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Vlado posted...

Russia didnt do it but even if they did do it it wasnt wrong.
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Soon we can do Save My Politics Topic
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HashtagSEP posted...

That said, bringing up superheroes actually made me see a bit of merit in saying it's more normal/acceptable to feel gratification/satisfaction(not actual pleasure) from hurting somebody that greatly wronged you

Like the whole Captain America bit with "Who wants to see me sock Hitler in the jaw?"

Its that justice thing I was talking about. Its importabt to understand WHY that makes you feel satisfied

I went through a ton of this reflection when the nation literally PARTIED when Bin Laden was killed (sorry John Cena, compromised to a permanent end). I get feeling relieved that such a global menace had been stopped, but I didnt get the revelry at all.
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HashtagSEP posted...

The point about western fiction is a good one.

I'm kinda in the middle of the boat, there. I like to see the hero win, but I don't really like to see the hero beat the hell out of the bad guy or kill them. Like, I'm all for the hero "saving the day," but I'm not necessarily for the hero beating up the bad guy directly.

Maybe that's typically why I tend to like redemption stories where the villain helps at the end.

#NotMyBatman
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BatSeph
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Although I think its funny that we consider the second one there traditional Batman when the earliest Bat stories are very happily murderous
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Deep State EXPOSED for being dumb enough to leave a video trail of their VAST CONSPIRACY

These people think the deep state is simultaneously the most careful and the most careless entity ever
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I feel like Seph would dig a lot of Frank Millers modern work
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How much time did you spend making that?
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Also I doubt the emotion you would be feeling when fighting someone who molested your child is pleasure. That would be one of the most emotionally scrambled things imaginable. I feel like you picked bad examples.
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I do want to point out, important to this discussion, is that much of the history of western fiction is built around the ideas Seph is spouting. Take that, villain! Go protagonist go!

Thats why its important to call out these ideas for discussion and dissection. Theres an obvious disconnect between feeling pleasure and causing pain (kinks aside) that needs to be self-analyzed when you realize that youre connecting them.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I mean I think this specific example is normal, right, and good

Why?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

You conservatives and your total misunderstanding of science, I swear.

if you can't anchor it to something then the word "normal" is meaningless

normal does not necessarily mean "right" or "good," if that makes you feel better

My problem specifically comes with your claim that you arent human if you DONT feel this
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

You literally left it as broad as you could and insisted you derive pleasure from physically hurting people you "dislike," and only gave any kind of example at all when the entire topic kept saying that was fucked up

Because I didn't think anyone would be so socially maladjusted as to not understand that I'm not literally talking about anyone that I "dislike"

You cant say this and then also say you know we are all [REDACTED]

Youre trying to have it both ways to cover your poor communication attempts
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You conservatives and your total misunderstanding of science, I swear.
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TL;DR
We are culturally trained to act like Seph, but wed be foolish to just accept it and not try to be better.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I don't like neo-Nazis. It would bring me great pleasure to deck one at a fascist rally, for example.

If theres an actual fascist rally, physically fighting back against a force of people that wishes to bring harm to the community, and is quite capable of it, is self-defense. Self-defense shouldnt be gleeful. Youre doing it out of desperation as any and all diplomacy has failed.

Take the rally out of it and apply this to punching Richard Spenser feels good in the abstract. This invokes our cultural ideas of justice and what that means. It means many things to many people. Many on the left do indeed feel happy when he gets hit; youre right to acknowledge this in this conversation.

I believe the point is to try to recognize WHY we feel that pleasure, and how do we regulate it. Feeling pleasure in the pain of others comes from a place of insecurity. If you feel happy when he gets wrecked, its because you feel on some level that you cant deal with his power running unchecked alone.

Same thing with, say, glee over Milo losing a book deal. It comes from our internalized sense that justice has been served, because we cant personally serve it. Its a vicarious power rush.

So if we can recognize this emotion, and understand what it represents, we can attempt to deal with it appropriately instead of shrugging our shoulders and saying oh well Im just human, get em!

Also make no mistake this is not a human issue, its a cultural issue. There are cultures where this sort of concept just isnt there.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I stand by that sentiment.

If you don't feel pleasure in hurting those you don't like, then you are not human.

Thats so fucked up
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https://twitter.com/sheriffclarke/status/965962123535966208

The well ORGANIZED effort by Florida school students demanding gun control has GEORGE SOROS FINGERPRINTS all over it. It is similar to how he hijacked and exploited black peoples emotion regarding police use of force incidents into the COP HATING Black Lives Matter movement.

It was only a matter of time
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Did he publicly recant them and not ever fall back to it again?

Seems like overkill to cheer his death then
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Peace___Frog posted...

in case anyone cares, milo had to drop his case against the publisher because he had no case. To try and save face, he said it's actually because he wants to spend his time and money on furthering his agenda instead of in court.

https://twitter.com/rossmccaff/status/966317833675264001

I...almost feel bad for him?

But then I remember who he is
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Im just glad the superior Billy Graham survives
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Did you nab that convo from Muffins phone?
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