Lurker > DPsx7

Never had but would try.

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Why? My experience didn't change and Valve should quit because of it.

Because your experience is no longer in any way reflective of Steam's impact on PC's. A decade is a long time. Things have changed.

DPsx7 posted...

Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.

Wrong. Even with a physical copy, you are only licensing the game. You do not own the game in any way, and if the publisher had legal cause to do so, your license could legally be revoked, leaving you with a useless piece of plastic.

Now, the actual logistics of making that happen? It's not exactly practical. In practice, they're more likely to respond to you misusing the license by fining you. Legally, however, you have absolutely no right to the ownership of that game. Given your absurd paranoia regarding Steam, I'm surprised you haven't read more EULA's for the games you buy.

dedbus posted...

Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Not usually. You do have to go online every two weeks or something like that to maintain it, but if you, say, open your laptop in a place that doesn't have wifi and want to play a Steam game, you can activate it then.

Nobody has proven otherwise. They just claim you're offline and your games won't work. They won't improve anything.

I don't own the game in a sense that I can edit and resell. What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want. License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.

The ironic thing is you're preaching like you know anything about discs while also pretending Steam isn't trash. HL2 was the ONLY game I purchased that straight up told me I couldn't use it. Any other disc or cart, toss it in and it works. Because I was offline Steam was like 'go F yourself' when trying to load HL2. If this is what you're defending then you're a lunatic.

Online every 2 weeks huh? Funny 'cause I remember M$ trying to push 'always online' a few E3's ago. They got what they deserved and never recovered. If PC users were smart they'd dump the platform just the same.

man101 posted...

This dude is just desperate to hate Steam for no reason and he's complaining about things that are either objectively better than consoles or he's making things up

DPsx7 posted...

On the other hand, any dimwit company who wants an extra buck could take back a digital release and you have nothing to say about it.

Maybe YOU haven't lost a digital game yet. We've seen games get delisted. PT vanished. It's the fact they have the ability to do it. And I like the collecting aspect too. I go all the way back to Atari.

No. You purchased the game and it belongs to you. That's the law. No company in history has ever had the legal right to take a product back from the buyer. The closest thing is recalls, which are only done because the product is deemed dangerous or faulty, and even then recalls aren't really mandatory, just a way of the company getting ahead of legal repercussions by acknowledging a problem. No one can come into your house or go on your computer and take something you have purchased.

Yes, Steam can remove a game from the listing so no new people can buy it, but people who already own it can still play it and reinstall it forever. That is entirely different from a game being taken away from you. Your entire argument is pulled directly from your butthole. So you like collecting? Fine. That doesn't mean Steam sucks. It means you prefer doing things the archaic way.

I have plenty of reasons, all true. Because of Steam PC's will never catch up with consoles again. Specs and graphics aren't as important as you think.

I know, because I bought the disc. The rights can't be sold and my game disabled remotely. There are no such protections with digital. As I said it may not have happened to you yet but we've seen enough to know they CAN do this. A disc at retail will drop in price months faster than anything digital online.

Oh it absolutely means Steam sucks as well as anyone ignorant enough to use it. Maybe you don't know or don't care what it's doing without your permission. Hell it's probably your parent's PC anyway. I won't say digital is useless as there is room for both. But going all digital is 100% wrong.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

DPsx7 posted...

dedbus posted...

Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Clearly they don't have the brightest minds over there. Probably the same people who tell you to go online to report a power outage. Like duh...

You've been talking out of your ass for this entire thread, when you are clearly very misinformed.

Nope, not at all. I speak from experience. For those who use it, well, there's not a lot of positive things to say about them. The internet has plenty of examples proving kids with their Steam helper and cell phones are not a clever bunch.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

dedbus posted...

Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Nope, you can still login to Steam if you have no connection.

Oh the malware part of it started just fine. It was HL2 that wouldn't work. The reason I buy physical games is so they work when and where I want them do. This was the first and last time such a thing happened.

Sony has the games that's why. What possible reason could XB have to win anything? All they manage to do is recycle the same 3 games. Nin released 2 of their biggest franchises already and besides Smash they need time to make more.

Past E3's showed games that were way further off. I think their new plan is to show games coming in the next few months.

AWK is ok. I'd rather play Rage than the next generic never-ending medieval RPG... Only other thing Beth had for me was Doom.

NightMareBunny posted...

still though i got people on here telling me I'm brainless because of this....like "god lord how are you so bad?"

i don't even know how I'm the worst mercy/moira or the worst orisa/d.va

Mercy blows, doesn't do much damage. Use the flying rocket girl I can't remember the name of. Then the game sorta turns into Quake. At least you can get a little fun from it that way. Dva was ok but I liked flying over everyone.

I know a few who tease me for not playing Fartnite. If I were you it's not worth listening to people who play trash. Yeah FN is free, it shows.

dedbus posted...

Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Clearly they don't have the brightest minds over there. Probably the same people who tell you to go online to report a power outage. Like duh...

Veedrock- posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Digital is the only way it can be stolen without it being my fault.

What.

Basically, any time I say discs are more reliable someone uses the excuse 'what if they're lost, broken, or stolen'. Those would be my fault for not being careful. On the other hand, any dimwit company who wants an extra buck could take back a digital release and you have nothing to say about it.

Maybe YOU haven't lost a digital game yet. We've seen games get delisted. PT vanished. It's the fact they have the ability to do it. And I like the collecting aspect too. I go all the way back to Atari.

I wouldn't worry about it, the game isn't very good. It takes forever to earn loot because the entire game encourages loot box purchases. They promised content but before I quit all I got was a lousy map, no new lasting modes, and some characters nobody cares about.

Couldn't play competitive anyway. They put it behind a rank gate.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

When there is one I might flip through it. Do know that I buy some special editions so they aren't all a single slip of paper.

Steam has special editions too with OSTs, artwork, etc., etc.

DPsx7 posted...

Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.

Yes it can. You may have the disc but the disc can be made to stop working in the only machine it works in by license expiry. That disc doesn't protect you from DRM.

DPsx7 posted...

Without discs you're paying too much for nothing. As bad as Steam is, there's a reason they have to sell games for 75% off.

The game functions the same with or without a disc, however Steam games are cheaper and the DRM is easier to get around (what with all the data being on your PC, not a copy-protected disc).

DPsx7 posted...

My internet went out for a couple days (it was new at the time) and Steam decided that I shouldn't be allowed to play HL2. Well, I decided Valve is no longer relevant to gaming.

My PS3 YLOD'd, so I decided Sony was no longer relevant to gaming. That makes just as much sense.

Special editions, not discs and manuals. Kinda pointless really.

Don't talk if you have no clue. That disc is going to work on my console or any replacement console to install and play the game. Digital is the only way it can be stolen without it being my fault.

Steam games are not cheaper considering you're getting way less product with hours more hassle.

Hardware failure is usually your fault for not maintaining it. (Not all cases, don't get me wrong.) My internet went down through no fault of my own so why doesn't that game work offline? Because Steam, which ruined PC as a gaming platform. Similar to how the Wii brought non-gamers to consoles, Steam was invented for those who wanted their hands held. Those too lazy to install and update games on their own. Then it became invasive by searching the drive for more games, blocking use of purchased titles, and let's just say Steam is worse than all the microtransactions you could count.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

DPsx7 posted...

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Xbox > Nintendo > Ubisoft > Sony > Bethesda > Square-Enix > EA

Remove XB from the list, then maybe.

Xbox was literally where all of the third party announcements were. The incredibly stupid to hate on Microsoft just because they're Microsoft.

Depends how you view the conference. Third parties could have announced their products during the rest of the week. I'm interested in DMC5 but do I give credit to M$ for that and why?

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update.

Offline mode exists, and automatic updates can be disabled on a per-game basis (having an older version may prevent you from playing online, but that's no less true for console games which also receive such updates). You're just as misinformed as the last time I saw you spewing this drivel, and that was a couple years ago. At least get some new material.

Why? My experience didn't change and Valve should quit because of it. To unleash something so terrible on a platform that it becomes useless, inexcusable.

Then rather than answer my questions they claimed to close my account. Which is all the more surprising when a few years ago I got a note saying Valve changed the contact information on my account. Make a decision, you hopeless dumbasses.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

First off, you don't buy the cards. You get them free for playing games naturally.

Secondly, have you even read a manual since.... '08?

They're the most barebones pieces of shit ever. Manuals haven't been good since the PS2/NGC/OGXB era. Furthermore, discs are completely obsolete and redundant now. I'd be all for 100% physical copies of games, but now they only exist to install the game onto your HDD and ironically, as a form of DRM. Even though you have the game on your console's HDD, you can't play it without the disc unless you own the game digitally

I honestly don't know what you're talking about regarding not being able to play online or otherwise.

So like a copy of trophies...

When there is one I might flip through it. Do know that I buy some special editions so they aren't all a single slip of paper.

Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires. Without discs you're paying too much for nothing. As bad as Steam is, there's a reason they have to sell games for 75% off.

Yeah typo. Should say offline. My internet went out for a couple days (it was new at the time) and Steam decided that I shouldn't be allowed to play HL2. Well, I decided Valve is no longer relevant to gaming. I only bought Portal 2 on PS3 because of a pricing error. Then made sure to play it offline just in case it 'phoned home'.

dragon504 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.

Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.

Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.

Uh, there's an offline mode for Steam and has been for a long time. Oh no an update, consoles would never make you wait to play a game if there was one of those.

There wasn't when I tried it. I can skip game updates you know. Only necessary if you go online.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Xbox > Nintendo > Ubisoft > Sony > Bethesda > Square-Enix > EA

Remove XB from the list, then maybe.

Are they real or straight to DVD? I haven't heard of most of 'em.

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.

Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.

Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.

Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.

They don't really need to. Their games are so big that we know about them years in advance and it's not like they have a lot of surprises to show us until the game actually launches.

I guess we can all say that once again M$ doesn't have enough of their own content to stay relevant in the market.

papercup posted...

Microsoft won.

Has anyone ever said that and meant it? I've been playing and collecting since I could hold a controller and I don't think so.

I wish it was on console. I've been hoping for a new Quake or UT for some time. However I'd rather go without than go near a PC/Steam again.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

ernieforss posted...

Microsoft buying 5 companies is scary, since look what happen to rare after the acquisition. I'm really scared for ninja theory. I really like that stuido.

It could be worse. They could have been acquired by Activision or EA instead.

True but only barely. None of the above 3 companies spell good news for the studios they acquire. Hell I don't trust any of them to put out good products, if they do they got lucky. All are too reliant on the same old crap and when these studios want to try something new they get laid off.

Gastroid posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Gastroid posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Lol. Nin has never needed third party support.

Tell that to the Wii U.

That's your only example? The U had some great stuff regardless.

The last mainline Nintendo console failing and getting sent off to pasture is a pretty relevant example as to how important third party support is.

But it's really not because most of their platforms have thrived on first party content alone. It may not be the biggest library but the quality is hard to beat. I have a PS4 for everything else worth playing.

I haven't seen a single one of 'em.

Gastroid posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Lol. Nin has never needed third party support.

Tell that to the Wii U.

That's your only example? The U had some great stuff regardless.

Lol. Nin has never needed third party support. Meanwhile that's all M$ has and it's shared with Sony who has both.

If you're somehow excited then ok, but apparently it doesn't take much.

I made it through school without this being a priority, so never for me as well. I work a lot and play a lot. Don't want to add anything else to the schedule.

TLR_ posted...

Microsoft's gone do what Microsoft does best.

MS is gonna come at us with stronger hardware than both Sony and Nintendo, a controller that both feels better and has a better layout than what's offered by Sony/Nintendo, a better online infrastructure that's more advanced and versatile in every single goddamned way, a backwards compatibility system that would make Sony bow their heads in shame, the potential to put everyone's high end 4KTVs to work in a manner PS4 Pro could only dream of... but still fuck it all up in a legendary, iconic, meme-worthy fashion that leaves us laughing at their expense for years to come.

You're kidding right? 4K is pretty much useless right now so any extra power isn't going towards anything useful. (No, I'm not buying a Pro.) The controller is no contest - DS4 wins. Anything with an asymmetrical layout needs to be disposed of. I even got a 8bitdo controller in case I don't like the Switch layout. Online is the same. BC is nice to have because I do go back to the classics once in a while but it shouldn't be a priority and definitely not a replacement for new content.

Honestly after seeing what they've been doing recently I don't expect much at all from M$. Never did though. I can only play so much of the 2 genres they support. I need the variety that JP based consoles offer.

No Steam makes games better. Pretend you ordered some food. Steam would be the balled up tissue on top.

I got mine at launch and still use it. Not every day mind you, I have a big backlog and summer isn't the best time for a headset.

Probably have all the physical VR games so far with a selection of digital ones. Of course the whole thing comes recommended because it's going to allow for new type of games. However I don't know your tolerance level for VR. Nor have I gotten around to playing everything. You must know about some of the games right? If you're worried about support, don't be. There's a ton on the PSN store with more every week.

adjl posted...

lack of quality control

Yep.

Then you recall that I had to stop gaming on PC because of it. I wouldn't mind suggesting games for this person, but if Steam is necessary then they may as well dump pudding in their PC and get it over with.

green dragon posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Bloodborne was crap

get out

Maybe they should have thought about unlocking that gate to the sewer so the first boss could unlock the rest of the game. 3 hours and all I could do was clear the bonfire area a few times and buy armor. Lame. No new weapons, no level up... So like I said I dumped it to finally try GTA5 and never went back to it.

Eew, considering everything else that's out there why would you even bother?

Backlogs? Yeah I'm like 2 years behind. Played GTA5 for the first time last year after finding out Bloodborne was crap. Just finished UC4 last week. I'm not going in any particular order, but there's a lot of big games to go.

I'd rather stop playing games than go anywhere near Steam again. Bleh.

Why do you cook bacon and bake cookies? House hice. Mouse mice. Think thunk. Sunny moony.

Dunno. I buy so many games in a year I almost never look at the DLC. My backlog is big enough as it is. I mean even if I get a GOTY as I did with Borderlands and something else I forget, there's little chance it gets used. Good thing I'm no completionist.

Already have standard copies of RE7 and Horizon but haven't played 'em yet.

When I gotta pee, I use the kitchen sink.

Went to work. Came home and played games. Couldn't have had a more standard Fri. My weekend isn't any different. Hell I'm lucky if I know what day of the week it is since they all run together.

Having kids was never on my list. I've gone a step further and haven't even been asked on a date yet. Don't we all have more interesting things to do than procreate?

Khau kalash. No bowl, stick. Stick!

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Actually physical is cheaper because of price drops.

And depending on where you get. Like, on base, no tax. Or when they have the buy 2 get one free/half off sales.

Switching to all-digital would lose any of the companies a lot of customers and money. Having only certain things digital is fine, I guess. But I also agree that people wouldn't want to have to pay more. Because nobody wants to have to buy the games & multiple storage devices. When they could just buy the physical copy and that's all...

Companies may hate it but the advantages discs offer are too much for us to give up. Buying/selling used, trading, or insurance that it can't be taken away like digital content can. Seeing the examples used above, companies HAVE to know that going all digital will be suicide. I mean M$ never recovered and their biggest threat was no used games.

With that said digital has a use to bring us smaller games that would otherwise not see release. There's room for both here.

I hope they wait. I still have a handful of PS3 games to play, plus a ton on PS4.

Nah, all digital won't stick. There are various reasons like the cost of storage, ISP or bandwidth limits, rural areas of the world without reliable connections, or the millions like myself who will not give up on physical formats (disc or carts). The Go and Ouya are proof we don't want all digital. Multiple stores like Limited Run Games show there's a market for it too. Then because digital costs just as much as physical there's no incentive to switch. Actually physical is cheaper because of price drops.

The thing to remember is M$ already tried to bully the market into doing what the company wants and they paid the price. As long as we have the money companies need, WE call the shots.

Smarkil posted...

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Mead posted...

The Matrix

Huh, that's the last actual movie I saw. In theaters or at home.

Did you really hate the Matrix that much that you swore off movies forever?

I've never been much of a moviegoer and that was the last time friends dragged me to a movie. From what I recall it wasn't bad or anything, I've just never had the itch to go back.

I kinda doubt this is a rule but it's been nearly 20 years since I've been near a theater so I wouldn't know.

GizmoMimo posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Theres a website dedicated to this topic...

do share

I don't have it but it's like 'people of walmart' or something along those lines.

Joke's on them - I don't have a phone to app with so I have a valid complaint if something doesn't work.