Lurker > Metal_DK

The drama is almost always between others on the show, the places they go to film know they are coming, and people often know they are coming there as well...it's a lot more controlled than irl streams....a LOT more
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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

Again you are ignoring the scripted elements of reality TV vs irl streams
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HashtagSEP posted...

Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. People specifically tuned into Real World because it WASN'T scripted most of the time and they wanted to see wild and crazy shit happen that nobody was expecting. Nobody wanted to see the cast members sit around the house and recite lines

Most of the time, there still was plenty of guidelines and AGAIN it was between a bunch of people who knew what was going on damnit. This is the key thing you keep ignoring. Puck and whoever he pissed off were there and KNEW what was going on and how MTV wanted that drama. Cmon
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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

I haven't moved any posts. Real world isn't an example because they were acting like pricks in a specific environment.

YOU moved the goalpost. I said these irl streams see people doing this to completely random people on their stream. People tune in 100% for these encounters, even donating money to it.

NOBODY tuned into the real world for fights with somebody not on the show. They tuned into a semi scripted environment. If a fight like that happened I'm sure MTV wanted the footage (did that orbital bone breaking between a non person on the show who probably still had an idea what was going on air on the episode...if so you got your one example!)

You now say "well one time a cast member got in a fight with somebody not related to the show", as some shitty gotcha attempt, and what? OK? That's what the real worlds entire premise was? People NOT on the show? Nah
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Metal_DK posted...

You are using such small snippets when there is now thousands of video content of it happening now.

i watch plenty of irl streams and none of them contain kids purposefully acting like douchebags. i can't imagine that kind of streaming being that popular.

I'm sure there are way more reasonably acting people than not, what's your point? He'll admitting you partaking in the trend of irl streams proves my point. This is the new era.

Again, you guys think I'm saying irl streams are evil and whatnot. I'm saying this is the new era. Bad shit will come from it at times and can be a product of ot, but often perfectly reasonable content will happen. Same with the 07 through 16 era
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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

And give me like 10 examples of real world cast members having incidents like that between people NOT on the show. I can probably show you 10 in the past month.

Give me some besides your vague story to make the claim that it was happening a lot. It wasn't happening a lot. It was ahead of its time, don't get me wrong. The real world was definitely ahead of its time in many ways, TV historians all know this...
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You are using such small snippets when there is now thousands of hours of video content uploaded quickly these days

Your "it happened on real world I mentioned one time and I think it happened others" in comparison to thousands of hours of content that is being uploaded daily of this stuff now as irl streaming. It's a different time, your one real world (and somebody trying to use the Truman show...really?) example vs hours now due to the events of 2007 to 2016

Also when people say "you're wrong" like that, I tend to think they are saying it to reassure themselves more than anything else. It's a new era. 2007 through 2016 saw the beginnings of this. The past few years is the new CR2.0
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HashtagSEP posted...

Real World literally had people get their faces broken from the "scripted" confrontations, so I mean... That sounds like consequences. That show had scripted "storylines," but most of the douchebaggery they did in public was real

I know you really wanna push the CR in every situation, but you may just want to concede this point, dude

Ya between people on the fucking show. The real world on MTV was never "walk up to randos and punch them in the face" that would be lawsuit city. This is "IRL streaming let's just say racist shut under the guise of were being characters!"

This isn't 2k7. This is the next era. I've said this at least 5 times. The CRO2K7 lead to a lot of this though. You haven't said anything that hasn't been refuted.
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HashtagSEP posted...

I mean the initial point was "stuff like this has existed for awhile already" in reply to ExTha saying the concept of watching somebody stream their life was new and dumb, and stuff like Real World and Road Rules were REALLY popular so... I'm not sure how the initial point is wrong?

The point is those are shows that are scripted, know what is happening when they tune in, and still have plots and what not. This I suppose has a plot (being racist at a dennys), but it can and will have consequences to people involved. It's significantly different because of the people involved thus it's different from something like kardashians or other reality tv
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I guess maybe the rise of court room shows throughout the 90s is a decent counter point to what I'm saying, but it's a stretch because mostly just old people watch that stuff or kids now that everyone can find 5 minute YouTube clips...
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SeabassDebeste posted...

The Real World started in 1992, and that's in the same vein as the Kardashians. Truman Show came out in like 97 or 98.

I mean one example even if it was popular and a movie that's you know...scripted isn't a trend.

The mid 00s saw a huge increase in shows like we're describing. How many shows between 92 and 06/07ish are similar to real world and had popularity close to it, kardashians, housewives, jersey shore, etc. I mention the bachelor/ette which debuted in 02/03, but ratings of that show were declining from season 2 in 2002 until season 10 in....2007 when it hit a second stride.
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Quite a bit different seeing this and knowing something might be up than the original post's video.
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The vast majority of reality tv of the past 10 years or so is closer to Kardashians than Survivor. Ive also made it clear there is a difference between types of reality TV, hence what I said about Survivor

edit to your edit: If they see a bunch of big cameras and other stuff involved, ya I think people will think something is up....
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Im just saying, this is quite a bit different than "people would see reality tv stars in a club acting a fool, this isnt new". Ya, its new.

Its also the next era, i keep saying this. This is the next step, the personal brand/were all "characters" to play irl now.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Actually most of the time they don't tell you what it's for either, again for obvious reasons.

I know people who had to sign a form before appearing, hell they went to the location of the episode filming just to be in it (real housewives of Atlanta in my case).

Also when they see massive cameras on these people acting a fool most people will think "oh its a tv show".

When they see a group of early 20 somethings with iphones only doing the recording, they probably arent thinking "oh this is a character in an irl stream on twitch!"
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Peridiam posted...

The only parts of Survivor that can be considered staged are when the producers interview castaways and ask them to repeat their thoughts in a clearer way, one that will translate better in the editing suite. They aren't fed the thoughts, but are sometimes asked to clarify.

I would honestly bet there aren't plenty of things that are scripted (and I would easily expect to win that bet), but then I follow the show to the nth degree and know more than the average joe about it.

Again, survivor also has to maintain some level of honesty because there is money rewarded at the end. Its also a game show. Its not really what people think of reality tv anymore, reality tv changed with Kardashians, Real Housewives of OC, etc in....
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StealThisSheen posted...

Metal_DK posted...

All those shows are scripted/staged yes.

And almost everyone who shows their face on any reality tv show signs stuff, know whats going on with the show generally etc. This was not that. This is different.

As somebody who has had to sign a release, signing a release doesn't mean you're "part of the show." They basically tell you "We're filming something here, blah blah, sign this" and if you don't they blur out your face. You very rarely actually have any idea what is going to take place unless it's a very large production show. If they need you to stay out of an area, they inform you of that, but that's about it. They specifically leave out details because they want as natural of a reaction from people as they can get, since telling people "This is what's going to happen but pretend you don't know that" doesn't work for obvious reasons.

Obviously there are a few exceptions, such as if something is going to happen that may cause somebody to call the police, but even then they leave it vague.

They are still telling you, "hey this is for being on an episode of <insert show here>, were letting you know this, blah blah".

Not the same as "lets be racist to people at a dennys because were playing a character (are they even)! Reality IRL STREAMING!"

And again, my point is, this is the next era. The CRO2K7 definitely led to this. This is not 2007 anymore, but we have to talk about the prior era (or couple tbh, the most recent eras were 1989 Berlin Wall going down to 9/11, then 9/11 to Casual Revolution of 2007, then Brexit/Trump to the present starting in 2015/2016 ish)
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Peridiam posted...

Survivor isn't scripted or staged, and I say this as someone who's spent (too) many hours peering behind the scenes.

Survivor is way more competitive. Yes its reality TV in a way, but there is a prize (a million dollars still right?). Teen mom, Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Bravo shit, even HGTV shows, etc isnt really the same.

Also I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of things about the show that are scripted, staged, or manufactured somewhat.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

and for clarity's sake, i will add that i do think irl streaming IS something new. plenty of irl streamers aren't really playing a "character" (particularly smaller ones) and there's the whole chat aspect i mentioned before, which obviously didn't exist with MTV reality shows. but since these idiot kids are clearly playing a role for effect and as far as i can tell they're not interacting with any kind of chat at all, there's little difference between this and those old reality shows aside from production values/audience reach. this is just a bad example to use for metal_dk's "this is what the casual revolution has caused" spiel.

This is post Casual Revolution, exactly my point. This is the next era. It is quite a bit different from reality tv of teen mom, or jersey shore, or kardashians, etc. The casual revolution did lead to this though, at least somewhat.

Casual Revolution is 2007 to 2016 or so. Also streamers on twitch who play/played a character (caseytron is a perfect example, same with dr disrespect) were not being a character to unsuspecting people irl to piss them off.
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HashtagSEP posted...

You realize there's more reality TV than Survivor, Kardashians, etc., right? Even shit like Teen Mom or half the other crap you see on MTV or Bravo is basically idiots acting out around people clearly not in on the show

The main difference is production values. Idiots like this that stream themselves purposely acting like idiots for reactions from viewers and random people around them aren't all that much difference than people doing it with a script.

All those shows are scripted/staged yes.

And almost everyone who shows their face on any reality tv show signs stuff, know whats going on with the show generally etc. This was not that. This is different.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't mean the kardashians affect people who are watching the show, i mean they also affect people they encounter IN the show.

like, when the kardashians go to a club or a bar and they distract people by acting like idiots, i don't see how that's different from a bunch of youtube trolls acting like idiots at a denny's. or do you think evey single one of the people at the club or bar is an actor following a script?

You have to look at all things involved, watchers and people they encounter.

And I'd be willing to bet everyone in a bar or club or whatever all sign agreements, understand generally what's about to take place, and mostly are told to shut the fuck up and act in a semi specific manner because America's royal family is present.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

yes, and keeping up with the kardashians isn't a talkshow either.

i was making the comparison to find out what the "significant difference" is, according to you. keeping up with the kardashians isn't 100% "scripted" like a show like friends is. like SEP said, what kim kardashian does on the show still affects real people, like how what these kids do affects the people around them. so again, what's the significant difference?

Kardashians is waaaay more scripted than not....all TV is except for maybe shows like wheel of fortune or something. And under the dumb logic like "they both effect real people so they are the same", you could say that videos like Asian Andy or whatever is name is is the exact same as say...infinity war.

this is people just being trolls with a camera. And this is significantly different because people can I don't know, turn off the TV if they don't want to watch it? Not see a movie? It's quite a bit different when people are just using ordinary people with no agreement to have to hear offensive things while eating.

This is a lot different from something like the kardashians. This type of entertainment is unfortunately the post 2007 era.
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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

This isn't a talk show. Most talk shows on twitch again are structured and not purposely trying to piss off randos at a restaurant, that's a bad comparison by you...
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StealThisSheen posted...

Metal_DK posted...

reality tv is also scripted as fuck.....

This is just dipshits being worthless in actual situations to get views, clicks, streamlab donations, etc.

I mean, I'm not sure there's really that big of a difference. Reality TV is mostly people acting in a specific manner for certain reactions/situations/etc. This is dipshits acting in a specific manner for certain reactions/situations/etc. Like, the main "characters" of reality shows are all scripted, but they're still often doing shit that impacts people around them. These dipshits may as well be scripted because they're purposely acting certain ways to get reactions/cause situations.

It's significantly different. Shows like the Kardashians, the bachelor, survivor, etc are all on a major network, have writers and/or producers, etc. Maybe if your version of reality TV is Logan Paul vlogs, or pickup artist youtuber #76282, fine. But this is just overgrown babies at a Dennys trying to get negative reactions out of people in public. Reality TV is mostly a script and fake, trying to get reactions like "omg the bachlorette got a new ass".

now if Kim Kardashian started filming herself at a restaurant just purposely being argumentative with people who don't want to be bothered, sure
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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

reality tv is also scripted as fuck.....

This is just dipshits being worthless in actual situations to get views, clicks, streamlab donations, etc. At least in the Casual Revolution era it was mostly just lets plays and online "discussions/debates". Now its people who are just trying to enjoy their day/night (as much as you can at a restaurant like dennys) getting trolled by morons and the dumbass edgelords who donate to them.
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Fuck the casual revolution of 2007
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UltimaterializerX posted...

The world moves too fast now. Kids are all about Minecraft and Fortnite, but next year or next month itll be something else. When we were kids, our social media was actually watching someone play Zelda, and that lasted for years. Now people stream it and move on in a week or two.

This, because of you know what of course
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God I'm gonna miss the lebron era...
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SmartMuffin posted...

As much shit as I've given Holtby over the years, he REALLY held strong in the second when Tampa was dominating and charging hard...

Tampa was the better team for most of this game, and Holtby did what he's never been able to do in the playoffs before... he stole one for them.

i was waiting for the 3rd period collapse tbh
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the question is....do you trust Holtby in the SCF?
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Good lord this Gen sucked. And I thought the PSWii60 Gen was shit
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Going to movies by myself was something i used to be embarrassed to do, but moving to a new city with only a few friends meh who cares. So many people stay inside all day anyways now so its kinda hard to get people to do anything

Infinity War was solid, but the criticisms that I have are:

1) Hulk/Banner was pretty dumb, also had some really cheesy lines. They also kinda turned banner into the butt of every joke with very little else.

2) Cap/Widow/Falcon/Panther/Winter Soldier I thought coulda used a bit more time on screen that wasn't just fighting a horde of monsters

3) Thor needing a hammer after spending Ragnarok learning without was kinda poor i agree

Not the best, but a pretty solid MCU film
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Vilg dra Lyciym Najumideuh uv 2007
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it ended, because now everyone realizes it
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Love how hes mocking meme culture with his dances and alternating between faces of forced happiness and then with looks of "fucking dumb shit" on his face.

Fuck the casual revolution of 2007
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I think he was just for a moment respecting Cap actually trying to do something in that situation tbh
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

Jokey Banner was funny,

disagree. he was sort of funny in ragnarok but he was just cringe here.

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Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016

Saw it a second time on Saturday, also watching a couple of MCU films between (Winter Soldier, still my favorite. Both Guardians, and Thor 2/3) the two infinity war showings (opening weekend and yesterday).

I definitely saw some things lacking in character development after not being wowed by the vastness. Banner being kinda a joke character in every scene was disappointing too. I thought a few characters acted a bit different from their normal movies (Cap kinda here imo). Thor, Black Widow, most of the Black Panther crew, and Rocket, Gamora, and Drax all seemed more or less the same.

Enjoyed it a lot still, but definitely saw a bit of flaws in it.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Metal_DK posted...

People knew who Gadot was, the fast and furious movies that she was in made hundred of millions of dollars....

I'd disagree. She didn't have a particularly huge or memorable role. "That chick from Fast and the Furious" is going to get a lot of "Michelle Rodriguez?" answers and then blank stares.

she was definitely distinguished enough by fast 5 (the best one in most people's eyes) to know that people wouldnt just say "michelle rodriguez?"
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People knew who Gadot was, the fast and furious movies that she was in made hundred of millions of dollars....
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I always thought When Harry Met Sally was a decent romance movie for dudes.
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I'm surprised they were able to get Alex Winter with his super busy schedule
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A little bit tbh, but not a ton
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Great film. Some criticisms, but it was nice how much screen time Thanos got.

I do think its funny though that all of the original avengers survived Thanos's"wipe". I mean we know why because Avengers 4 is about their final mission and pass the torch, but its supposed to be "random" in the film right? Also I'm assuming Nebula survives because shes going to die to somehow bring back Gamora, even if Gamora didn't vanish away and was thrown off the cliff.

And don't worry about the Hulk not smashing, he'll be smashing the fuck outta people next year
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Dancedreamer posted...

I think more people's voices being heard is always for the better.

its not always better, especially when people only use 140 characters to express their opinion (and people only wanna read 140 and make massive judgement calls)
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the weather in Texas changes every 10 minutes
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I can derail this if youd like
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How much better are Tampa/Boston than Washington/Pittsburgh and how much is their fairly higher point total due to the fact that the shittiest teams in the metro (NYR/NYI) are better than half the Atlantic?
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we will be talking about Hillary Clinton as long as Trump as still in the white house and probably for a few years after. Its honestly somewhat justified though so its not a huge deal
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I just get annoyed that people think I'm saying it's a bad thing. It's not bad or good. It just is. That 06/07/08 period was massive, and people are much more aware of it starting around 2016.

I mean I'm well aware that I'm contributing to this, I tweet and talk about others tweets, etc.

Feel free to ignore me, as a last word (if you haven't ignored me already) I hope everyone finds happiness in whatever they do
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