neablis, IGCD is also questioning things it seems.

The question is if those people are doing all this work because they're scum who are in trouble from being locked down by Corrik and Han's roles, or if they're just confused town who don't have a clue what to do at mylo. They don't feel like they're panicking, so I dunno. Meanwhile Corrik and Han should be the most confident, but Corrik... backed off of Neablis, and seems a bit cagey about who he actually will vote today. (Back to Neablis? Me? Death?) It feels like he's trying to get a feel for things before making a move, doesn't it? I wish Han was here to talk, because Han also didn't really feel like had much of a direction, even though he really should, shouldn't he?

And also, if Corrik and Han are really so confirmed town, why would scum try to cast doubt onto them? Multiple people admitted that Corrik and Han could be scum still, Sultan and IGCD even voted Corrik (if I can trust the votals lol)

It feels like, if they're scum who knew Corrik was a super OP town role, they'd just say "yeah Corrik is town", they wouldn't risk looking bad by shading him or voting him.

Neablis is new-ish, right?

He seems pretty earnest to me. Doing a lot of work to solve things. Writing big stream-of-consciousness posts where he goes through all his thoughts to try to solve some mess of night actions I don't really get. He answers questions calmly and never has trouble explaining himself. He seems confident in himself.

Doesn't feel like scum to me. Not newbie scum, at least. People think he's capable of faking this?

My only other thought right now is that besides Neablis being town (which I could be wrong about if I'm a naive fool), I'd also say Johnbobb is probably town?

Reason being his confidence in voting Neablis, the way he keeps bringing up that one of him/neablis/corrik must be scum due to mylo-logic. Sometimes that's a powerwolf tactic (i.e. a scum playing really boldly), but johnbobb doesn't feel like that kind of player.

it sounds like han is likely town because of this complex interaction he had with neablis, but just remember that sometimes scum can tell when town is doing a gambit, and they play into it and then everyone thinks they're town for it because that's the simplest (and most naive) explanation

i don't have a clue what happened, i'm just saying, be careful

what's a scum watcher really gonna help scum with? maybe get lucky and identify some power roles? sounds like a decent play to do what a town watcher would do, and get "confirmed" for it

so even if han is scum, he probably doesn't tie himself to his buddy IGCD with an inno scan, yeah? that's too risky?

so IGCD probably town even if han is scum? does anyone disagree?

i say vote corrik

in my brief time in the thread, i feel like i keep seeing people express that he's not necessarily confirmed town

but no one really doing anything about it

it feels like scum are potentially trying to keep the "corrik's role makes him town" narrative alive because it's what'll push them through to a win

it doesn't feel like scum are trying to discredit a "confirmed" town role because they need the mislynch. i.e. scum are at mylo and there's easy lynches on the table (i seem to be one of them) so they have no need to start doubting corrik here. if he's town they'd just accept that he's seen as confirmed town, and wouldn't bother. so it's more likely the people shading him are town, yeah?

i'm aware this would make han scum since han is pushing the "corrik has to be town" angle the most. we'll see.

and if we admit a scum watcher might pick the "pretend to be town watcher" play, then corrik deserves no points for doing what a town watcher would do.

like, i'm going all in with trusting neablis 'cause that's what i've got.

my basic instincts tell me that johnbobb is okay. same-ish for sultan, plus i'm treating neablis that the guy sultan replaced had a really townie start.

so that leaves corrik, han, igcd, and death. if igcd is town, then that makes my scumteam corrik/han/death. likely i'm wrong about one of those and either john or sultan is fooling me (or neablis is a pro) but that's my read of the game as of now.

So after doing some reading, I still feel Neablis, Johnbobb, Sultan, and IGCD are town, which still leaves me with the Corrik/Han powerwolf team, with death thrown in through PoE.

I explained why I think Neablis' effort looks good.

I explained why I think Johnbobb's level of conviction and stubbornness/annoyingness is towny to me.

I explained why I think that even if Han is scum, he wouldn't tie himself to a buddy with a fake townscan, and therefore IGCD is likely town.

And I explained why FFNut's initial claim looks really good for Sultan.

That leaves me with Corrik, Han, and death, who have good claims, but I don't see behavioural reasons to townread them.

I've outlined my process very clearly. I'm not throwing darts anywhere, and I won't allow you to trick people into believing that just by repeating it enough times.

No corrik i was going to vote death regardless after thinking it out and death was the obvious choice you fucked up dude