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Regaro posted...

Imagine the legal burden of evidence you'd need to get taps on a lawyer's phone, let alone the lawyer of a sitting POTUS

You dont understand. All those judges are CORRUPT, even the ones appointed by Trump!!!
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TheRock1525 posted...

No Country for Old Men like Trump.

Sadly its All Country for Old Men like Trump
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Their entire religion is pretty much based upon conception being creation from God. Why do you think that is?

Because they refuse to understand how it actually happens, and on top of that they refuse to accept that those beliefs have no place in government matters.
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aka O Mueller Where Art Thou?
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Corrik posted...

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Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

I think it is very close-minded to think neither side has either merit. I think both sides have tons of merit.

i fail to see any merit whatsoever in the pro-life side.

If you can't see the merit or understand the other side then you can never properly see the debate to argue it really. I mean, I even in my strongest beliefs I can see the merit in the other side of almost everything. Very few things fall into the no redeemable points category.

Dude this just happened the other day with the pot people being released from prison

I didn't say I was against it. I said, I was indifferent and listed things on both sides of why I was.

You literally couldnt see our side
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Corrik posted...

One side just wants to protect the innocent no matter what.

There is no rational way to describe something that is just a clump of cells without a brain as innocent or guilty.

Theres their flaw. Theyre humanizing things that arent human yet.
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Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

I think it is very close-minded to think neither side has either merit. I think both sides have tons of merit.

i fail to see any merit whatsoever in the pro-life side.

If you can't see the merit or understand the other side then you can never properly see the debate to argue it really. I mean, I even in my strongest beliefs I can see the merit in the other side of almost everything. Very few things fall into the no redeemable points category.

Dude this just happened the other day with the pot people being released from prison
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Well, that is the two opposing views. And both sides are pretty staunch on it.

Right but that doesnt make the other viewpoint valid

I think it is very close-minded to think neither side has either merit. I think both sides have tons of merit. I just think it depends where you fall on the spectrum and what your personal main characteristics are.

It would be closed-minded to dismiss the other side without listening to their arguments.

Weve heard their arguments and dismiss them, because they have no merit
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Regaro posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Heres a fresher take: the futurist one

Abortion will probably greatly diminish in our lifetimes, because non-invasive, little side-effects birth control for both men and women will be developed, and will be provided by our inevitable universal health care.

And hopefully a Morning-After Pill that doesnt have as many side effects too!

This would be a very good thing if it happened.

Guess what the so-called "pro-life" crowd is also against, though? (Spoilers, the answer I'm looking for isn't actually universal healthcare here)

If youre implying that theyre against contraception or the morning after pill, I think thats limited to the most devout Catholics and the biggest anti-science idiots
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Corrik posted...

Well, that is the two opposing views. And both sides are pretty staunch on it.

Right but that doesnt make the other viewpoint valid
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Heres a fresher take: the futurist one

Abortion will probably greatly diminish in our lifetimes, because non-invasive, little side-effects birth control for both men and women will be developed, and will be provided by our inevitable universal health care.

And hopefully a Morning-After Pill that doesnt have as many side effects too!
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Corrik posted...

That child is a gift of God and you need to realize that gift, cherish that life, and be responsible for your action that chose that innocent child who did not ask you to do that act to be born. And if you cannot cherish it, you need to at least bear the responsibility and bare it to let it be adopted.

And of course pro-choice people see all of that as bullshit, and theres no one being murdered when you have an abortion of a zygote.

The only complicated part of the issue is arguing when is too late. We cant pinpoint when consciousness begins, and IMO thats the only reasonable stopping point.
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Dancedreamer posted...

Also don't be shocked about being called anti-woman when you call people who are pro-choice 'baby killers'

He was saying thats how evangelicals think of them
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I dont really see Corrik as worthy of scorn this time.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also no President is gonna change abortion rights anyway so its purely a moral issue

Or do you think evangelicals believe Roe v Wade can actually be overturned based on who is in office?

I mean, Iowa literally tried to pass a law hoping that Trump will appoint another conservative judge to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Ha, true. But I think theyre sorely mistaken if they think SCOTUS would actually overturn it
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TheRock1525 posted...

"Pro-abortion" is a really disingenuous way to frame it. I doubt the vast, vast majority of pro-choice people are like "yay abortions!"

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Also no President is gonna change abortion rights anyway so its purely a moral issue

Or do you think evangelicals believe Roe v Wade can actually be overturned based on who is in office?
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Corrik posted...

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

You can't cry about Evangelical votes when your stances alienate them innately.

What if it comes out that Trump has paid for an abortion?
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Corrik posted...

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

Arent all sins equal in the eyes of God?
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I figured the prostitution solicitation would have already killed them
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No I have.

Only upon request though!
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Also Corrik has dick pics confirmed
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Didnt they say at the time he had fired out the door down the hall at the first people to get there?
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But what if he thinks the pics are...unimpressive
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Well according to the source article, the one call between Trump and Cohen that NBC is reporting for sure that the investigation has is just one where Trump calls and Cohen tells him never call me again because theyre recording these calls. <_<
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Corrik posted...

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banananor posted...

it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't

She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?

Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement
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Corrik posted...

https://tinyurl.com/yashq5fu

How have I never heard about this until now and how isn't this a hate crime???

How tuned in were you to all the ins and outs of the Charlottesville rally?

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This image was circulated fairly regularly around the time of the violence, including in these topics
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banananor posted...

it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't

She has Trump dick pics
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Thats usually my roll!
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Also LOL at still having a typo in such a carefully crafted response (roll).
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/991992302267785216?s=21
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/991994433750142976?s=21
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/991995845120753664?s=21

Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are.....
...very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair,......
...despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.

The (obviously not written by Trump) defense

1.) I thought Cohen only handled a very very tiny part of Trumps legal issues?
2.) It doesnt matter if the money came from previously amassed campaign funds, it matters that it was used AS a campaign fund.
3.) I dont think your monthly retainer being used as repayment for a large personal expense the lawyer used on your behalf makes any sense. It would basically mean he waived making any money from his retainer until the $130K was repaid, right?
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Vlado posted...

my statistics?

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Peace___Frog posted...

Giuliani at it again, in another televised interview.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/992014615574994949

Aaaand he did it again. Explaining why Cohen paid the hush money to Stormy Daniels, #RudyGiuliani says:

"Imagine if that came out on October 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton."

So... yea, he just tied the payment directly to the campaign. https://t.co/yiu3Zg7ZYO

DUDE
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So thats why everyone is bitter against illegal immigrants
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/991883505033342977?s=21

Giuliani tells me he just spoke w / POTUS. Tonight by phone. President "very pleased," Giuliani says. He says they discussed his revelation of the reimbursements long in advance. Does not expect to be fired. Insists his remarks on FNC were approved by Trump. Story TK.

How many dimensions does this chess board have?!?

Admitting to campaign finance violations to own the libs
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https://twitter.com/nyinla2121/status/991874955557060608?s=21

Who knows if Trump hired Russian Hookers to pee on a bed...

But we do know that Trump hired Rudy Giuliani to shit the bed on live TV.

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xp1337 posted...

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FFDragon posted...

I imagine that Stormy Daniels' lawyer just sits at home these days at night laughs and laughs and laughs

He's doing interviews!
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/991866288556400640

It really is a shame this broke this late.

He's Colbert's guest tonight and it'll have missed the taping by a few hours!

Lets do this interview under the assumption that someone on the Trump team is going to stick their foot in their mouth tonight.
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https://twitter.com/gideonresnick/status/991859365345988608?s=21

Is Rudy tipsy, or is he generally sloppy and slurry these days?
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Apparently the exact language Hannity and Rudy used was its not campaign finance money because it was funneled through the law firm.

Funneled doesnt seem like the most innocent of verbs here
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My favorite take Ive seen goes something like

Well Rudy did promise to speed up the conclusion of the investigation.
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Cohen used his Trump Organization email while arranging to send the $130,000 to Daniels from a company that he had set up in Delaware shortly before the transfer.

Via NBC News article about Trumps statement aboard AF1

That seems...excessively dumb?
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Eddv posted...

Well he would have to somehow prove that he had no idea that money his "fixer" lawyer paid out was somehow reasonably NOT related in some way to the campaign.

Given the timing and the VERY slim profile of legal matters Cohen handled for Trump that gets difficult to prove. Especially given the liklihood that some form of communication between the two men is pretty much necessary for any of this to be set up and the likelihood that some of that was via text or email being relatively high.

I would do some pretty unsavory things to get Trump under oath
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LordoftheMorons posted...

FFDragon posted...

I imagine that Stormy Daniels' lawyer just sits at home these days at night laughs and laughs and laughs

He's doing interviews!
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/991866288556400640

Honestly my first assumption for why he paid Cohen in installments was because he really has nowhere near the amount of money he presents himself as having.

But in Trumps case, the adage of never presume malice that which can be explained by stupidity possibly doesnt apply
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Oh and also the services he performed that I paid him $130,000 for that I never asked about are for covering up a complete fabrication by the recipient of the money.
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Eddv posted...

Sounds like Trump did repay Cohen for his hush money after all.

How weird is it gonna be when Campaign Finance law is what takes trump down.

So whats the corner Trump is backed into here?

I reimbursed my lawyer $130,000 for services that I never asked about.
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https://twitter.com/johndingell/status/991859910756401154?s=21

Never thought Id ever want Rudy Giuliani to keep talking.

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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/991863550615478272?s=21
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/991863863686713344?s=21

16. Laura Ingraham is playing the clip right now from Air Force One where Trump says he had no idea about the payment contradicting what Giuliani just said on Hannity.

17. Laura Ingraham just now: They have to clarify this..this is a problem (the contradiction).

Even these kooks understand there are problems here
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Its amazing to me that Hannity is the smart one on a panel
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I guess when Trump sends his lawyers, he's not sending his best...!

The problem for him after decades of treating lawyers like shit is that these ARE the best he has left
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Earlier in that interview he also said that Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't say Trump wasn't a target of the FBI investigation

...
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