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winged_weltall posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Don't put them on tv.

No. Put them on, let them make a fool of themselves to the world. Fucking degenerates.

You only give legitimacy to it by doing that.

Don't give them a platform.
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Foppe posted...

>anti vaxxers should be locked up

So where do we draw the line?
Drunk drivers kills thousands of persons yearly, thereby we should lock up vehicle owners that does not have an ignition interlock device installed?
Guns that only shoots if it registers your DNA and knowsnthatmit is in an active shooter zone?

We should also lock up people who murder kids with cars and guns.

Kinda weird take.
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

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monkmith posted...

you're not going to educate people by talking down to them, all you'll do is piss them off. we're stupid emotional creatures who tie our opinions to our emotions and feel like we're being attacked when someone tries to change them. you need to divorce emotion from the discussion, and the best way to do that is to let them air their opinion and counter each of their points with thoughtful logical arguments.

And treating their beliefs as legitimate does not educate them.

People who choose to believe in climate change denial deserve to be shunned for their dumb beliefs.

those people vote...

And this isn't a discussion about voting.

Media shouldn't treat dumb views like climate denial as legitimate.

what you're suggesting isn't a discussion at all. you want CNN to be an echo chamber for people to parrot the same opinion and feel good about themselves.

You are right in that I have no interest in having a discussion about whether or not climate change is real because we have data that says it is.

You are wrong about it being an echo chamber. I don't see a need to give a voice to an incorrect view.

ok, then how's this. what do you gain from a network that only repeats the same info over and over and doesn't try to draw its potential audience into a discussion? because your suggestion would do that, and the only people watching would be the ones who already hold the same opinion.

so, explain to me, how is that not an echo chamber?

i mean, that's great for viewership and ratings. its why fox does it after all. but its shit news reporting and does nothing to try to fix the issue.

Reporting false information as fact is not news. Climate change denial deserves no legitimacy.

Any discussion on climate change should revolve on what should be done about it.
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Bold move.

Though the chances of any Republicans caring when a shutdown happens is pretty low.
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What an awful sounding idea imo.
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Honestly. I can only believe the people who are so insistent we treat climate denial as legitimate are climate deniers themselves.
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Steve Nick posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Why do you get to decide for everyone whose opinion should matter?

The scientist opinion gets reported on. Let people decide who they believe.

Wait so is the news supposed to report facts or are they supposed to just say what people believe?

Aren't the two things the same? A 'fact' is just something that everyone believes.

Lol. You don't even know the definition of "fact".
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

you're not going to educate people by talking down to them, all you'll do is piss them off. we're stupid emotional creatures who tie our opinions to our emotions and feel like we're being attacked when someone tries to change them. you need to divorce emotion from the discussion, and the best way to do that is to let them air their opinion and counter each of their points with thoughtful logical arguments.

And treating their beliefs as legitimate does not educate them.

People who choose to believe in climate change denial deserve to be shunned for their dumb beliefs.

those people vote...

And this isn't a discussion about voting.

Media shouldn't treat dumb views like climate denial as legitimate.

what you're suggesting isn't a discussion at all. you want CNN to be an echo chamber for people to parrot the same opinion and feel good about themselves.

You are right in that I have no interest in having a discussion about whether or not climate change is real because we have data that says it is.

You are wrong about it being an echo chamber. I don't see a need to give a voice to an incorrect view.
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

you're not going to educate people by talking down to them, all you'll do is piss them off. we're stupid emotional creatures who tie our opinions to our emotions and feel like we're being attacked when someone tries to change them. you need to divorce emotion from the discussion, and the best way to do that is to let them air their opinion and counter each of their points with thoughtful logical arguments.

And treating their beliefs as legitimate does not educate them.

People who choose to believe in climate change denial deserve to be shunned for their dumb beliefs.

those people vote...

And this isn't a discussion about voting.

Media shouldn't treat dumb views like climate denial as legitimate.
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monkmith posted...

you're not going to educate people by talking down to them, all you'll do is piss them off. we're stupid emotional creatures who tie our opinions to our emotions and feel like we're being attacked when someone tries to change them. you need to divorce emotion from the discussion, and the best way to do that is to let them air their opinion and counter each of their points with thoughtful logical arguments.

And treating their beliefs as legitimate does not educate them.

People who choose to believe in climate change denial deserve to be shunned for their dumb beliefs.
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Steve Nick posted...

COVxy posted...

Steve Nick posted...

It's not the same thing as with CC. CC has split opinions.

No it doesn't. You only think that because the media over-represents the "other side" and provides them a platform that makes it seem like they have a legitimate and nonbiased viewpoint.

No, you are wrong. At least 20% of people outright don't believe in it, maybe more. I also know tons upon tons of real people that don't believe in climate change.

And those people are wrong and shouldn't be given a platform on climate change.
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Steve Nick posted...

You guys are arguing in favour of media bias. You want them to strip people of their 'platform' just because you don't agree with them.

The news should be reported fairly. The reason the 'flat earth' isn't reported on the news is because a very small number of people believe in it. The representation(none) is accurate in the media.

It's not the same thing as with CC. CC has split opinions. A large percentage of people are on the other side of the CC issue, and that's why they have a voice.

I'm in favor of actually educating people. And treating someone's opinion as fact is not educating.

Data shows climate is a thing so all discussion on climate change should be done with the fact data supports it is a thing and what should we do about it.
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monkmith posted...

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andel posted...

yeah, stop giving a platform to these people that are obvious shills that deny accepted science. no one takes young earth creationists seriously and no one should take climate change deniers seriously

lots of people take them seriously, thats the problem. why not drag them onto a stage and force them to debate their points in a setting where the audience doesn't just echo their points back to them?

Because they don't deserve a platform in the first place.

well they have one, and you cant take it from them. the best you can do is set up a fair debate to try to show how stupid their point is.

People have been deplatformed in the past. It isn't hard.

for criminal activity like supporting violence. screaming dumb opinions isn't illegal in the US.

No one said it was. But no one is required to let them have a platform.
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

andel posted...

yeah, stop giving a platform to these people that are obvious shills that deny accepted science. no one takes young earth creationists seriously and no one should take climate change deniers seriously

lots of people take them seriously, thats the problem. why not drag them onto a stage and force them to debate their points in a setting where the audience doesn't just echo their points back to them?

Because they don't deserve a platform in the first place.

well they have one, and you cant take it from them. the best you can do is set up a fair debate to try to show how stupid their point is.

People have been deplatformed in the past. It isn't hard.
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monkmith posted...

andel posted...

yeah, stop giving a platform to these people that are obvious shills that deny accepted science. no one takes young earth creationists seriously and no one should take climate change deniers seriously

lots of people take them seriously, thats the problem. why not drag them onto a stage and force them to debate their points in a setting where the audience doesn't just echo their points back to them?

Because they don't deserve a platform in the first place.
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Dragon239 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Companies are just trying to make a profit and often screwing over the people is cheaper than the alternative. I wouldn't really call them evil.

So morally, gaining profit renders irrelevant the act of screwing people over?
How is "Well they're just trying to make money" such a good excuse here for you?

Success doesn't care about morals. You can play the game "right" but you'll never beat the people who don't.

That's why you have the government create the rules for everyone to play by and then enforce them when people try to break them.
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monkmith posted...

simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.

Or don't empower the stupid side by making their view seem legitimate by treating them the same.

A lot of people believe stupid things but they are irrelevant when no one gives their view any legitimacy.
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

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monkmith posted...

is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...

I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.

Some things don't deserve a discussion.

There's no good reason to give air time to climate change deniers and focusing the debate on whether or not it exists is a problem.

Good journalism would focus on the fact that climate change is a problem and the steps that can be done about it.

Since basically the entire scientific community agrees it is happening. Also a discussion on whether or not humans are a main cause would also be a waste because it really doesn't matter.
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monkmith posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

monkmith posted...

is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...

I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.
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monkmith posted...

is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.
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Ranting Nord posted...

It's crazy to look at this from the outside. Like the energy companies and developers are the evil ones and the government is protecting us. Why can't people just stop fucking up the planet?

Companies are just trying to make a profit and often screwing over the people is cheaper than the alternative. I wouldn't really call them evil.

We just no longer have a government that serves of the interest of the people over the corporations.
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How else will he clean his coal?
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Don't put them on tv.
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Veggeta X posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

@Veggeta_X honestly, the biggest reason I think these spoilers don't bother most of the users here is because we all know the source material and already knowing what happens there makes it hard to really have the movie actually "spoiled."

We all knew what was gonna happen in movies like Titanic, Troy and 300. Didn't stop people from outraging from spoilers back then.

Again, this is not to say I'm mad about spoilers because I love spoilers. I usually read the wiki plot before watching a movie. I'm merely pointing out spoiler acceptance which is a good thing IMO. People getting mad, though LMAO.

What a backpedal.
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andel posted...

it's so weird how trump and his people are so obsessed with coal

It's not really that weird. It's because of money.
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Bump for clean coal.
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Imagine believing that marvel would kill off superheroes that had comics behind them after their first solo film.
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CornBarn posted...

averagejoel posted...

I'm very much pro-gun myself

I change my mind, we should ban guns.

I always knew proudclad hated the constitution. He would be much better off living in a communist society.
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PleaseClap posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

How long have temperatures been recorded in the Arctic?

Literally the first line in the article

Could you guys at least pretend that you read the opening post

I imagine many of them just simply don't know how to read well.
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Jagr_68 posted...

inb4wtfwelikeKavanaughnow

Why would we now?
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CornBarn posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

so only suicides went up then? what a pointless article. gun violence is the statistic that matters in the case of gun control

KillerSlaw posted...

Antifar posted...

The increase in the gun death rate, at least in 2017, was driven by suicides.

*topic list*

These. People with an agenda against the 2nd Amendment sneak in stats on suicides because it is convenient to bolster the numbers that way.

Must be sad to live a life where am accurate count of how people died and by what means is an agenda.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

except you are more likely to commit suicide when a gun is available.

Source? Pretty sure people find all kinds of creative ways to self annihilate.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

Fair. Now my next question: what stops people from doing it another way?

Other ways are much less likely to succeed and people who fail to commit suicide often don't try again.

Lowering gun suicide will help lower the overall amount of deaths by suicide. Though it may not lower suicide attempts.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

what a nice agenda you have there.

suicides have gone up ALL over europe as well and yet they have less access to firearms. guns are an easy way out, but it turns out if someone wants to kill them selves theres no shortage of means to do so.

So many people upset by a count of people who have died by a gun.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

The increase in the gun death rate, at least in 2017, was driven by suicides. Sixty percent of gun deaths last year were self-inflicted. While the rate of gun homicides has fluctuated over the last decade, the rate of gun suicides has steadily increased.

Failed anti-gun topic (and headline, even though the URL has the word "suicide").

This topic should be about increasing suicide rates in the US and what is causing them.

What's anti gun about this topic? Are you just upset about the stats?

>This topic is making no implications whatsoever.

It's not.

People have died by guns more last year than in the last 20 years. The article isn't even bringing up gun control. Maybe don't be scared of statistics.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

The increase in the gun death rate, at least in 2017, was driven by suicides. Sixty percent of gun deaths last year were self-inflicted. While the rate of gun homicides has fluctuated over the last decade, the rate of gun suicides has steadily increased.

Failed anti-gun topic (and headline, even though the URL has the word "suicide").

This topic should be about increasing suicide rates in the US and what is causing them.

What's anti gun about this topic? Are you just upset about the stats?
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Really shouldn't be surprising.
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Caution999 posted...

2) I learned my lesson. I learned that I shouldn't direct hate towards others who think differently than me. The only hate I have left is for mainstream media. Not you.

No you haven't.
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http://time.com/5475293/trump-fossil-fuels-cop-24-katowice/

The United Nations climate change conference underway here in Poland could play a critical role in the fight to stem greenhouse gas emissions and keep temperatures from rising to unsafe levels.

The Trump Administration showed up to pitch fossil fuels. In a closely watched event Monday on the sidelines of official negotiations, U.S. officials touted natural gas and argued in support of coals place in the electricity mix.

It is important to the overall climate discussion that we consider whats realistic and pragmatic, P. Wells Griffith, special assistant to the president for international energy and environment, told the crowd Energy innovation and fossil fuels will continue to play a leading role.

Coal, of course, contributes more to greenhouse gases on a unit-per-unit basis than any other electricity source and reducing its role is considered a top priority for scientists who want to address global warming. And climate scientists, along with governments in the vast majority of countries, agree that now is the time to sound the alarm on climate change.

The closely watched event underscores the odd position the Trump Administration has placed itself in the international process to address global warming: the U.S. has abandoned its leadership position on climate change but still retains a seat at the table. And, while other countries use the conference as a venue to advocate for speeding up adoption of renewables and eliminating coal, the U.S. has used the venue to rally for natural gas and clean coal even as scientists urge government policymakers to move away from fossil fuels.

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Zerocide posted...

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Veggeta X posted...

They not gonna need anything from you other than you being miserable because of them.

And how would you know that?

sometimes people are like that

Yeah, and sometimes they aren't. TC made it sound like ppl who piss on others have never once in life came crawling back to those they wrong seeking a favor.

Tc doesn't have much experience interacting with people irl.
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Delta_F14 posted...

lol @ calling Trump "45", keep denying reality.

What's being denied here? Cuz he is the 45th president so it's not like this is denying he's president.
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Bio1590 posted...

You know what

VoightKnight is Proudclad isn't it >_>

What makes you think that?
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Philoktetes posted...

he was probably a victim of unfair societal circumstances too

He's a football player in Texas.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its also pretty disgusting that she hid it from him for six months

Given his reaction to it. It's certainly not surprising she hid it. She probably only said something once it became too obvious she was pregnant.
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Philoktetes posted...

he's only 16 he's just a young kid who made a mistake

given the right opportunities he could rehabilitate himself and turn his life around

instead the american prison industrial complex will ruin his life

Nah. Anyone who would kill a person over them making a decision they don't agree with has nothing if value to add.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Darmik posted...

Having apathy for an issue doesn't make you a centrist.

Somehow playing devils advocate for every single issue and saying shit like "well maybe it's both of their fault" is.

Not towing the ideological line is also being a centrist.

And when you criticize someone for saying "it's both of their faults", you're really saying "how dare you not put 100% of the blame on the side I disagree with?"

Maybe if people would stop only saying "it's both sides" whenever republicans seem to get criticized to deflect away from the criticism. Maybe people would be less hostile towards the "it's both sides" people.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

We've been seeing numerous instances of black students having the cops called on them for napping in the student center or for eating lunch on campus. She's pretty delusional if she's just gonna ignore how her race allowed her to walk through campus with her rifle and not be hassled by the cops when poc have been stopped for less.

I want to see her take on the national guard due to this:

Now that I graduated from @KentState, I can finally arm myself on campus. I should have been able to do so as a studentespecially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus, Bennett posted Sunday, referring to the four students who were shot and killed during a Vietnam War protest by members of the National Guard in 1970.

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https://www.newsweek.com/kent-state-graduate-ar-10-gun-campus-racism-ohio-school-college-931547

Kent State graduate who carried an AR-10 gun around campus on graduation day is now saying shes the victim of blatant racism.

Kaitlin Bennett, 22, walked around the Ohio university on Sunday to take photos with the weapon and a graduation cap that read, Come and take it." The photo of Bennett, who is white, went viral on social media, with over 18,000 likes on Twitter.

Now that I graduated from @KentState, I can finally arm myself on campus. I should have been able to do so as a studentespecially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus, Bennett posted Sunday, referring to the four students who were shot and killed during a Vietnam War protest by members of the National Guard in 1970.

During an interview on Fox & Friends on Thursday, Bennett said she wanted to take a stand against the policies the university has against students carrying guns on campus. Kent State University does not allow students, faculty, and staff members to have a gun on campus, according to its website.

"I wanted to take the picture because I wanted to take a jab at the insulting policies Kent State has regarding arming their students," Bennett said during the interview. "I wanted them to know it was unacceptable for guests to [be able to] carry but not students. It just doesn't make sense to me."

Bennett blamed the backlash she received on "blatant racism."

Its been crazy, she said. I was not expecting the blatant racism thats been thrown at me, the outright death threats.

Bennett said that many people are saying she was an example of "white privilege" because she was able to get away with bringing the rifle onto campus. She claimed those comments are "insulting to minorities."

They are saying that I have white privilege for going out on campus with my AR-10, Bennett said. They are saying this all has to do with me being white that I was able to do this. I think thats very insulting to minorities, I dont think that anything would happen to them."

Bennett posted another graduation photo of her posing with the rifle in front of the university on Twitter on Tuesday, saying would not apologize for posting the photos.

I have no apologies for my graduation photos. As a woman, I refuse to be a victim & the Second Amendment ensures that I don't have to be, Bennett wrote in the post.

Some of the students who survived the high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in February have spoken up about Bennett's graduation photos. A spokesperson from the university told WJW TV that because Bennett graduated, she was no longer restricted under the policy as a student.

Kent State University was recently ranked the safest big college campus in Ohio and 25th safest in the country, according to the National Council for Home Safety and Security. The university has a full-time, certified police force of more than 30 sworn officers who protect the campus. These officers are visible, well-trained and on duty 24/7 in support of students, staff and faculty, the statement read.

Despite the backlash, Bennett said she has received positive feedback as well and would definitely do something like this again.

"I would do it again and I wish that I could do it with a fully automatic machine gun and I think those should be legal," said Bennett. "If I could, I would absolutely do it again."

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They found it was cheaper to buy low quality articles from users instead of paying full time employees.
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