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Squall28 posted...

Is immigration even that big of an issue to warrant something so drastic?

It's not. To the extent that it is a problem, it's one that peaked several years ago and has been in decline since
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shokan_warrior posted...

If only there was a nationalistic and caring leader, like some kinda national socialist to change things but that'll never happen.....right?

This is a weird non-sequitur
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http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180725/columbus-police-spokesman-indicted-on-child-pornography-charges

A Columbus police sergeant who until recently served as the divisions spokesman is accused of downloading child pornography to his personal cell phone.

Sgt. Dean Worthington, 51, was indicted Wednesday by a Franklin County grand jury on three counts of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor and one count of illegal use of a minor in nudity oriented material, all second-degree felonies.

Worthington was relieved of his duties on July 17. The division announced at the time that he was under investigation by the Franklin County Sheriffs Office but provided no other details.

I have been on a grand jury that indicted a dude on child porn charges. Not pleasant
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Seems bad, imo
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CruelBuffalo posted...

SE Cupp is a reasonable Republican

Nah
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God bless
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Corman321 posted...

Antifar posted...

Corman321 posted...

Why, though? Why is it different?

Because there's a long history of black people being compared to apes so as to denigrate their intelligence and humanity, a history which does not exist for white people.

Alright, there's also a long history of children being raped, so where does that context fall for Gunn's jokes?

I don't give a shit about Gunn, I really couldn't care one way or the other. The jokes were bad, imo. But as you pointed out, the parallel to Roseanne's bullshit is not there; trying to force that connection isn't helpful to the discourse.
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Corman321 posted...

Why, though? Why is it different?

Because there's a long history of black people being compared to apes so as to denigrate their intelligence and humanity, a history which does not exist for white people.
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Corman321 posted...

I don't see why that should be

History, mainly
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Corman321 posted...

The context is a comedian joking about the way a politician looks.

There are huge differences in context between a white person being compared to a monkey and a black person.
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nexigrams posted...

Maybe in like 5000 years or something. Currently, OVER population is the problem.

It isn't.
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In terms of games that have campaign or story modes, probably Xcom 2, which I've done three times now
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Aye posted...

Weak on crime, if your skin color is white, in other words.

If your collar is white is more accurate.
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Context exists
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It was always this garbage.
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Caution999 posted...

You didn't seem to give a flying EFF then...not until Trump got in office. How fascinating.

To the extent that I turned a blind eye towards Obama's abhorrent immigration policies (as someone who regularly posted about them), that's on me. What's your excuse for defending the actions now?
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To the extent that these things are true, they're bad and not acceptable.
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Caution999 posted...

Yeah, if parents decide to try and illegally come thru the country with their children - that's their decision. They can be held for the consequences of making a poor choice. They certainly know there is a possibility they could be separated from their child. That's not the United States' fault.

You've gone in less than 20 minutes from saying "nobody supports family separation" to saying you support it.
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https://www.apnews.com/8953d747447e4467bde25b19492e2be4

While Donald Trump has positioned himself as a tough, law and order president, he has mostly excluded one group of offenders from his sights: those of the corporate class, according to a report released Wednesday by Washington-based watchdog Public Citizen.

The report found that in 11 of the 12 federal agencies led by a Trump-appointed official during the presidents first year, penalties imposed on corporate violators dropped, in the majority of cases by more than 50 percent.

Penalties dropped at the Justice Department by 90 percent, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission by 80 percent and the Securities and Exchange Commission by 68 percent.

The largest drop was at the Environmental Protection Agency, formerly led by Scott Pruitt, where overall penalties dropped by 94 percent, from nearly $24 billion in President Barack Obamas last year in office to $1.5 billion. Penalties at the Federal Communications Commission dropped overall by 85 percent.

The EPA and FCC data doesnt break out actions against corporations as well as municipalities and individuals. The FCCs data was mostly made up of corporate offenders while the EPAs data was mostly a mix of municipalities and corporate offenders, according to Public Citizen.

Reducing regulations on business, in general, was one of Trumps earliest campaign promises. And the Public Citizen report found that it was indeed a promise kept.

Despite all his various tics and tantrums, hes a corporate CEO, said Rick Claypool, who co-wrote the report. So hes coming into it with that corporate mindset, and his sympathies are going to be with the companies on the receiving end of that enforcement action.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Claypool said he found it striking that federal agency heads are willing to work with companies to bring them into compliance and avoid harsh penalties while their attitude toward low-level drug offenses and first-time border crossings has been zero tolerance.

One example given in the report was the case of Minnesota-based Syngenta Seeds LLC. In the last full month of the Obama administration, the EPA announced it would be seeking nearly $4.9 million in penalties against the company for violating pesticide regulations meant to protect agricultural workers at its farm in Hawaii.

Two months later, in the first full month of the Trump administration, the EPA agreed to have the companys penalty lowered to $150,000 and have it spend $400,000 on a worker safety curriculum and training program.

Of the agencies on the list, one did have a sizable increase in penalty sums. The amount of penalties issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control increased its penalty sums by 465 percent, from $22 million to $124.2 million. The increase is representative of a more overtly robust stance on the issue.

Trump has used the threat of sanctions in his diplomacy efforts, including against Chinese institutions in its dealings with telecom giant ZTE which ultimately became a bargaining chip for Trumps own business operations. The president also allowed the threat of sanctions to loom in a recent tweet about consequences against Iran for its behavior. The agency under Trump has added more than 100 people and entities connected to North Korea to its blocked persons.
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There was a 48 percent drop in enforcement actions from 27 to 14 during Trumps first year in office. Enforcement dropped by 44 percent for the SEC and 39 percent for the FCC.

Since enforcement actions span years, the report credited the administration in power with the action. The researchers also noted that because these are ongoing processes that arent susceptible to abrupt changes, given typically unchanged career staffs, the findings are more notable.

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Caution999 posted...

Pretty sure Obama being 'born in Kenya' is another conspiracy theory like JFK's shooting.

One believed by a sizable chunk of Republicans, even to this day
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/02/51-of-gop-voters-obama-foreign-049554 A majority in this 2011 poll
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-one-in-four-americans-think-obama-was-not-born-in-us/ 45 percent here
https://www.mediaite.com/online/new-poll-shows-that-41-of-republicans-still-dont-think-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s/ 41 percent as of two years ago

Caution999 posted...

Nobody supports child separations.

55 percent of Republicans do
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392802-poll-majority-of-republicans-back-family-separation-policy

Caution999 posted...

IDK what YEC is. *looks it up* Ok, I don't think that's something most of them agree with.

It is
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx
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Caution999 posted...

Why is it so hard to believe people were fed up with how our government was currently operating?

That's a very different question from supporting Donald Trump
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https://theintercept.com/2018/07/25/puerto-rico-debt-cancellation-bill/

IN ANOTHER REFLECTION of ideological shifts within the Democratic Party, several potential presidential candidates are joining forces on a bill that would enable mass debt cancellation for the struggling island of Puerto Rico.

Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., are introducing the bill, the U.S. Territorial Relief Act of 2018, joined by Sens. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., putting many of the Senates top contenders for the presidency in 2020 on the record that they believe Puerto Ricos debt should be discharged comprehensively.

Puerto Rico carries over $70 billion in debt, most of it unsecured and eligible for the relief outlined in the bill.

Gillibrands inclusion is notable because she voted for PROMESA, the Democratic establishments previous solution to the debt crisis in Puerto Rico. That bill, endorsed and signed by President Barack Obama, created an appointed fiscal oversight board to manage Puerto Ricos affairs, which has led to punishing austerity proposals, mass protests and a wave of privatization, with assets sold off to finance interest payments. The selling point in PROMESA, however, was the creation of a bankruptcy-like mechanism that could be used to wipe out some debt legally. But then, hurricanes Maria and Irma destroyed the islands infrastructure, putting Puerto Rico in the impossible position of rebuilding, attracting economic investment, and paying down debt simultaneously.

Puerto Rico was already being squeezed before Hurricane Maria hit and will now have to rebuild under the weight of crushing debt, said Warren in a statement. Our bill will give territories that have suffered an extraordinary crisis a route to comprehensive debt relief and a chance to get back on their feet.

The bill is a far cry from PROMESAs framework of an outside fiscal manager imposing colonial-style rule on Puerto Rico. Not only does it seek to address the new reality of an island devastated by natural disaster, but it also demonstrates that the center of gravity in the Democratic Party has moved toward more radical intervention than the IMF-style technocracy of the past. Indeed, the lefts rising star, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose mother was born in Puerto Rico, made debt cancellation a central plank in her campaign to defeat PROMESA supporter Rep. Joe Crowley. On the campaign trail, she frequently invoked his support of the bill.

Last November, Warren, Sanders, Gillibrand, and Harris proposed a $146 billion Marshall Plan for Puerto Rico to support recovery and economic development. But the senators didnt address debt relief until now.

A House companion is being sponsored by Rep. Nydia Velzquez. After Maria, Puerto Rico needs every tool possible to recover physically and economically. This legislation provides another path for the Island to get back on its feet and begin the journey toward a brighter future. I thank Senator Warren for her leadership and I plan to introduce the House companion in September, she said.

UNDER THE BILL, territories can opt for relief of unsecured public debt if they meet two out of three criteria: a population decrease of more than 5 percent over the past 10 years, the receipt of federal disaster assistance, and per capita debt over $15,000 per resident. Puerto Rico would qualify under all three factors, as would the U.S. Virgin Islands.

The option, which could only be used once every seven years, would have to be ratified by the territorys legislature and governor, or by a two-thirds vote of the legislature, a nod to the possible opposition of Puerto Ricos Gov. Ricardo Rossell. Creditors would have the opportunity to contest the discharge of their bonds in a streamlined judicial proceeding.

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Caution999 posted...

So, you're saying 62.9 million people are crazy?

If the shoe fits. The idea that "well, there are a lot of them, so they can't be wrong or stupid or extreme" is not grounded in facts.
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The kind of lawyer you get when you have a reputation for not paying people who work for you.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

This is without even looking at the fact that private business will always be more efficient and less expensive than government

This is just plain not true. Compare U.S. healthcare costs to the costs borne by other countries where the government plays a significantly larger role. Hell, compare us to Cuba.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2014/12/22/cuba-cost-effective-healthcare/#76dfb4d55899
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Caution999 posted...

Also, someone tell me what Trump did with Israel, again? The only President who had the balls to do what was right for the Jewish religion and people.

"actions speak louder than words."

Any notion that he is a "nazi" is utterly absurd.

Nazis love Israel because it's exactly the sort of ethnostate they wish to create for whites

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/richard-spencer-gives-israel-as-example-of-ethno-state-he-wants-in-u-s-1.5459154

Why wouldn't Trump love a state that kills dozens of people for the crime of protesting near a fence?
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Squall28 posted...

Who is this guy

Former Saturday Night Live cast member and Monday Night Football commentator
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Coffeebeanz posted...

"Unworkable naive ideas"

That's rich coming from a socialist

Also I'm glad you guys were able to communicate this idea through phones/computers/companies etc brought to you by capitalism.

https://pics.me.me/we-should-improve-society-somewhat-yet-you-participate-in-society-19213023.png
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Letron_James posted...

Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states

We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/althistory/images/7/74/US_flag_with_57_stars_by_Hellerick.svg

Bio1590 posted...

6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no?

Stealing bits from Maryland wouldn't matter in the red/blue calculus. Attempting to do so to Virginia would be a shitstorm.
Or maybe not. Virginia has been "blue" since 2008.

Virginia being blue is in part because of the DC suburbs. If you take that to add to DC, suddenly fucking Corey Stewart is a senator.
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AlephZero posted...

breaking news democrats want two free senators

On the contrary, history and even prevent rhetoric suggests they don't.
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boxington posted...

Dennis Miller's humor was always way above my head

Given his references, it's more like way before your head
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These people are going to combust
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/views-meghan-mccain-loses-mind-audience-cheers-socialism-makes-head-explode/
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https://twitter.com/DennisDMZ/status/1021451995880644608
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If there's one thing Wikileaks is known for, it's their, uh, willingness to defend the most powerful people in the world
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Black Panther was a huge success, and Hollywood is full of copycats.
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Well done
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God bless
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Zikten posted...

why do you think DC not being a state is bad?

Because it has no representation in congress, an entity which nonetheless has the ability to overturn and impede city laws
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Zikten posted...

no. the capital is not supposed to be a state. we did that on purpose long ago. it's not a mistake. it was by design

We did a lot of things on purpose long ago. Not all of them were good.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city.

In order to give its citizens - and there are more of them than people in Wyoming - representation in Congress.
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https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/political-capital

...Though the 2016 party platform explicitly included a policy of finally passing statehood for the District of Columbia, most lawmakers who are even aware of the issue continue to see it as morally righteous but politically irrelevant. Few, if any, Democrats would give D.C. statehood a higher priority than policy issues that directly concern the voters in their state, says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. This subject is well down the agenda for almost all senators, and I doubt that changes.

Its natural for Democrats to prioritize parochial concerns that matter for their constituencies. But from a long-term, institutional perspective, the Democratic silence on statehood is a tactical oddity. Any future state centered around the current district would be all but certain to elect left-leaning Democrats to its two Senate seats and one House seat. Its a margin that would have doomed the Republican tax reform bill and Neil Gorsuchs Supreme Court career, and one that would help a future Democratic president avoid the gridlock of an opposition-controlled Congress.

The low priority Democrats place on D.C. statehood speaks to their squeamishness about framing the issue as a win for their party. Even when we go and have closed-door meetings with the staff of members of Congress, people do not talk in those terms, says Keshini Ladduwahetty, chair of the pro-statehood group DC for Democracy, a progressive advocacy group that is one of at least a half-dozen organizations pushing for statehood. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the districts longtime Democratic, nonvoting House delegate, contends that the partisan implications are best left unspoken. If that isnt self-evident, nothing is, she says.

A hungrier Democratic Party might decide to ditch the subtlety. Two decades of framing this as a moral issue and not as a partisan one has not paid any meaningful dividends, says David Faris, a political science professor at Roosevelt University and author of Its Time to Fight Dirty: How Democrats Can Build a Lasting Majority in American Politics. So my question would be: Who are we pretending for?

Faris and others envision a stiffer-spined Democratic Partyone that could see statehood as the partisan gift that it is, and gun the proposal through Congress and a Democratic White House at the next opportunity. There would be significant political risks, and Republicans would resist at every turn. (Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate John Kasich warned that statehood would mean just more votes in the Democratic Party.) The effort would require Democrats to marshal uncharacteristic ruthlessness.

The failure to prioritize D.C. statehood over the last administration is reflective of an overall problem of the Democratic Party, which is not focusing on how to build and develop power to push more the inclusive populist reforms our country needs, says Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, a political action committee started by Howard Dean. The reality is, if the shoe were on the other foot . . . theres not a doubt in my mind Republicans would have jammed statehood through decades ago.

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"When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit."
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The last three years have been the hottest on record
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Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
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It's almost 8, no sign of it
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Where is your talent?
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https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/37229846-montana-skeptic/5190656-farewell-now

Ah,
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Yeah, Trump seems more like a red guy
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s0nicfan posted...

Is there supposed to be a takeaway here other than "if one political party screams about something enough, people will eventually circle their wagons and form increasingly polarized opinions on the topic?"

That is, in itself, a good takeaway. It shows that people can be persuaded if you make a case for or against something. People who use current polling as an excuse to not take a stand on an issue are misguided.
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