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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 2:41:11 AM
#103
Lunar_Savage posted...
Not in all places, sure. Kitchen staff do get shitted on and are forced to split tips with servers sometimes.

And if we're talking about a single plate, okay. But...the $50 plate should have more to it. And I'm still going to have to ask why the fuck you're dropping $50 on a single plate if it has the same amount of effort as a $10 plate...


Effort on behalf of the server. Quality of food makes up a LOT of the difference in price. There are times where you get less food for more money.
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 2:32:54 AM
#101
Lunar_Savage posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Lunar_Savage posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Conflict posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SSJCAT posted...
If yall dont like tipping then dont go out to eat


So if I don't tip, I am not allowed to eat?

What kind of shit ass logic is this?


It's not complicated, if you can't afford to leave a whopping $4 gratuity for a $20 meal, then don't go to a sit-down restaurant and take your ass to McDonald's.

Imagine spending $200 on a meal and not leaving a tip. You can afford to waste that much money on a meal but you can't afford to tip?


Tips are to be earned. They are not 'mandatory.' If you want a tip, you have to work for it. It is perfectly fine to go out for a fancy dinner and not tip if the service was not up to par.

That said, why is it that 'tipping' is based on a percentage of the meal? A server bringing a $10 meal is doing the same work as one bringing a $50 meal, are they not?


No. A $50 meal has far more to it and usually indicates a group larger than 1 or two...

If you're somewhere where a $50 meal has the same value/quantity as a $10 meal, wtf are you doing with your money?


Uh... no. Different quality food makes a difference in cost. A server does not cook the food, they merely take the order and bring it out to you. It is the same amount of work to do this on a $10 meal as it does a $50 meal.

I guess I should've stated per plate costs. PER PLATE it is the same amount of work.


More people to serve means higher work volume. More plates, more work. Thus, higher tip for the increased effort. And as stated before, the cook is being paid properly already. The server is not.

Working to serve a group of six is vastly different from serving one or two and much more intensive.


...That is not the point I am arguing. A $50 plate is the same work as a $10 plate. Why does the $50 plate result in a larger tip?

And kitchen staff are often NOT paid 'properly.'
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 2:23:53 AM
#95
cuttin_in_farm posted...
Not to mention, servers may have runners as well. Who deliver the food for servers.


Some do, but not all. That is a very good point though.
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 2:20:30 AM
#91
Lunar_Savage posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
In most of the world: no tipping cause they are not stupid.

In the USA(I am a US born and raised citizen): we need tipping cause we get fucked by the restaurant, hotel, etc business and tipping culture was created to romanticize people wasting money to fill in the rest of the persons paycheck.

Tipping is really fucking stupid, people in these fields need to stand up and demand fair fucking pay or find better jobs.


Time for a truth bomb:

The people in these positions will never unionize for two massive reasons.

1. The employers will fight it tooth and nail.

2. People who work for tips make better money than most average min wage workers and report less in taxes which allows them to keep more of their money so they can just scrape by. If they unionize, it means they'll have to pay more taxes because of the increased representation in government.


2 is practically the main reason. People who live on tips actually do very well most often. Servers I have worked with in the past cleared $200+ a night over the course of a 6 hour shift.
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 2:17:41 AM
#89
Lunar_Savage posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Conflict posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SSJCAT posted...
If yall dont like tipping then dont go out to eat


So if I don't tip, I am not allowed to eat?

What kind of shit ass logic is this?


It's not complicated, if you can't afford to leave a whopping $4 gratuity for a $20 meal, then don't go to a sit-down restaurant and take your ass to McDonald's.

Imagine spending $200 on a meal and not leaving a tip. You can afford to waste that much money on a meal but you can't afford to tip?


Tips are to be earned. They are not 'mandatory.' If you want a tip, you have to work for it. It is perfectly fine to go out for a fancy dinner and not tip if the service was not up to par.

That said, why is it that 'tipping' is based on a percentage of the meal? A server bringing a $10 meal is doing the same work as one bringing a $50 meal, are they not?


No. A $50 meal has far more to it and usually indicates a group larger than 1 or two...

If you're somewhere where a $50 meal has the same value/quantity as a $10 meal, wtf are you doing with your money?


Uh... no. Different quality food makes a difference in cost. A server does not cook the food, they merely take the order and bring it out to you. It is the same amount of work to do this on a $10 meal as it does a $50 meal.

I guess I should've stated per plate costs. PER PLATE it is the same amount of work.
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 1:39:12 AM
#65
Conflict posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SSJCAT posted...
If yall dont like tipping then dont go out to eat


So if I don't tip, I am not allowed to eat?

What kind of shit ass logic is this?


It's not complicated, if you can't afford to leave a whopping $4 gratuity for a $20 meal, then don't go to a sit-down restaurant and take your ass to McDonald's.

Imagine spending $200 on a meal and not leaving a tip. You can afford to waste that much money on a meal but you can't afford to tip?


Tips are to be earned. They are not 'mandatory.' If you want a tip, you have to work for it. It is perfectly fine to go out for a fancy dinner and not tip if the service was not up to par.

That said, why is it that 'tipping' is based on a percentage of the meal? A server bringing a $10 meal is doing the same work as one bringing a $50 meal, are they not?
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TopicTipping is not required, it's optional.
MaverickXeo
07/23/18 12:34:39 AM
#47
_Rinku_ posted...
ImCallingYouOut posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
If you dont tip, youre robbing the service staff. Plain and simple.

nah cause then the restaurant has to make up the difference

nah cause the server has to tip out a percentage of the bill to busboys and the boh.

If you completely stiff a server on the tip, they pay money to serve you.


Then they had better do a good job. More than just bringing out food to your table.

And this is coming from someone who worked in the industry for close to a decade.
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TopicMichelle Wolf mocks ICE with "ICE IS" recruiting video
MaverickXeo
07/22/18 8:35:05 PM
#45
Zikten posted...
oh and the solution is to just deport the family together, right then and there. don't arrest the parent. dont' kidnap the kid. just kick them over the border right then and there, as a whole family. keep them together. kid is better off back across the border with it's mom, than kidnapped by the US government


That is ideal... the problem is that they cannot immediately send them back over.
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TopicI guess jumping out of a moving car and dancing is a thing now.
MaverickXeo
07/22/18 2:29:50 PM
#27
I've done it offroad... but my Jeep has a 50:1 crawl ratio... without touching the throttle it moves at about 1km per hour.
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TopicI never understood why barbeques are a summertime thing
MaverickXeo
07/22/18 2:26:46 PM
#2
I barbeque in the winter more often. Have to shovel the snow on the deck first, though.
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TopicMichelle Wolf mocks ICE with "ICE IS" recruiting video
MaverickXeo
07/22/18 2:24:09 PM
#42
Zikten posted...
Bacon_Pancakes posted...
The only thing I don't get with this is that if a kid breaks the law they get sent to juvenile hall and are separated from their parents

If an adult breaks the law they go to jail and are separated from their kids

Why is this any different

Because in this case the kid is innocent ant being punished. The parent is sent to prison and the child goes to a holding center that abuses the kids


What is the solution then?

It is NO different from when the parents go to jail for committing the crime. The children wind up in group homes, foster care, etc.
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TopicTrump was like a 'predator' toward teens at parties in '80s and '90s.
MaverickXeo
07/15/18 8:23:01 PM
#32
littlebro07 posted...
frozenshock posted...
It doesn't really matter. Republicans will just reply with something about Bill Clinton abusing women and having people killed.


This

"It's okay because your guy did it too!"


Trudeau has been accused of it too... but I guarantee it will not go far... funny how 'liberal' leaders who are cause abusing people are never punished for these things...
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TopicAmerica's love of SUVs is killing pedestrians
MaverickXeo
07/06/18 3:36:57 PM
#78
Payzmaykr posted...
99.9% of the people who own SUVs dont need them and never use the extra space.

My Subaru Outback is classified as a station wagon, but it is just as capable as the other oversized SUVs (which should be forced to park in the WAY back of parking lots).

We need the leg room and I have kids.

Most people who buy them have two or three kids rattling around in a vast backseat. Youre getting less than 10mph. Just admit that you made a bad buy.


Less than 10MPG? My lifted and heavy Jeep TJ gets 18MPG... there is no way a 'modern' SUV gets 10MPG.
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TopicMum outraged after seeing 7yo daughter's Roblox character 'gang raped'
MaverickXeo
07/04/18 10:37:10 PM
#51
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
How does that even happen? (Can't get anything from link. A pop up happens that says "swipe to read more stories" and I don't trust that)


Looks like one player was holding her avatar and the other banging her.


How is that even possible in a game that is made to be child-friendly?


Cant do it. I use roblox with the children at work.
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TopicWhat is your pocket "system"?
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 9:19:26 PM
#41
Front left: Phone w/ wallet case.
Front right: Keys.
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 1:37:06 PM
#283
Villain posted...
MedzXVIII posted...
minimum wage is livable wage You do not need 5+ dollars coffee and a 1000 dollar cell phone to live.


Found another out of touch neet.


Or maybe he is another working person who knows how to save and spend wisely?
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 1:25:58 PM
#269
dolomedes posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Biking, walking, carpooling, etc. are all options.
You do not NEED a car, nor do you need a high end phone with a good plan.

lol @ high end phone. dude, give it up.

also, i used to have a 40-minute drive over a mountain to get to my $8.50/hr job. shit, the closest grocery store to my house was a ~20 minute drive.


A high end phone is like $1000. You also do not need to spend $100 a month on a phone plan... you can get by with a $20 plan if you really need one.

As for the commute... that does suck, but you do not need to buy a new car or have a car payment. Buy a cheap car and take care of it.
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 1:00:04 PM
#252
Villain posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Villain posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
things that are not really 'required' such as $100 for savings, $150 for a car payment, $100 for cable/phone, etc


Posts like these make it really easy to tell who is completely out of touch with reality

A bus pass and a shitty 'burner' phone saves a hell of a lot of money.

Don't fuck around on your savings, though. If you don't have at least $1000 in liquid cash, you're just waiting for a disaster.


Good luck taking the bus home when you're a closer at McDonalds and the buses stop at 7 PM.


Biking, walking, carpooling, etc. are all options.

You do not NEED a car, nor do you need a high end phone with a good plan.
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 12:28:54 PM
#211
Kaliesto posted...
Peter_Giffyndor posted...
Kaliesto posted...
I don't think 45 million Americans is something to laugh off about, that's a problem.


And it always will be a problem. Every society since the dawn of time has had a small percentage of people who were born poor and stay that way. By and far, it's a personal problem. I've been poor, and absolutely hated it so I did this insane thing called "look for a better job". Crazy, I know.

We've been having this stupid debate for years. There's always going to be a small vocal group of idiots who think just because they work the easiest jobs on the planet 40 hours per week they are entitled to a 3 br home, 2 new cars, 4 weeks vacation in Bermuda etc.
Keep it up. I'm seeing more and more automation and self serve kiosks, there's your "fight for 15" lmao. If your job can be replaced by a robot or app that will do it better and cheaper, it's only a matter of time. And the louder they bitch and cry and protest, the more appealing those machines become.


That doesn't answer the question, there shouldn't be that high of a number and not especially in the 21st century AND especially in AMERICA.

That shit I expect in a 3rd World Country.


If you look at the standard of living in America among those in 'poverty' and those who are 'decent' in third world countries, you can see that there is quite a difference. Those Americans in poverty are well off in comparison. In some places, running water is a luxury.
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 12:27:11 PM
#209
JustMyOpinion posted...
Kaliesto posted...
I don't think 45 million Americans is something to laugh off about, that's a problem.


How many of those 45 million are dying in the streets? There's a difference between what's defined as poverty and an amount of money you literally can't afford to live with.


The problem is that 'poverty' is often defined as 'relative' poverty and not 'real' poverty. Two different things; and most times people below the poverty line are simply in relative poverty (meaning not able to afford what the median considers 'necessary' (such as new cars, tvs, phones, etc).
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 12:25:22 PM
#206
Villain posted...
due to the "2nd income" which is also laughable


Most residences are two+ income residences anyways.

Aside from that, they have things that are not really 'required' such as $100 for savings, $150 for a car payment, $100 for cable/phone, etc.

All of those are not 'needed.'

Living alone is considered a luxury, btw.
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 12:18:58 PM
#198
MaverickXeo posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I agree, Ultima.

As long as you're working and contributing to society, I think you should be able to afford your basic necessities. Shelter, clothing, food, water, transportation, electricity.


That is possible on min wage...

People live too extravagantly now. Min wage is not luxurious, but it can meet basic needs.


Anywhere, really. Sometimes you need a roommate or make other cuts, but it can work... many people are able to do this, are they not?
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Topica minimum wage should be a livable wage
MaverickXeo
07/03/18 11:57:55 AM
#188
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I agree, Ultima.

As long as you're working and contributing to society, I think you should be able to afford your basic necessities. Shelter, clothing, food, water, transportation, electricity.


That is possible on min wage...

People live too extravagantly now. Min wage is not luxurious, but it can meet basic needs.
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TopicTrump today: "I never pushed for Republicans to vote for the..."
MaverickXeo
07/02/18 6:09:48 PM
#6
To be fair, 'pushing' and 'suggesting' are two different things.
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TopicPiracy is wrong. The whole I would not have played if I had to buy it
MaverickXeo
07/01/18 2:42:30 PM
#64
Foppe posted...
A pirated copy of Tony Hawk 2 introduced me to the series, and I bought over 8 Tony Hawk games.


The same here, with several games. One example is morrowind. I was not sure I could run it, so I didn't want to pay for it. I was barely able to run it, but when I was able to, I bought it and it got me into the franchise.
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TopicImmigrant toddlers are being ordered to appear in court alone.
MaverickXeo
06/30/18 9:54:43 PM
#31
iPhone_7 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
How do you punish the parents without affecting the kids?

That is the problem here. It would be like if some parents started to steal, and get arrested for theft. Should the parents be allowed to be free so they can continue to care for their children?


These are poor families that are looking for a better life, do you really want the parents to be serving prison time for crossing over without documentation? Is that what we should be doing as opposed to simply deporting them back to their country of origin?


Deporting them is what happens, isnt it? It just is not something that happens overnight.
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TopicImmigrant toddlers are being ordered to appear in court alone.
MaverickXeo
06/30/18 7:26:53 PM
#18
CommonStar posted...
I never understood why the kids get punished for their parents' misdoings. It's just a shitty system that entertains the bloodlust of the haters that call themselves patriots.


How do you punish the parents without affecting the kids?

That is the problem here. It would be like if some parents started to steal, and get arrested for theft. Should the parents be allowed to be free so they can continue to care for their children?
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Topici don't understand why I can turn off the passenger airbag in my truck
MaverickXeo
06/30/18 4:54:00 PM
#57
Chewster posted...
I'm replying directly to post 50 and all the other people who seem to think that putting an unbuckled pile of stuff in the seat will make the airbag go off in a modern vehicle


I don't have any sensors in my seats.
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Topici don't understand why I can turn off the passenger airbag in my truck
MaverickXeo
06/30/18 12:16:54 AM
#47
My one vehicle has the disable switch; my other doesnt even have air bags.

If I have to transport more than 2 children in the vehicle with the disable switch, I will disable the airbag. I also disable the airbag if I have to keep my passenger seat forward (stuff in the back, etc).
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TopicNJ very close to passing law to ban/charge you for plastic bags
MaverickXeo
06/27/18 3:09:31 PM
#46
Balrog0 posted...
it is weird to have them but charge for them

makes more sense to force people to use paper


Paper bags do not work as well.

That said, around here you have to pay 5 cents a bag... as long as the bags are good, I like them. They make good dog poop bags or bags for throwing old oil filters into. I never throw out old bags after one use.
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TopicSo because Incredibles has relatively few characters, the LEGO game has...
MaverickXeo
06/20/18 8:24:51 PM
#16
MonkeyBones23 posted...
I don't know much about the lego games, but that sounds pretty cool.


Lego games are fun... but really repetitive.
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TopicWhy isn't lunch included in your work time?
MaverickXeo
06/20/18 1:17:05 PM
#10
I normally take a lunch in between clients. I am a contractor though, so its not like I am getting 'paid' to eat.
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TopicI drive the speed limit or lower everywhere I go. Is that dangerous?
MaverickXeo
06/14/18 12:11:19 PM
#27
Offworlder1 posted...
You should drive the speed limit or 5 above so you do not interfere with the flow of traffic, and stay in the right lane.

I had a driver in the left lane driving 10 under the speed limit and trust me when I say people wanted to do harm to him. Obstructing traffic by going too slow can cause accidents too and if people cant pass you cause your in the wrong lane everyone suffers or gets angry.

If you cant handle the speeds then stay off the road until you can or your going to piss a lot of people off.


People going slow do not cause accidents... people who are getting upset at them do.

It would be like blaming a concrete wall for breaking your hand when you punch it.
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Topicis it wrong to go the speed limit in the left lane?
MaverickXeo
06/14/18 12:07:52 PM
#65
Perfectly legal.

In fact, it is illegal to go faster than the speed limit regardless of lane or road (depending on local laws, of course).
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TopicAre you worried about job automation?
MaverickXeo
06/10/18 12:10:23 AM
#28
MrK3V posted...
Nope. My field is safe.


Same here. Human services are not going anywhere.
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TopicTrump threatens to end ALL trade with allies
MaverickXeo
06/10/18 12:08:27 AM
#66
BLAKUboy posted...
The economic collapse will just oust him sooner, and we're bound for one anyway so let's just get it over with.


The other nations will have more issues than the US will, and much sooner.

For example, if the US said no more trading with Canada; Canada would lose around 70% of exports and 60% of imports. Trudeau should watch what he says and does... standing up to Trump should be done, but we also need to be careful...
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TopicTrump calls Justin Trudeau dishonest and weak
MaverickXeo
06/10/18 12:02:46 AM
#42
BlameAnesthesia posted...
-Stands up to Trump's bullshit
-Doesn't get pulled in by Trump's pussy power-play handshakes

Gets called dishonest and weak. Is Trump the biggest bitch ever? He acts like Cartman from south park.


Keep in mind though, Trudeau flip-flops more than Trump does and has no problems with cultural appropriation.
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TopicWait, how many genders are there again?
MaverickXeo
06/09/18 11:41:18 PM
#9
2. Sexual identities or preferences are a different story.
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TopicShould transgender bathrooms exist?
MaverickXeo
06/09/18 8:12:11 PM
#19
Webmaster4531 posted...
Transphobic people make up rape epidemics. There's actually no good reason to ban trans people from their preferred restroom.


There has been cases of it actually happening though. Its not common; but it DOES happen.
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TopicMan, 21, who admitted raping a 12-year-old girl walks FREE after a judge...
MaverickXeo
06/08/18 12:13:42 PM
#8
inTaCtfuL posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
12 year girls look really undeveloped, I wonder why he didn't question that

like 99% of the time they do, but idk if the guy, the taxi driver and the judge all thought she looked way older than 12 then maybe she was developed or something. lol


I work with youth... and there have been a few 10-12 year olds who both act and look like they are much older than that. Everyone develops differently.
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TopicDoug Ford won the election.
MaverickXeo
06/08/18 1:59:06 AM
#20
Frostshock posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Ohhhh man I know that name but there's so many shady politicians out there, what did this one do?


Brother of the one that got caught smoking crack, Rob Ford.


Its pretty funny that the 'worst' thing about a politician that people 'hate' is that his brother did something.


There are a lot of legitimate things to not like about Ford.

Rob Ford may have been an addict, but he was a well liked mayor. His brother has none of those qualities, and there is compelling evidence that he has been stealing from Rob's estate while the rightful inheritors, Rob's widow and children, are basically bankrupt.


Those are allegations that are not confirmed true or false yet. Lets wait and see what happens with that before accusing him.
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TopicDoug Ford won the election.
MaverickXeo
06/08/18 1:25:21 AM
#18
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Ohhhh man I know that name but there's so many shady politicians out there, what did this one do?


Brother of the one that got caught smoking crack, Rob Ford.


Its pretty funny that the 'worst' thing about a politician that people 'hate' is that his brother did something.
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TopicMorgue worker arrested after giving birth to a dead man's baby
MaverickXeo
06/07/18 3:58:55 PM
#3
How is that possible? If a person is dead, their heart is not working... so no way to get blood moving...
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TopicDonald Trump has been injected with Truth Serum and you can ask him 3 questions.
MaverickXeo
06/07/18 3:56:52 PM
#13
Trump is someone who can't keep his mouth closed... Id rather ask Obama questions.
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TopicStarbucks raises coffee prices
MaverickXeo
06/07/18 3:41:17 PM
#14
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Spooking posted...
Raise the wages, raise the prices of goods. Not shocking.


this price increase has literally nothing to do with wage increases, though.


Wage increases do factor into the cost of goods.

A company is not going to be selling at a loss.
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TopicStarbucks raises coffee prices
MaverickXeo
06/07/18 3:32:49 PM
#5
Spooking posted...
Raise the wages, raise the prices of goods. Not shocking.


And we have the idea of 'shrinkflation' occurring as well. Higher prices + less product.
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TopicDo you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
MaverickXeo
06/07/18 3:28:11 PM
#65
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
kingdrake2 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.


this.


Religion? Protected. Bake the cake.
Gay? Protected. Bake the cake.


"I don't want to make your cake because your gay." "Do it anyways!" "Okay, I'll do it, but it won't be good."

That is what happens when you force people to do work they refused to do in the first place.

If its a free market, they should be allowed to deny service to whoever they want. It will be on them when the customer complains to other people and the business loses further business, though.
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TopicBenefits of being vegan?
MaverickXeo
06/06/18 10:12:37 PM
#59
Mister_Spyker posted...
Every culture is built on the sacrifice of another culture. If we have to sacrifice animals for us to live and thrive, then we are justified in doing so. You don't go far if you don't look out for yourself, and this is especially true in the case of the survival of a whole species. If animals had our capabilities they would do the exact same things we do, or even worse, cause animals just don't give a damn. They'll eat their offspring if they're starving, it's just the way it is.

Now, I do firmly believe we should do our most to eliminate suffering from the equation of meat consumption, but that is not something that will change overnight. But we do get to vote for these changes with our wallets.


That I do agree with. Most farms around here are very humane. A lot of the farmers here are some of the most caring of their animals.
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