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| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 3:39:43 PM #119 | Mal_Fet posted... Mal_Fet posted... you were gonna think that regardless --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 3:24:13 PM #114 | Mal_Fet posted... Good job: you accused me of ignoring more than you are and here you are only responding to one line out of my entire post. yeah, why shouldn't we be on an even playing field? I've given you several chances to respond to some facets of my points and you continue to refuse. Im not gonna put in more work than you are (and I already responded to most of the rest in past posts anyway) Mal_Fet posted... And for the record, yes Obama did try to shut down conservative groups he didn't like by using the IRS as a weapon to attempt to bankrupt them. so setting aside the fact that this is far from an open and shut case of Obama doing anything you really consider this equally authoritarian to closing down peoples churches just because of their religion? at best this would weed out groups that are breaking laws regarding nonprofits. it isnt great but, you know, going by your own law-following ways its just following the law as written to shut down partisan nonprofits that are not behaving appropriately Mal_Fet posted... So once again, if Trump supporters are authoritarian according to this study, why aren't Obama's supporters as well? because the alternatives were more authoritarian? Balrog0 posted... mean, does that help at all? Let's say they're all authoritarians. Most presidents are. That doesn't make them equally authoritarian. Even if they don't have a track record of being authoritarian, they can talk like they are -- and if they do have the track record, they can pretend they aren't. This is about how voters perceive people, not necessarily how they personally or politically behave. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 3:14:11 PM #109 | Mal_Fet posted... They spoke about the NRA as if it were a villainous organization that doesn't care about the lives of children, so yeah basically. lmfao yeah, talking about something being bad is the same thing as saying the government should shut them down could you be any more intellectually bankrupt? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Why does ce have this huge thing about attacking the morality of the responder |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:59:25 PM #42 | gamepimp12 posted...
eh, if Im being honest I really dont believe you. I believe you think this now that it has become a public thing. I seriously doubt you would have supported the person punching me for supporting abortion rights even if I was rude a couple years ago thats jmo i dont know you so its cool --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:56:32 PM #106 | wait did you just IGNORE the fact that there was more to the authoritarian policy proposals than the restriction of immigration? WOW. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:55:54 PM #105 | Mal_Fet posted... Freedom of speech is a human right. Effective self defense is a human right. Being allowed to reproduce is a human right. Being allowed in the United States is not a human right. oh ok so whatever mal fet considers authoritarain is and if he doesnt it isnt gotcha --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:54:54 PM #104 | Mal_Fet posted... As I already explained: being against people coming into the country illegally and taking advantage of the country's benefits is no more authoritarian than wanting everyone to obey the speed limit. I mean, I just gave a ton of examples of this being stupid reasoning. Civil asset forfeiture is legal. Jailing people up for putting harmless drugs in their bodies is the law. No libertarian worth anything would use this logic to justify a law as not being authoritarian simply because it is the law. Mal_Fet posted... And a muslim registry is no more authoritarian than wanting a firearm owner registry, which is something both Hillary and Obama supported despite both having "anti-authoritarian" supporters in their general election campaigns (as the study claims, ONLY Trump had a correlation with such supporters). but that's still not all that they wanted to do. did hildawg and obama want to go to local NRA chapters and shut tehm down? like I said, you can be more authoritarian than anotehr authoritarian. Mal_Fet posted... On top of how someone could successfully run a hypothetical southern strategy with a voting history like Nixon's, you're ignoring how as president Nixon desegregated schools, another questionable policy for someone trying to win over racist southerners. Not as if he did; Southern whites, especially poor southern whites, remained Democrat until the 80's. school desegregation was because of a court decision; https://muse.jhu.edu/article/228396 "Nixon had to be hauled kicking and screaming into desegregation on a meaningful scale, and he did what he did not because it was right but because he had no choice." Mal_Fet posted... Who said they aren't nationalist? Nationalist =/= Nazi, but that's clearly the implication being made there then they compare the Tea Party (again, a movement that only served to elect Constitutionalists) to parties like the National Front. and parties like UKIP? They didnt compare them to the BNP. That's why its weird you're not taking parties like the national front at their word but you are taking the tea party at theirs. Its not like the national front is openly nazis; marine le pen took pains to distance herself from the more controversial figures in the party's past for instance and idk im still ignoring a lot less than u are --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Why does ce have this huge thing about attacking the morality of the responder |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:48:27 PM #35 | gamepimp12 posted... My point. Why is it weird? it's pretty much exactly what we teach kids about keeping their hands to themselves. Maybe in the case of Nazis it's different, but do you feel this way about every initiation of violence based on verbal stuff? What if I'm just talking about how abortions should be more readily available and someone thinks I'm a baby killer? Is it weird? What if I'm even actively taunting this person? "I don't give a shit about the fetus, bro, I actually hope more die." And he slugs me in the face. Am I the one who is more morally in the wrong? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:37:26 PM #100 | China doesn't let you have more than 2 kids authoritarian or just the law? you decide --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:36:45 PM #99 | didnt they pass a law in canada making it illegal to "misgender" a transgender individual? not authoritarian though since that is the law --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:35:33 PM #98 | in some places, women can't show their faces legally not authoritarian, just the law --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:35:03 PM #97 | the laws says you can't own guns in a lot of countries these countries are not authoritarian --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:34:23 PM #96 | in what world did something being "the law" make it not authoritarian? do you realize it was the law to capture runaway slaves and send them back to their home states evne if you lived in a state where black people were free? is that not authoritarian because it was the law? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:33:10 PM #94 | Mal_Fet posted... Which is evidently a bad definition, given how he cites the muslim ban and deporting illegals as per the law as authoritarian stances. why aren't they? Mal_Fet posted... Now address the lies I point out in post 58, please. what does what Nixon did in the senate have to do with pursuing the southern strategy as president? why are you ok with labeling parties that say they aren't nationalist as neo nazis but then only taking the tea party at their word that they aren't some nativist group? idgi --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:30:24 PM #91 | I mean, does that help at all? Let's say they're all authoritarians. Most presidents are. That doesn't make them equally authoritarian. Even if they don't have a track record of being authoritarian, they can talk like they are -- and if they do have the track record, they can pretend they aren't. This is about how voters perceive people, not necessarily how they personally or politically behave. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:28:38 PM #90 | Mal_Fet posted... MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. This is not that complicated, are you trying to be purposefully dense? they said that the majority of Republicans who supported these things were authoritarians based on the survey questions. It also doesn't specifically talk about just those two narrow things, which I already pointed out to you and which you deflected with a "but Hilary" which doesnt even make sense since they specifically talk about how Hilary's support in 2008 was from authoritarians. If anything your framing just makes their case for them, since Trump got more authoritarian support even though the authoritarian Hildawg was also running. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 2:04:47 PM #77 | Mal_Fet posted... Deporting people who immigrate illegally is the law as it is written. Executive orders written by former presidents are not laws. in a very narrowly construed way, maybe. the actual law gives illegal immigrants a hearing in court and a chance to apply for relief from deportation. so jumping to the end conclusion without that caveat is probably playing your hand a bit far. Mal_Fet posted... And I question anyone who thinks wanting a registry for people who believe in Islam (which I don't support) is authoritarian but wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm (which I also don't support) is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points that she made much more frequently than Trump suggesting he would register all muslims. ok. they said that hildawg was also a recipient of authoritarian support in the 2008 primary fyi Mal_Fet posted... And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. Another lie made by this writer, it seems. it isn't based on that criteria. the majority of authoritarian GOP supported those things, but that's not how they constructed the measurement of authoritarian they actually do this to separate out the "personality" authoritarians from the "political" authoritarians so taht they can see how one influecnes the other --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 1:49:21 PM #72 | also you're not even honestly representing the part that you're erroneously referencing as being part of the construction of the authoritarian measurement A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims. is absolutely not the same thing as "stricter rules for muslims and enforce immigration laws as theyre written" --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 1:44:32 PM #70 | Mal_Fet posted... I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? I followed the links and didn't see anything about immigration. The way they said they constructed authoritarian is: my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | I'm not into rap all dat much but dat Bodak Yellow by Cardi B is lit AF |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 12:21:31 PM #11 | electricbugs2 posted... Lol you can tell from this topic people still dislike her because of Love and Hip Hop. Petty. because people don't think it's good or some other reason? idc about any of that at all myself --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | I'm not into rap all dat much but dat Bodak Yellow by Cardi B is lit AF |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 12:09:00 PM #3 | naw --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Emmy Awards Match All-Time Low Of 2016 With 11.4M Viewers; Hits Demo Low |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 11:06:29 AM #31 | Gheb posted... The Emmy's have had declining ratings pretty much year-over-year but not at any more than broadcast TV overall has. yeah that's pretty much my thought its like saying the big bang theory is a failure because less people watch it than watched friends --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | What does the Republican party stand for? |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 10:46:36 AM #29 | low taxes --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Remember when everyone hated Walmart? |
| Balrog0 09/20/17 10:10:19 AM #32 | Veggeta X posted... pinky0926 posted...And I don't know where you get the idea that everyone is ok with Amazon Well, everyone except state and local politicians that keep suing them for sales tax money. That's not really Amazon-specific though --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:59:15 PM #22 | averagejoel posted... that's a great start I dont think you have a clear idea of what youre advocating for or what the situation currently is --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:50:11 PM #17 | averagejoel posted... no, CEOs make money from other peoples' labour. uh, no, they work and get paid like everyone else they do get lucrative options, but many workers also get 401ks which tie their economic interests to capital as well --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:47:27 PM #13 | the sick and disableds and stay at home moms all of course get no say whatsoever except, you know, from each to each so they magically do cuz the proletariat bro --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:45:59 PM #12 | averagejoel posted... the people who do the work like my CEO? he trades his labor for money. all of the managers do actually --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:44:26 PM #10 | averagejoel posted... current system < minimum wage increase <<<<<<<< universal basic income <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< (etc.) controlled economy run by and for the workers who tf are "the workers"??? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Universal Health care I get but universal basic income is a joke |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:32:25 PM #2 | yer a joke universal health care is much more wasteful --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | joey biden hates UBI |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:24:04 PM #48 | you just said that --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | joey biden hates UBI |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:22:35 PM #46 | fenderbender321 posted... Because prices adjust and wash out the effect. imagine thinking that prices are perfectly elastic and that everyone would spend their money on the same basket of goods such that it would perfectly cancel out the effect of the additional money in their pocket --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | joey biden hates UBI |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:03:37 PM #34 | BLAKUboy posted... I love how all the arguments against UBI have to completely ignore the huge impact automation is already having. Jobs are already disappearing as machines get more advanced, and it's only going to get worse. It's already impossible for a good chunk of people to "make their own way" because the jobs simply aren't there. We need an answer for that, and that answer is not "But bootstraps!" there is a theoretical argument that automation will open up new jobs: https://qz.com/904285/the-optimists-guide-to-the-robot-apocalypse/ but yeah the empirical evidence is not there: http://www.nber.org/papers/w23285 --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | joey biden hates UBI |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 4:00:34 PM #33 | no he wants us to work with the grease from our elbows and the sweat from our brows --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | joey biden hates UBI |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 3:56:36 PM #30 | the older I get the more silly that kinda thinkin' sounds --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | in case you didn't see it buried in whatever topic I mentioned it on this board |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 3:51:00 PM #20 | Tezlok posted... it was just a warning from my dad lol alright --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | If I give you a penny for your thoughts and you give me your two cents, where'd |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 3:49:40 PM #2 | how did you get your original penny? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | anyone on CE that everyone loves? |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 3:30:43 PM #6 | no, there is no one --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | A female coworker just showed me most of her IM, DMs and MSGs |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 3:25:15 PM #28 | I don't like when women are thirsty for me so I assume women don't like it when men are thirsty for them --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | "Wage slavery" |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:41:48 PM #5 | Muffinz0rz posted... But like, what is he even talking about? Is he saying people shouldn't get money for working? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value#Karl_Marx --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | DSP is going to jail for tax evasion |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:38:55 PM #115 | Gheb posted... So just to reiterate what the other CPAs in the topic has said, you should really consult a tax professional before you start taking business expenses. Even if you aren't going to retain their services for tax prep every year. You should still try to at least get a good understanding of what you need to be doing. screw you eggheads, the move is just to be poor enough that it doesn't matter --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | When did freestyle rapping became known as spitting bars? |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:22:36 PM #10 | QwelzaarKane posted... Later on it changed to mean improv rapping. it doesn't refer to just freestyling lol --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | IMAGINE if this GIRL was your CO-WORKER!! |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:21:38 PM #5 | what does this woman do? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | they are still writing articles about gamergate |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:08:39 PM #14 | averagejoel posted... Balrog0 posted...averagejoel posted...maybe if gamers weren't so sensitive that women want to play video games this wouldn't still be a thing that explains why it was a thing 3 years ago --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | France doesn't allow certain things at the swimming pool... |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:04:08 PM #3 | cuz they racis' --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | they are still writing articles about gamergate |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 2:02:18 PM #12 | Veggeta X posted... You guys would have given her a good review on her game too if she was willing to fuck you. idk what gamergate is about tbh I just thought it was weird she's doing a book tour about it --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | they are still writing articles about gamergate |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 1:59:09 PM #9 | averagejoel posted... maybe if gamers weren't so sensitive that women want to play video games this wouldn't still be a thing there doesn't seem to be evidence of that --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | Old people needs to be retested for their drivers' license at age 65 |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 1:53:47 PM #12 | Nomadic View posted... It's fine. Age discrimination is fine if it can be justified for health reasons. There's a constitutional case on this very issue of a police department that required its officers to retire from patrol duty at a certain age (I think it was 65). This discrimination was held constitutional because of the health risks associated with older people and the inherit dangerousness of police work. that's employment law, which is its own thing although I'm pretty sure the same logic could ultimately apply here --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | they are still writing articles about gamergate |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 1:52:47 PM #1 | https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/19/16301682/gamergate-alt-right-zoe-quinn-crash-override-interview but why, ce? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
| Topic | States rights...unless you're doing liberal commie crap |
| Balrog0 09/19/17 1:49:00 PM #41 | Mal_Fet posted... Because lowballing estimates isn't a thing. Well, yeah, the enormous haircut is one thing but I think the actual provisions prevent it http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/09/14/graham-cassidy-a-closer-look-at-the-medicaid-provisions/ The short-term program funds apparently cannot be used to re-establish Medicaid coverage for those who previously were eligible or, for that matter, for people who once might have been eligible for Medicaid had their states chosen to expand. This is important, since in fact, as CBO has reported in the past, Medicaid is a significantly less costly form of health insurance than private coverage purchased in the commercial market. Instead, states would be limited to commercial insurance solutions and even would be given an option to use the short-term fund to move Medicaid-eligible people into commercial coverage. The short-term fund options include the following: assisting %u201Chigh-risk individuals%u201D to buy health benefits coverage if they lack access to employer coverage; premium stabilization assistance paid directly to insurers; cost-sharing reduction assistance for people enrolled in the individual market; moving Medicaid eligible people into private insurance %u201Cby establishing or maintaining relationships with health insurance issuers to provide such coverage;%u201D and, creating %u201Ccoverage programs%u201D for individuals who are not eligible for Medicaid assistance or child health assistance under the state plan%u201D (§ 106(b)(4) as proposed). I guess "coverage programs" could mean single payer --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. |
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