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Well there's already tons of violence and things going wrong because of racists so at worst I guess it's a wash.
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yeah but if i did it would make society safer, as long as i only targeted racists
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TomNook posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

TomNook posted...

This video was kind of like the Charles Bronson movie, Death Wish. These guys are basically being obnoxious and putting themselves in bad situations to draw out violent and criminal people.

Wew lad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

Unless you missed the part of the video where
1. He promised multiple times that he'd be outside waiting to beat them up.
2. Physically started to fight in the restaurant

Sorry, but provoking someone with words isn't a freebie to break the law.

I'm not siding with the douchie kids, but I also can't side with the guy who is a danger to society who will physically fight anyone he disagrees with.

Beating the shit out of racists makes society less dangerous, actually.
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red sox 777 posted...

The electoral college and the Senate is what separates us from Europe.

I kind of like this new gimmick where you just trash America constantly lmao
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I'd appreciate it because it's at least honest? Like what's your point, the system's already not democratic, that hardly even makes it less so.
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red sox 777 posted...

We're talking about criminal prosecution of a president. The way an ordinary citizen would be prosecuted. I'm arguing that it's not available to prosecute a president and that I agree that it shouldn't be.

Ah, somehow I legit missed that and took your "people can't be denied their choice" thing as still about impeachment.

anyway you're making a great case for violent overthrow of the government here, which is cool, but i doubt it's intentional
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red sox 777 posted...

Unless a majority of the House impeaches him and 2/3 of the Senate votes to remove him from office, yes, absolutely.

Are we not talking about impeachment to begin with? I thought that was the whole point here?

red sox 777 posted...

That's why we can call ourselves a republic.

I mean, if you wanna own up to something that embarrassing, I guess.
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red sox 777 posted...

It's whatever the state legislatures decide. Almost all of them just give all their electoral votes to the popular vote winner in the state. In the past, South Carolina didn't hold a presidential election and the legislature simply appointed the electors.

oh so it's not like the san andreas faultline opens up as california's mouth and hoarsely calls out, "clinton/kaine 2016"

so just to clarify here, what you actually mean is that a couple hundred random electors can't be denied their choice of president, no matter how many laws that president breaks?
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red sox 777 posted...

The states then. It is the United States of America, after all. The states are entitled to their choice of president, notwithstanding any crimes he may have committed.

What? What's the mechanism by which states vote for president? How would that even work?
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Vlado posted...

liberals had forgotten how important identity was to people

But I thought liberals were the ones practicing identity politics *thinking emoji*
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but like, is there really, though
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Our government already acts like it's deprived of oxygen so eh
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red sox 777 posted...

Trump can't really negotiate with other countries if Congress isn't going to back him up.

good, he shouldn't
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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1001837909027250178

dot dot dot

This reads so much like an Onion headline it's unreal

TheRock1525 posted...

Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity being the adults in the room. What.

You've gotta dogwhistle, it makes all racists look bad if you just say racist shit outright
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Abraham Lincoln was arguably a racist even by the standards of his times. It's not like there weren't a huge number of people who supported abolition way before he got around to it. He was just less racist than, like, other prominent white politicians in the same time period.
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no i just hate innovation

(yes)
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solution: pay for UBI with rich people's wealth so they can't innovate or create value or grow wealthier. problem solved.
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Panthera posted...

In the US there is no bigger cause for right wingers winning than left wingers not voting.

I'd argue there's one that's bigger: right wingers voting. But it's ultimately just a different side of the same coin.
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.

Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive?

What? I mean, I feel most would be ban worthy to post.

it's almost impossible to be banned from gamefaqs, much less in a single post, so i really hope that isn't your bar for racism
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Corrik posted...

I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.

Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive?
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Lopen posted...

Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning.

Many people in here do though, however.

I would think his strong support for punching Nazis would be exactly what you're talking about here (possibly even a more extreme version). Am I wrong about that? (Or maybe confusing Jakyl with someone else?)
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Jakyl25 posted...

Lopen posted...

As for what you're saying, Jakyl, the key is calling the action bigoted, rather than the person, and mentioning it when it's relevant to the context of the discussion. There's a big difference between randomly mentioning that a dude did something and how despicable he is out of the blue vs the guy coming up in conversation and you saying "he acted kinda bigoted the other day when he did ___ and that was offputting"

100%

I try to keep this in mind when I make most claims, unless theres a clear pattern like with Trump or they openly claim it like the alt-right.

Im sure Ive slipped up though and I welcome getting called on it.

For sure. Though tbh calling someone a bigot is just shorthand for "someone who does bigoted things" in the same way that baker is just shorthand for "person who bakes a lot", so I don't think there's nearly as much of a distinction between calling an action bigoted and calling a person bigoted as this implies. Like I'm thinking the same thing in both cases, it's honestly just a matter of phrasing.
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Lopen posted...

Now I couldn't vote Trump, but instead of Hillary I voted Gary Johnson because despite identifying as liberal more than conservative I agree with Gary on enough that I legit think he was the best choice in that shit show. Yeah it's a wasted vote and less damaging than jumping to Trump, but it's a vote they could've had easily with a different presentation of the party.

Sure, but any politician/party could convince one swing voter by changing some key issues. How do you know they wouldn't lose 2 votes gaining your 1?

Lopen posted...

That kinda phrasing being the one you instinctively use when approaching the hypothetical is kind of the problem. It's not about whether the guy is factually bigoted or not (you, in the hypothetical, don't really know)-- it's about how quickly the jump was made to call the guy bigoted, why it was brought up in a random conversation, etc etc.

If the hypothetical is just assuming I'm calling someone a bigot with no reasoning behind it, then yeah I'm ridiculous in that strawman of a scenario.

Since that isn't worth replying to, I'm assuming me in the hypothetical at least has good reason to claim it. Is that the issue here?
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yeah honestly that isn't offensive but if it's what finally gets rid of bill maher then godspeed
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red sox 777 posted...

And you still don't get it. It doesn't matter so much if you offend conservatives. They were always going to vote against you. It matters if you offend swing voters, the people who choose our government.

Why would I offend a swing voter who is ostensibly my friend by talking to them about a serious issue in my life (experiencing bigotry from a mutual acquaintance)?
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Lopen posted...

Kenri doing a really good job of illustrating what red sox is talking about despite "not being a liberal" (lol)

I'm too far left to be a liberal so I'm sure I'm who he actually is talking about. It just all gets wrapped up into "the libs".
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That was yours.
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red sox 777 posted...

"This is why you lost." I would think it's extremely clear. Explaining why liberals lost the election.

Plenty of leftists already know we lost because of easily threatened conservatives who view bigotry as simple disagreement.
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red sox 777 posted...

I disagree, but in any case, fault is irrelevant. This is a description of why liberals lost, not a moral judgment.

If it's not about fault then what exactly is your point?
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SmartMuffin posted...

But a real solution to poverty would have to encompass everybody, not just people who are good at working within the system.

good quote zone
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red sox 777 posted...

TIWYL is about Democrats failing to try to win votes. It's about actions Democrats control that influence voters, not about why Trump voters believe they voted. It operates mostly on a subconscious level and it mostly is not about spite.

Example. You and I are having dinner. We are friends and you assume I must be a liberal since all your friends are liberals. So you start condemning another person who happens to be my friend, who you don't know I am friendly with, calling him bigoted. I don't think that person is bigoted at all. I, very naturally, feel threatened, because what I see is you understanding disagreement with you to be equivalent to bigotry. Months later, this will have a subconscious effect on how I vote.

You are not a good friend or a rational actor in this hypothetical and the fault of that is on you, not liberals.
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charmander6000 posted...

Aren't protests inherently disrespectful? If they weren't they would just be debates/negotiations or nobody would know about the cause.

It depends how you define respect I think, but yes.
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I'd keep what you have and just roll on the legendary banner with some of the orbs you earn early on.
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hard pass on this for me

Green is a great choice if you don't have Chrom or Azura yet though
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I'm not liberal so Corrik's still wrong.
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

How many of you outright insult people who are religious.

corrik who does this refer to

Liberals.

Absolute dingus.
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Corrik posted...

How many of you outright insult people who are religious.

corrik who does this refer to
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red sox 777 posted...

Um......are you trying to prove his point?

I couldn't care less about his point lmao
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red sox 777 posted...

Privilege isn't an accusation, but it does shut down a conversation. If your argument is "your privilege blinds you," how can the conversation continue? It won't, and you probably won't get that person's vote either.

You're ignoring the massive amount of people who have, indeed, responded with introspection. Possibly because you can't see them as easily as the cases of people who take it as an attack.

red sox 777 posted...

Kenri posted...

What's an example of an accusation from the left that doesn't have to do with performance or dishonesty?

Racism. Bigotry. Sexism. Privilege.

These are all based on performance tho
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Corrik posted...

I didn't say I saw it here. I definitely saw it here or on Reset though.

Stop saying "you" if you don't mean us, you absolute dingus.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

"you're dumb as a rock" isn't "you're performing poorly"

not to defend trump but i do think it's implied
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What's an example of an accusation from the left that doesn't have to do with performance or dishonesty?
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red sox 777 posted...

Kenri posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html

This is the kind of thing I think about anytime someone talks about the Democratic party needing to move towards the center lol

That's really interesting. I guess maybe more centrists feel authoritarian government is likely to favor them, since they are in the center?

The Democratic Party mainly needs to be more inclusive of people with different beliefs. Tolerance of an idea, agreement with it, and fighting for it are 3 completely different things, and the Dems should stop conflating them.

Yeah that would be my guess. I feel like centrists are also more likely to value stability over justice in general and that that might contribute.

And the Democratic Party is already 100x more tolerant of shitty ideas than it needs to/should be tbh
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html

This is the kind of thing I think about anytime someone talks about the Democratic party needing to move towards the center lol
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

5*
Ninian
Myrrh
Lyn
Sigurd

This is an extremely, extremely powerful team even with little to no investment. Nice pulls.
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Does anarcho-neocon just mean you're pro-imperialism but anti-taxes or what?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Important thread on the conflation that's been going on between Trump's disgusting policy of separating children from their parents at the border and the 1500 'missing kids':
https://twitter.com/jduffyrice/status/1000927903759110144

Thanks for posting this, I knew the issues were technically different but thought they were a lot more related than they actually are.
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barreldragon88 posted...

IV's highlighting when

I really wish there was a way for us to make a note ingame of IV's per unit. When your barracks size is ginormous, it would make it sooo much easier to track

We really need a box system like Pokemon.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think most of the military would not go rogue in the event of an America city being bombed by America. The vast majority, in fact. Military people are trained to follow the chain of command even if they personally think it's messed up, and frankly there's a looooot events in history where the military violently oppressed the populace. Ours isn't any better.

Agreed.

(Not to mention that America's already bombed its own cities without incident.)
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red sox 777 posted...

Teacher: Class, can anyone tell me what 2+2 is?

Tom: I know! It's 4.

Teacher: Wrong.

why does the teacher in your hypothetical not understand facts either
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