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Delirious_Beard posted...

spoiler alert: it's shit

Did you play it? Because it's actually not.

LightningAce11 posted...

Seriously, what is with all the dialogue? Every line is cliche or "heard it before".

David Cage is a white dude who can't even write white dudes properly, let alone women or minorities.

Cage isn't even the main writer in this one.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

It really just reads like flirting. Not that it's appropriate in the work place, but it doesn't make him a scumbag.

Yeah but that's not going to stop the good old media spin, sadly.
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eston posted...

Romulox28 posted...

did you watch the trailer? it looked like fortnite or something. british soldiers with samurai swords, shooting down plans with guns, female with a robot arm hitting an enemy with a cricket bat, etc

I did not watch it but that sounds like a Saints Row game, lol

That's exactly what popped into my head lol
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edededdy posted...

seems like the pro was just released

If this is accurate, it'll be 5 years old by the time the PS5 launches. And the OG PS4 will be 8 years old. That's even longer than last generation which is currently the longest generation for gaming.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

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2Questionmarktarius posted...

Seems like it's just a glorified VN.
Were it full of anime waifus instead of facebones and shaders, I guarantee you the critical reactions would be completely flipped, more or less.

Uh no it wouldn't. The game you're looking for is Ace Attorney, which is highly praised.

Part of Detroit involves a lot of investigation sequences in the vein of Ace Attorney albeit even more in depth. The game is praised for doing that well. Seems dumb to arbitrarily assume people are bias in that way without even knowing what it's about.

Well, okay, maybe not critics, but instead talking head youtube "critics" and message board trolls.
Coffee isn't working its magic fast enough this morning.

If anything "youtube critics" are more inclined to be attached to anime games more than any other crowd. It's the big guys like IGN and the like that generally dislike those games.

Trolls will always be trolls though. Like I said, Ace Attorney is almost universally loved for a reason even though it's anime as fuck.
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2Questionmarktarius posted...

Seems like it's just a glorified VN.
Were it full of anime waifus instead of facebones and shaders, I guarantee you the critical reactions would be completely flipped, more or less.

Uh no it wouldn't. The game you're looking for is Ace Attorney, which is highly praised.

Part of Detroit involves a lot of investigation sequences in the vein of Ace Attorney albeit even more in depth. The game is praised for doing that well. Seems dumb to arbitrarily assume people are bias in that way without even knowing what it's about.
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The_Scarecrow posted...

Didn't David Cage have a nude model of Ellen Page made even though she told the development team not to do that?

Yeah for the weird shower scene.

Luckily Cage isn't the lead writer for Detroit.
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@Doe posted...

8 is undoubtedly generous, but it's the gaming """review""" industry, so whatever

Have you actually played the game or are you just assuming? The game has been praised by people not even in the """"review"""" industry so that point is moot.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Of course taste is subjective. I never mentioned taste though. I mentioned texture, moisture, produce quality and overall quality compared to competitors within these contexts. These are not subjective.

I'm still waiting for someone to at least try to reason against my analysis in post 55. So far the only replies have been "nuh-uh!"

That's no "analysis" lol. Sounds like you just went to a shitty Chick Fil A if you're having those issues. Never have I had any problem you mentioned, and I'm sure I've eaten at far more Chick Fil As than you have.
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Your loss. Chick Fil A is good shit. Easily a top tier chicken establishment with great fries too.
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She's doubly perfect then.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

saying PC can play all games is false. That's one of the main draws to consoles. I couldn't imagine not playing the dozens of Switch/PS4 exclusives.

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whitelytning posted...

I don't think you know what "blackmail" means.

First off, this.

Second, saying PC can play all games is false. That's one of the main draws to consoles. I couldn't imagine not playing the dozens of Switch/PS4 exclusives.
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averagejoel posted...

Darmik posted...

So people wouldn't have been upset if Obi-Wan was gay? Yeah right lol

the difference is that Obi-Wan has backstory in Clone Wars which shows that he is not gay

Terra-enforcer posted...

The fact that Lucas didn't telegraph this at all. This is something the new team implemented.

you didn't answer the question. what, in Star Wars canon, was retconned to make Lando pansexual?

I literally answered this in the post you quoted...
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ASithLord7 posted...

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Nothing has ever placed Lando as being anything more than a mere womanizer until now. It's simply not in good faith of you to seriously act as if this was clearly the original intent for the character.

YOU CAN BE A WOMANIZER AND BE BI

BI PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO MEN AND WOMEN, NOT JUST MEN

And "nothing has ever..." All like 4 pieces of canon that Lando has been in? Two movies, a comic miniseries and Rebels?

I'm not entirely sure what's canon or not after the split, but please, be my guest to prove otherwise. Obviously being a womanizer isn't the sole determinant of sexuality. But it says a lot when that is the ONLY way a character is written until all of a sudden when new writers take over. Same as when Bobby Drake became gay. Felt forced and his comics weren't any better for it.
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Darmik posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

The fact that Lucas didn't telegraph this at all. This is something the new team implemented.

This 'new team' involves the writer of Empire Strikes Back. The movie Lando debuted in.

Was one of those writers Jonathan Kasdan (the guy who made the statement) who was like five years old when the movie came out? Nope lol

And even if that weren't the case, it's still a retcon.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

averagejoel posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Retcons like this are always bad. Just introduce a new character if this clearly wasn;t the original writer's intent. Holdo would have been a good example but clearly that ship has sailed.

what exactly is being retconned?

The fact that Lucas didn't telegraph this at all. This is something the new team implemented.

Unless Lando ever said he was straight this is not a retcon.

Jesus fucking H Christ.

And Lucas doesn't own Star Wars anymore.

If the original intent of a character is written down path A, and eventually they shift to path B that contradicts or deviates from path A, that's a blatant retcon whether you like it or not. The movies, the novels, databooks, what have you. Nothing has ever placed Lando as being anything more than a mere womanizer until now. It's simply not in good faith of you to seriously act as if this was clearly the original intent for the character.

Here, I'll help you out.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/retcon

This is as textbook example of a retcon as you can get.
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averagejoel posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Retcons like this are always bad. Just introduce a new character if this clearly wasn;t the original writer's intent. Holdo would have been a good example but clearly that ship has sailed.

what exactly is being retconned?

The fact that Lucas didn't telegraph this at all. This is something the new team implemented.
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Retcons like this are always bad. Just introduce a new character if this clearly wasn;t the original writer's intent. Holdo would have been a good example but clearly that ship has sailed.
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Darmik posted...

myzz7 posted...

Darmik posted...

Call of Duty Black Ops IIII
- Multiplayer Only
- Battle Royale mode from Ravensoft

i thought that was confirmed faked by the original leaker.

Kotaku and Eurogamer seem to have their own sources so I don't think it's debunked yet.

LightningAce11 posted...

Another Assassin's Creed? Is this a remaster?

No idea. I thought rumors were hinting at Watch Dogs 3.

Watch Dogs is FY2019 apparently
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>pro wrestling board

that was your first problem
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Ragnarider posted...

aka "I fell asleep during history class or I'm being disingenuous and hoping you fell asleep during history class"

basically
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What the hell? As if the crime itself wasn't bad enough, 58 TB? Jeez get some help
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The Guy fight was definitely a dumb part of that arc. The Sakura Chiyo fight made up for it tho imo. But filler aside, Shippuden gets really good and peaks around the Itachi and Pain fights. Whether you like the War arc depends on who you are and what you expect from the series.
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DevsBro posted...

Wait is this coming out already?

I like this new Nintendo style where they announce a game and then it comes out.

As opposed to the everyone else style where they announce a game 35 million years before release.

Metroid is still 2019 tho
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MrResetti posted...

Who names their dog Slider?

You had an animal crossing character in your name so I just named random AC dogs :p
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Darmik posted...

Arkham Knight had the Nolan and BvS suit. I think the only people who care about that stuff would buy the game anyway. Especially if they're watching YouTube trailers that show off the Iron Spider. I don't really know if Infinity War hype will carry over to game sales THAT much. Most of the casuals play the mobile tie-in stuff these days. I don't recall a Spider-man PS4 trailer when watching the movie.

I think you're really underselling the popularity of Batman btw.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Not a good point with Star Wars, as even with that series being botched by EA, the first one is one of the best selling games of this entire gen.

That's actually why I did bring it up. It sold 14 million and it was a multiplat. If Spider-man was multiplat too I think it would be an easy win. But overall I think it limits what it could otherwise potentially sell.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's an easy 8-10 million in sales. The rest depends on a lot of other factors.

Arkham Knight was also a year into the gen, BvS wasn't nearly as successful (lol), and it wasn't really marketed together much. The Spider-Man game showed before my movie and I heard the same from a few others, but obviously not every theater is the same. And I very much disagree on marketing. If they market them together by the time IW is on dvd I definitely expect plenty of kids and entry level people to see Spider-Man and make the connection (either to the movies or the character in general).

No I'm not underselling Batman at all. Look at my infograph above and compare the sales of IW just a few weeks in to even the best selling Batman movie. It's even really close.

Darmik posted...

That's actually why I did bring it up. It sold 14 million and it was a multiplat. If Spider-man was multiplat too I think it would be an easy win. But overall I think it limits what it could otherwise potentially sell.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's an easy 8-10 million in sales. The rest depends on a lot of other factors.

It sold at least 14 million (probably a LOT more by now since that 14 mill was just after half a year) and a vast majority of those were on PS4. So not really a good point if you intentionally brought it up.

If Horizon can sell ~8 million in a year, I find it hard to believe Spider-Man will apparently struggle to maintain that range unless something horrible goes wrong, which seems unlikely given Sony's current track record.
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Get both eventually. If you like dedicated multiplayer games and not much else, get Splatoon. If you want a long and engrossing single player and nothing when it comes to multiplayer, get XB2. They're really polar opposites in that regard.

I have more playtime in Splatoon 2, but XB2 is one of the best games I've ever played personally.
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Darmik posted...

It's not an Infinity War game though. It's Spider-man. The Dark Knight made more than Spider-Man Homecoming. Arkham City and Knight also built on the success of the previous games.

I don't think merch sales really influence game sales that much. Otherwise Star Wars Battlefront would outsell every video game.

That's also disregarding the Smash potential! All of the Switch debuts so far have been the fastest selling in their franchises history. Super Mario Odyssey will likely outsell Super Mario Galaxy this year. They're also expecting to sell an extra 20 million Switch consoles this financial year. I think this Smash Bros will be the best selling game in the series so far. I don't think it's unrealistic that it will sell 15+ million by the time it's all said and done.

Meanwhile I'm not totally sure if Spider-Man would hit that. It would have to be both the best selling PS4 and superhero game to do that I believe.

The bet probably won't really go anywhere though because we'll never see lifetime sales for Spidey like we will for Smash.

That's not what I said. I said "marketed with" which is what Spider-Man is doing. The latest trailer for Spider-Man PS4 literally has "The Iron Spider from the recent hit movie Infinity War!" and there are multiple hints towards other marketing crossovers like this. And again, you're ignoring that even DK sold a mere fraction of what IW is going to sell.

Not a good point with Star Wars, as even with that series being botched by EA, the first one is one of the best selling games of this entire gen.

And who knows on Smash. I can still see Spider-Man outselling it early on. Smash will likely have stronger legs like Brawl did, but only time will tell.
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Darmik posted...

Maybe the gameplay trailer will blow people away but so far this looks like it will be another flop for Bethesda.

A lot of time it's a combination of factors, but it's really crazy how many flops they've had this gen. It's like Fallout 4 sold gangbusters so they're okay with everything else dropping the bucket lol
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Darmik posted...

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Couple that with the push from what is quickly becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, there's definitely a lot more in its favor than Batman ever had.

Arkham Asylum came out a year after The Dark Knight and was multiplat. The games were all highly acclaimed too.

The biggest flaw with your bet however is that Nintendo update their sales every FY update and Sony doesn't though <_<

Dark Knight isn't even close to what Infinity War is. Arkham also wasn't marketed alongside Dark Knight like Spider-Man is. Also notice how that link I posted above showed Spider-Man merch outselling Batman AND Superman AND the Avengers combined and then doubled :p Hardly an analogous comparison.

But you're right about Sony and updating their figures. If there is no update then obviously it just gets called off. Might just be better to bet which will rank higher on NPDs since that actually has a set value (assuming Smash is Sept).

What about it, TC?
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Darmik posted...

I dunno if superhero games are safe bets for 10+ million. I don't think any of the Arkham games sold that much.

No PS4 exclusive has reached 10 million either IIRC.

Could go either way. I'd lean more towards Smash. Even Smash Bros on Wii U sold over 5 million which was nearly half of the userbase.

Uncharted 4 almost certainly passed 10 million by now. It was over 8.7 before the end of the year it released iirc. And Horizon was at 7.6 in about a year, and God of War is outpacing both of them. I'd be surprised if at that drastic pace they don't rather easily pass the 10 million mark. And not this gen, but the relatively recent TLOU sold 8 million in about a year as well.

Suffice to say Sony has had a lot of exclusive hits recently, and those are all without the major pull Spider-Man has on the merchandise market. Couple that with the push from what is quickly becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, there's definitely a lot more in its favor than Batman ever had.

It's not a guarantee, but chances of it doing as well as those other games or better are extremely high.
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Darmik posted...

I'm buying both Smash and Spidey in September. Sucks for Spyro and Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

Same. But I'm also buying DQXI and Spyro. RIP my wallet.

MrK3V posted...

smash will sell more than spidey

Sig bet of some kind on it? Because unless the new Smash is the best selling game in the franchise, I kinda doubt it. Most of the big Sony first party games for PS4 have been on track to sell ~10 million in just over a year. Brawl which was on the Wii sold ~12 over its entire life cycle which seems like a simple task for Spider-Man (see my infograph I posted above).
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Booker

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MrK3V posted...

you mean spiderman should change their month if smash comes out the same month

Smash wish it could sell half as much merch as Spiderman does.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Mia/Marvel_vs_DC_Licensing_Chart.jpg

I love Smash, and it's up there for me, but Spider-Man looks like a completely different beast. Looks like it could easily be the best super hero game of all time, and probably will be my GOTY (that or KH3).

It's also kinda hard to be hyped about a game we know nothing about (referring to Smash).
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The OP shows that you weren't paying attention well AT ALL so I'm not so sure you're the best to make this sort of complaint lol. It has issues, but the things listed in the OP are flat out bad complaints since those are surprisingly some of the few points that are explained well.
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If it releases September, then nah. That's Spider-Man's month.
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DoctorVader posted...

Didn't the previews a month or two back get pretty bad reviews?

There were some weird conflicting reports going on. I heard what you said, but there were also reports of it being viewed far better than the first movie. Guess we'll see soon enough.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

than the Hulk by a pretty wide margin.

Not even close. Feige has already co firmed she is the strongest hero we have seen and by a lot.

But that was before we saw just how broken Stormbreaker Thor was.

Do you have a source on this? I'm just referring to the comics and I assumed they wouldn't deviate too far from the comics.

If she can solo Thanos seems to defeat the purpose of what the assumed theme of Avengers 4 is supposedly.
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She can't fix all of it lol. She scales weaker than the Hulk by a pretty wide margin. But she's just one piece to the Avengers 4 puzzle.
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chetmanly posted...

$60 exact? This seems fake

Come on now lol. You know what he meant
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Who goes to spend $60 on food from five guys of all places?

fenderbender321 posted...

Every time I go anywhere like Pita Pit, Subway, etc, I always walk in right after a family of like 4, and they NEVER let me order first even though I'm the only other person in there and it's just me.

Freaking preach.
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I'm not even afraid of spiders and I wouldn't do this. Far too long.
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dameon_reaper posted...

I don't know if I want to add more games...that seems fishy...slightly >_>

Also, should have had Chrono Trigger on it as well ><

That's fair I guess. I'm not usually one to do such a thing, but as long as you own the games it shouldn't be fishy. Only really gets grey if you touch games you never purchased.

It's just more convenient for me personally.
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Start off by looking up tutorials to add more games.

Otherwise just play what you feel like playing and try to stick to a handful at once. It's kinda easy to get overwhelmed and end up not finishing anything.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Alternative facts wtf are you talking about?

And this whole topic is a race bait as usual by saying "White" person does wrong to "black" person when the facts are more clearly "x"person calls out "x" people for breaking a law.

The facts we know objectively show they were breaking the law yet you still try to do some mental gymnastics to say otherwise.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Alternative facts is calling assumptions "objective fact." And you have NO room to accuse others of race baiting if you do the same mere minutes later. You're just as wrong as the person you attempted (and failed) to accuse.

And if you still don't get my point, then once again, you're either confirming your position as a shitposter or you're several tiers below grade schoolers. Either way, clearly a waste of time.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Which leads back to one of my points. The video indicated otherwise so we're assuming either way.

Exactly.

The citations provided as evidence for the sake of the argument are "not enough".

Moving the goal posts.

Based on what we objectively know and can source, they were breaking the rules. End of story.

I win.

That's not true at all, but if you want to ignore events and make assumptions for the goal of "winning" an argument against a random person on the internet, good for you I guess? Must be pretty pitiful if you really have to stretch this far after proving so little lol

Hell, at the very least you can't even say you "won" considering you had to resort to "alternative facts," ignore points, and take part in the very race baiting you were trying to argue against in the first place. Definitely doesn't seem like a win by any means to me.
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