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red sox 777 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I submit that it's not possible to lie if you don't understand what a fact is.

So your claim is that Trump understands the CONCEPT of facts, not necessarily specific examples of facts?

Sure, okay, thats a little clearer.

Yes. I'm not sure how one would even understand specific facts. For example, the sky is blue. I know the sky is blue. I can observe that the sky is blue. I can say the sky is blue. I can lie and say the sky is green. But can I understand that the sky is blue? I'm not sure what there is to understand - it is a simple fact. I guess you could say I have to understand the concept of color and that an object can "be" a certain color, and the concepts of blueness and sky....

I mean it in you understand a specific fact by knowing that its a verified fact and not an alternative fact.

The Sky is yellow is presented AS a fact, but in actuality is NOT a fact
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I do think his concept of facts fits in perfectly with his presumed NPD though.

How much a narcissist believes his own untruths is probably a wide spectrum

I personally believe that Trump knowingly invents lies but over time comes to believe them
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red sox 777 posted...

I submit that it's not possible to lie if you don't understand what a fact is.

So your claim is that Trump understands the CONCEPT of facts, not necessarily specific examples of facts?

Sure, okay, thats a little clearer.
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red sox 777 posted...

Trump understands perfectly well what a fact is

[citation needed]
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For lack of any other discussion, have this absolute monster dunk by Dave on a Russo defender trying to claim he cant be homophobic because he wrote the Goldust character.

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/1000104088359485440?s=21
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LordoftheMorons posted...

If he won't leave his house how did he get on InfoWars?

Checkmate, liberals!

Well it looks like they had to put a photo of his house behind him to make him feel comfortable. Its like hes chatting about Zionist conspiracy theories on his own front lawn!

Also someone in the responses said that Jones recently made the claim that Satan is an incel and that cracked me up
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InfoWars definitely knows its audience
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Trump is speaking to the Navy

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1000028833058381826?s=21

Trump lies: "We just got you a big pay raise. First time in 10 years. We got you a big pay increase. First time in OVER 10 years."

Troops have received pay increases every year. This raise is not as big as the one eight years ago under Obama.

Republicans know what FACTS are

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1000029887871225857?s=21

Trump: "We are recommitting to this fundamental truth: we are a maritime nation. True. And being a maritime nation, we're surrounded by sea. We must always dominate that sea. We will always dominate the oceans."

WE MUST ALWAYS DOMINATE THE SEA
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I kind of picture him as a computer virus turned sentient
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From the party that coined alternative facts
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You got all of Putins Russian genes, while I got all the flawed, BULGARIAN genes!
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shots-fired/index.html

Doesnt look like anyone was killed

But Im still posting it in a concerted effort to NOT become desensitized to this
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Eddv posted...

I guess i had stopped following the story by then. Or, more likely, Wang continued putting words in his mouth.

He basically realized that you could be critical of video game journalism (which he was until the end) without being associated with or fanning the flames of a hate group, and told them to stop acting like he was one of them just because they shared some common ideas.

He was very much what a GGer would consider an SJW. He just happened to also hate mainstream media.
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Trump will not be pleased
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Vlado posted...

US is a different case from Japan in that it was colonised by Europeans (initially English),

American history lesson: The American Revolution was fought by English colonists, but the actual land mass that constitutes modern American was initially colonized by France and Spain as well.

We purchased a huge chunk of our country from France.

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Fun Fact: The American Revolution was AGAINST THE LAW
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This needs a morning bump
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Cant argue with that
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Corrik posted...

ILLEGAL immigration is ILLEGAL for a reason.

Whats the reason?
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red sox 777 posted...

and their American born children)

So birthright citizenship is repealed in this hypothetical?

What about the child of a couple where one is a citizen and one is illegal?
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What is Democratic reform? Like voting rights?
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html

I...dont really understand how you...lose...1500 kids
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Itll be hard to drain the swamp if its completely submerged
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Corrik posted...

I am highly surprised in this hypothetical that based on the way you framed your responses on the environment that you didn't endorse military takeover or usage to enforce guidelines for all because IT IS OUR LITERAL ENVIRONMENT AND FUTURE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS WITHOUT IT.

Positive re-enforcement works better than fear-based control measures

That might be controversial to a conservative
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Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Once upon a time it was true - China was going to ignore any environmental agreement in the name of maximized production.

But they AND India signed onto the Paris Accords. The problem was on its way to being solved.

The Paris Accords has no way to enforce anything. The main complaint about the Paris Accords, including from Trump I believe, is that while we would follow it, no country is bound to follow it. It served no purpose as countries could just sign it and ignore it.

You shouldnt really need an incentive to enforce mutual survival.

Like theres no way to enforce Mutually Assured Destruction but that doesnt mean we go nuke people
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Eddv posted...

Once upon a time it was true - China was going to ignore any environmental agreement in the name of maximized production.

But they AND India signed onto the Paris Accords. The problem was on its way to being solved.

And yeah this is kind of a pointless hypothetical since in no circumstance would we ever be the only country that cares
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Corrik posted...

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Corrik posted...

Jakyl, if global warming was 100% proven, and we were willing to sacrifice economic output to try and combat it but no other countries actually were willing to outside of words, what kind of action would you support our country taking in regards to it?

Given that its our literal existence as a species at stake, I would support every helpful regulation possible, and HIGHLY positively incentivize businesses to go green with tax breaks to offset expenses.

The money can come from the military.

This is a strange hypothetical though since many other nations are taking the threat more seriously than we are.

So you are saying you support sacrificing our economy and stability for other countries and potentially letting our country fall from it's position in order to do something that will not matter without everyone on board?

Well if its not going to matter then our position on the worlds stage doesnt really matter, does it?

Who cares who is captain of the post-iceberg Titanic?

I am sure many people care about their families and their countries.

This again comes down to whether you would rather act morally superior and be conquered or thrive and be willing to skirt the line when you have to.

Be conquered? By whom??
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Corrik posted...

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Corrik posted...

Jakyl, if global warming was 100% proven, and we were willing to sacrifice economic output to try and combat it but no other countries actually were willing to outside of words, what kind of action would you support our country taking in regards to it?

Given that its our literal existence as a species at stake, I would support every helpful regulation possible, and HIGHLY positively incentivize businesses to go green with tax breaks to offset expenses.

The money can come from the military.

This is a strange hypothetical though since many other nations are taking the threat more seriously than we are.

So you are saying you support sacrificing our economy and stability for other countries and potentially letting our country fall from it's position in order to do something that will not matter without everyone on board?

Well if its not going to matter then our position on the worlds stage doesnt really matter, does it?

Who cares who is captain of the post-iceberg Titanic?
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Like, we dont have to be worlds number one in industry if it means irreparable planetary damage. Theres no pride in a pyhrric victory like that.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl, if global warming was 100% proven, and we were willing to sacrifice economic output to try and combat it but no other countries actually were willing to outside of words, what kind of action would you support our country taking in regards to it?

Given that its our literal existence as a species at stake, I would support every helpful regulation possible, and HIGHLY positively incentivize businesses to go green with tax breaks to offset expenses.

The money can come from the military.

This is a strange hypothetical though since many other nations are taking the threat more seriously than we are.
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red sox 777 posted...

I've seen nothing to show that mainstream Democrats care at all about criminal justice reform. You'll recall California speaeheaded the ridiculously dumb 3 strikes law and Hillary said "super predators" needed to be "brought to heel." In 2016, California voters passed a law that death penalty appeals be heard by the same judge that passed the original sentence.

If they care but are too scared of being branded as soft on crime to do anything about it, that doesn't produce any better results.

I know. Its just a big issue to me. Its the most broken systemic thing in America
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Hurley (Lost) if he counts
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Was he a LPer or something?

He was basically THE PC games reviewer, with a very very critical eye towards performance specs
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Eddv posted...

To me, he will always just be the guy who put himself on the line to promote gamergate even after it devolved into the rabid anti woman campaign it became.

Sucks for his family but....I have nothing good to say about him.

To be fair he did later renounce them. He genuinely seemed to be in it for the Ethics in Gaming Journalism, but once he realized how insanely toxic things were, he told them to piss off.

Hes also stuck up for various progressive causes even when his fan base hated him for it, which I admire.

I respect TB. Hes one of those things like Rick and Morty where his fan base is the worst part of his existence. He really became the rallying force behind the PC Master Race crowd, but I dont think he was that awful himself.

Cool enough for Dodger, cool enough for me
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Like, of all the conservative brainwashing, the fact that theyve gotten half the country to believe that the entire scientific community is willfully lying about how bad things are climate-wise is right near the top.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...uh, what's weird about those?

"prison reform" is oddly specific.

and personally i would never put "social justice issues" that high, and i care a ton about those kinds of issues.

To further this along, after the environment it is like he mostly just cares about illegal immigrants minorities in prison. Lol. Obviously a bit of hyperbole, but...

I mean, those are the people that are most mistreated by our society, so I care about helping them the most.

Theyre just behind the environment because that literally affects every person on Earth and HOLY CRAP weve done so much damage to our planet and its making life on Earth so much worse.

And yes, criminal justice reform is probably more accurate. Thanks people.
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I really really dont think Izzo would be able to work with professional players.

Good thing there arent many on the Magic!
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LapisLazuli posted...

https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/999727651198767106?s=19

Cage: The work were trying to do is imagine, for real, the world 20 years from now.

LOL
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Theres a gubernatorial debate here in Michigan a week from now thats going to include all 4 Republicans AND all 3 Democrats looking to replace Rick Snyder.

One of the Republican candidates has called one of the Democratic candidates (who is Muslim) part of a conspiracy by American Muslims to overthrow US law and install Sharia Law by getting more and more Muslims elected.

So thatll be fun
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I think my top four issues are, in order

Environment
Social Justice issues
Prison reform
Immigration amnesty

I dont think Im gonna get the specifics I want
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red sox 777 posted...

The big problem is that gun control probably requires a constitutional amendment, which requires 38 states, which is effectively impossible for this issue.

Is there a Supreme Court ruling on gun control?

Id be really interested to see our previous semiautomatic weapons ban tested through the court system
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red sox 777 posted...

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red sox 777 posted...

I don't know what you're talking about. The GOP campaigned on specifics in 2016. They've already been pointed out.

You listed four big issues. There were no specifics involved, on your part or the GOP's.

Those were the specifics.....

Hes trying to say that they werent really specific though. Like there was no plan on how to do them.

And I don't think that's relevant. Enough voters don't care about that.

"Build a wall" is sufficient.

In that same sense, would gun control count as a specific? I feel like that is a central part of nearly every Democrats platform.
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red sox 777 posted...

Roe v. Wade was not a central part of the GOP platform in 2016. Trump barely talked about it, if he did at all. Also, a presidential election has more potential to change the Supreme Court than a midterm election like 2018.

My impression is that its a central part of nearly every Federal Republicans platform.

Or am I possibly making that leap just by many of them promising to fight for the rights of the unborn?
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I think I came up with that exact story in this topic
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red sox 777 posted...

Kenri posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I don't know what you're talking about. The GOP campaigned on specifics in 2016. They've already been pointed out.

You listed four big issues. There were no specifics involved, on your part or the GOP's.

Those were the specifics.....

Hes trying to say that they werent really specific though. Like there was no plan on how to do them.
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red sox 777 posted...

Overturning Citizens United is not even if the Democrats win 2018. Probably not for many years.

This is true. Is it not the same as Republicans who run on overturning Roe v Wade though? Or does that not matter because there are other specifics they run on.

Trying to have a constructive conversation instead of attacking you.
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Eddv posted...

I think running on systemic reforms like Pelosi and Schumer just unveiled- running to overturn Citizens United and reign in corruption - is a good start.

Hillary ran on overturning Citizens United
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Lopen posted...

Yeah I know that

I'm saying he could be more of just a vanilla asshole and less of a lecherous asshole and if people wanted to be taken seriously they'd make him out to be lecherous to draw eyes these days.

Making up a conspiracy of lies to taint someones reputation doesnt really seem worth the hassle and threats that inevitably come to #MeToo accusers
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Lopen posted...

All it requires is Freeman having been an a****** to work with at times for this be a viable theory.

Being a lecherous asshole is basically all theyre accusing him of. Theres no criminal allegation.
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