Lurker > LaManoNeraII

Like I said, come back to reality. The majority of Americans will fully support Bidens stance on Hamas and support of Israel. For him to NOT take this hardline stance against Hamas and Russia would be political suicide and would weaken the USs geopolitical power. That is how real politics work. World leaders are not getting their education and Intel from TikTok and Reddit

Kradek posted...

ISIS has conquered parts of Iraq and Syria with 33k deaths attributed to them as well as their intentional destruction of historical artifacts.

If Hamas had the capability to fully invade Israel they wouldnt hesitate. Now is the chance to dismantle Hamas before they become big enough to engulf whole countries and enact terror attacks outside of their own borders. And it shouldve been done even sooner than this so so many innocent Palestinians wouldnt get caught in the crossfire.

Biden knows this, which is why he is giving Israel all the support it needs, so Americans dont have to get their hands dirty. Just the same as with Ukraine and Russia. Im personally against such cynical diplomacy. I think a full on international coalition of peace keeping forces and humanitarian programs should be in Gaza but that will never happen. US and EU will never get their hands dirty, like I already said

Zikten posted...

What makes Hamas worse than ISIS?

You seriously dont know of anything they did on October 7th? And youre unaware of the heinous, evil quagmire theyve turned Gaza into over the past 20 years? Israel didnt do that, Hamas did that. They make the lives of Palestinians a living hell and have brain washed children into being literal and willing shields for them. Those children arent taught math and science in school, theyre taught to be martyrs.

DnDer posted...

This is a take.

Im sorry?

Hamas are terrorists. Worse than ISIS and Al Qaeada even. Biden has said it repeatedly as has his State Department and all of our allies. It would be absolute political suicide for an American president to not maintain a hardline stance on Hamas. Obama didnt blink once when it came to Bin Laden or ISIS. Hilary wouldnt have either. Get real

You're out of your mind if you think the average Joe American cares about the Middle East. Let alone simping for Islamic terrorists. Biden is going to maintain the stance of "Hamas must be eradicated" and the average American will simply reply "hell ya"

Zikten posted...

But no rights for Palestinians

Many Palestinians live happily in Israel.
And apparently it was Palestinian citizens who traveled to and from Israel with work visas who provided Hamas with intel to plan their October 7th attack. Now they very well couldve been unwitting accomplices, Im not calling them spies

Ricemills posted...

Iirc the last poll was 56% voting for Netanyahu removal and he was facing trials for his corruption allegations.

Then the terrorist attack conveniently happen.

Im no fan of Netanyahu and I hope he faces justice for his corruption. Hes as bad as Trump. But I hope youre not suggesting this was a false flag

Israel is a democracy, with rights for women, LGBT, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, freedom of education. Theres a reason western nations are supporting them. Hamas is a terrorist group whose sole mandate is death to Israel, death to the US. They are allied with other terrorist organizations and funded by Iran, another enemy to the US and ruled by hardcore Muslim fundamentalists who dont believe in any of there rights we have in the west. They are not freedom fighters

If the west didnt fund the Iron Dome, there would be millions of dead Israelis and Palestinians

Bok Choi is very healthy, like all leafy greens.

I just buy the bag of power greens at the grocery store, it has bok Choi and a lot of other greens in it and make a salad. Cooked veggies are gross to me, I like them raw and wriggling

The books do mention some ents getting burned by Sarumans works. It just made the ents more mad. And in the books the ents and trees diverted rivers to flood Isengard (not breaking a dam like the movies) so that helps with not getting caught on fire.

Ricemills posted...

My disappointment in LotR movies is that the wizards doesn't do wizardly things like casting fireball or thunderbolt.

Gandalf does both in the books when he fights the Nazgl on Weathertop. Strider and the hobbits can see the smoke and lightning from miles away

gu-gohan posted...

I think, some people here are way too invested in this and overlook some aspects. People, who are against Hamas and were shocked by the events that took place from 1.5 weeks ago understood, that Israel had to react. They way they reacted is questionable, no doubt about that, and I wished they would have done it differently. So even if it is hard to understand to some people here, I can say, that you can be against Hamas but also against mass-attacking the Palestinians in Gaza at the same time. That's why it is best to stay as calm and rational about what happens there while trying to avoid demonizing one group more than the other. Maybe some people here live in internet echo chambers, I don't know, but most people in real life I have spoken to see it the way I described above.

Youre posting this in a topic about fake news. Did we forget what the OP is about?
Israel did not bomb a hospital and kill 500+ people and news sites have already had to backtrack their headlines. You all are propagating fake news from a terrorists organization. A terrorist organization that would happily wage war in the US once they got done eradicating Israel, no less

Shadow_Don posted...

He's not ignoring them.

He's saying they all are Hamas and/or share responsibility for Hamas. Because he's a genocidal maniac that should be removed from the site.

Im saying Hamas will not accept a two state solution and that Palestine will be far safer if Hamas was destroyed rather than if Israel was destroyed. And literally every nation in the west thinks so, which is why they all are supporting Israel and not Hamas.

And the only people who should be banned are the anti Semites who refuse to condemn the constant terrorists attacks they face every day. If America didnt constantly replenish the Iron Dome there would be far more dead Israelis than 1500. Its revolting how you all just ignore that

TheNextLink posted...

You have been poorly misled, LaMan. Sorely disappointed in you.

Our exchanges should have remained on NGG. This has greatly changed my outlook on you.

I dont allow my ideals to make me sympathize with and support a genocidal terrorist organization, just because the media and other leftists want to label them the underdog or anti-imperialist. If you think by facilitating the actions of Hamas and similar groups will advance the cause of western progressivism, then you are absolutely delusional.

Western ideals, whether progressive or conservative, are absolutely not compatible with the Islamic rule groups like Hamas want to spread. They are fundamentally anti-Semetic and anti-America. Their goal is the DESTRUCTION of Israel and the United States and they have killed countless innocents to make it happen. And theyve become masters at weaponizing our own empathy and democratic values against us, to paralyze us against their actions and let their hate and violence spread unimpeded.

Hamas and similar groups declared the war long ago and Israel is the first western nation to truly answer it. And if I have to pick sides, Im certainly not siding with the maniacs that lead Hamas and Iran

TheNextLink posted...

Bro, just say you're chill with innocent children being bombed because they happen to be Palestinian. No need to beat around the bush. Not like Israel is facing any consequences. So why would you?

What should the response have been to Hamas killing innocent children?
And may I remind you that the rockets Hamas launches into Israel also land in Gaza and kill innocent Palestinians.

Enclave posted...

The question I keep asking you? It's about an attack that the IDF has admitted to. They blew up refugees evacuating from Northern Gaza along a route the IDF said was safe, this happened and nobody including Israel denies it.

Was it a war crime, terrorism or justified?

The only news I could find on that are two people killed by staying in a building outside of the evacuation zone, that was leveled by a strike on a Hamas instillation. IDF did not deliberately target fleeing civilians and youll need to post some proof if you want to make that claim. I can only remind you that Hamas has been deliberately trying to keep civilians from evacuating, whereas Israel has been opening corridors and initiating cease fires to facilitate evacuation. And now we know the US is cooperating in providing them the aid they need.

War sucks, the whole thing makes me sad. Which is why I hope Hamas is dismantled down to their last bullet.

Shadow_Don posted...

He needs to be banned for that in all seriousness

Remind us how Hamas gained power and control of Gaza

ThyCorndog posted...

No no see when Israel bombs Hamas and civilians die, they are killing members of Hamas but the civilians that also die in the explosion are being murdered by Hamas. It makes sense if your brain has enough holes in it

When you see the precision strikes from IDF, you'll see tons of debris in the explosions. Because Hamas facilities are deep underground. The only way to penetrate them is with these powerful ordinances.

So tell us General ThyCorndog, in your military experience what is the better way to dismantle underground bunkers?

TheNextLink posted... Do you support Palestinian Genocide carried out by IDF?

Like when Hamas built irrigation and running water systems in Israel and poured in billions of dollars in aid but Israel dismantled it to build rockets and used the aid money to buy weapons from Iran to fire indiscriminately into Palestinian civilians?

TheNextLink posted...

Do you condemn the actions of IDF or not?

I think Israel has a right to defend themselves and I support the complete dismantling of Hamas, as does our President and Congress

Do you support Hamas?

GranAures posted... Anybody would be hard pressed to find anybody who does not condemn Hamas in this thread.

In what way do you "condemn" them though? You don't support their actions but you're okay that they're allowed to keep doing them

Ya_dun_goofed posted...

I like how he has ignored the mention of usage of drones like we've seen in other current/recent conflicts.

Israel uses drones extensively.

How does this minimize the casualties of Hamas' human shields?

TheNextLink posted...

Man, what the FUCK!?!

I can't believe you're THIS lost in the sauce. You should be better than this.

You still haven't answered the question. What occupation?

IMNOTRAGED posted... Dressing things up behind cowardly rhetoric doesn't change what's happening

Condemning Hamas hiding behind civilian shields is "cowardly rhetoric"?
And you guys were just talking about war crimes?

ThyCorndog posted... Also when Israel blows up Palestinians it's actually Hamas killing the civilians but Israel is also simultaneously killing Hamas

Do you condemn the actions of Hamas or not?

GranAures posted...

Man, if only there was a more measured and targeted response. But instead we get "how dare you not support Israel killing the human shields."

Are you saying you'd handle this situation better than top military commanders and strategists from Israel and the US?

ThyCorndog posted...

Israel is in fact murdering civilians, just like Hamas does

Hamas murdered those civilians by deliberately putting them in a war zone, as shields to "protect" legitimate military targets. Do I need to remind you already that Israel has given civilians nearly a week now to evacuate? Has initiated cease fires to open up evacuation corridors for them? But Hamas has done everything in their power to prevent that evacuation? Including bombing civilian caravans?

ZaruenKosai posted...

stop the bullshit, your obviously shilling now

What occupation? Why can't you answer the question?

TheNextLink posted...

End the occupation, simply. Israel has all the control here.

What occupation?

IMNOTRAGED posted...

I don't know but murdering a bunch of civilians is definitely not the answer, neither morally nor tactically if your actual aim is to take down Hamas.

Israel is not murdering civilians. They are striking military targets and Hamas leadership. Hamas hide these things behind civilians, ensuring that Palestinians suffer for them.

So just to be clear:
Israel can't write off civilian deaths from Hamas deliberately using them as shield during war.
All the civilians killed on October 7th can be written off, to keep the "peace"

ThyCorndog posted...

So let me get this straight - this is a war so civilian casualties are acceptable but also Hamas isn't a legitimate sovereign entity so war crimes are also acceptable? That's essentially what I got from the Israel shills reading the last 150 posts

So let me get this straight- civilian deaths in the dismantling of a terrorist organization that deliberately uses civilians as a shield can't be written off as collateral damage, but the deaths of the civilians killed by the terrorists can be?

If you condemn Hamas and their war crimes, then what should be the consequences of their actions? How do you stop them from doing it again?

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Dude, the one thing I will say is that just because your enemy hides behind human shields, that doesnt mean you ignore them.

Do you condemn the act of deliberately populating military instillations with civilians or not? Its literally a war crime

VFalcone posted...

As of today there are 1,400-1,500 dead in Israel since the attack. You are straight up lying. Why are you lying?

As of today, almost 4,000 Palestinians are dead.

Why are you using figures from Hamas?

And why are you blaming dead Palestinians on Israel and not Hamas?

hockeybub89 posted...

There are already far-right terrorists hiding throughout America. I guess @Tom_Joad will support Joe Biden blowing up millions of innocent people across the country in the noble fight to end weaponized hate.

We didnt have to blow up millions of Americans to arrest the hundreds of terrorists who attacked the capital, killed 4 people, and attempted to assassinate two government officials.

Just the same that Israel has not had to blow up millions of people to kill several Hamas leaders and destroy over 300 Hamas facilities.

If you want to make the argument more clear, why dont you outline specifically what the military of a sovereign nation is allowed to do and not allowed to do to combat constant attacks from a terrorist organization whos sole mandate is the death of all your people.

hockeybub89 posted...

There are already far-right terrorists hiding throughout America. I guess @Tom_Joad will support Joe Biden blowing up millions of innocent people across the country in the noble fight to end weaponized hate.

So it went from 100k dead civilians to millions?

GranAures posted...

Because it is only one of the other, right? Either kill orders of magnitude more innocent civilians or let the bad guys win, no in between. Either let Israel bomb Palestinians without complaint or let Hamas commit the next holocaust, no in between.

And guess what permitting and excusing the widescale death of Palestinians is going to do:

How would you prevent Hamas from killing more people without dismantling the resources, weapons, and personnel they use to kill people?

Shadow_Don posted...

You're not even engaging.

Obviously he would prefer Hamas to surrender. That isn't going to happen because we live in reality and not your fantasy.

The actual question is whether or not potentially 100k or more civilian casualties is worth rooting out Hamas. And the answer to that question should be a resounding no.

Israel has already killed several Hamas leaders, including those who led the terrorist attack last week. Theyve struck over 300 Hamas facilities. Where are the 100k+ dead Palestinians?

The Allies killed MILLIONS of civilians to dismantle Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Killing civilians is wrong, but would letting the Axis continue its genocide and world conquest to avoid that have been right?

ClayGuida posted...

I mean he literally posts as if this clash only started on October 7th 2023.

Oh Im well aware Hamas has been attacking Israel for decades.

Israel has appeased them that whole time. They traded Hamas prisoners for Israeli hostages, paid ransoms, and dismantled Israeli settlements in Gaza.

But Hamas has continued attacking them, with the most recent attack costing thousands of lives, including Americans. And was the most deadly attack against Jews since the Holocaust.

Do you believe Israel should still appease them? Just ignore it? Or even surrender?
Did you agree with western appeasement of the Nazis?

ClayGuida posted...

Serious question, what is Israel's solution to their current and ongoing occupation? What concessions would they be willing to give up so there could be peace?

The unconditional release of all hostages and the unconditional surrender of Hamas, the terrorists organization that just killed thousands of their citizens and have been launching rockets into their territory indiscriminately for the past week.

What is your solution?

variasuite posted...

lol. Israel has them and of all nations on the planet right now, they, along with Russia pose the greatest threat. Two questionably moral nuclear powers that are at war. I don't know how else to simplify that. No one's saying they're going to use them, but if there's a risk, it's coming from there.

So the risk of nuclear war comes from a country that as far as we know does not have nukes and doesnt routinely launch rockets into other countries.

Whereas we should have no concern with the countries that do have nukes, have threatened to use them based on religious grounds, and routinely fires rockets indiscriminately into countries that their book of fairy tales tells them deserves it?

hockeybub89 posted...

Cool. Everyone here already knows Hamas is bad. Sucks that Israel isn't any better than them.

Hamas wants Israel eradicated and every Jew IN THE WORLD to be killed.

How do you negotiate with them as an Israeli or a Jew?

Enclave posted...

Do you really want to compare which side in this conflict has killed more babies and murdered innocent families over the years? This isn't a comparison that looks particularly good on Israel you know.

Hamas builds their HQ, bunkers, tunnels, and stockpiles in heavily populated civilian areas, including hospitals and schools, to deliberately maximize civilian casualties when Israel attacks them. This is literally a war crime. Do you condone it?

PballDepot posted...

How about calling them war crimes?

Hamas is not a sovereign nation and they themselves are not abiding by the rules of war or any international accords. THEY ARE TERRORISTS

TheNextLink posted...

Hamas was willing to give up all hostages for a cease fire. Israel gave the middle finger and launched missiles.

What does that say about them and the value of those hostages?

What reality did this happen?

Because in this reality, Israel said they would resume power to Gaza if the hostages were released. Hamas did not release hostages. And Israel still restored power.

Anyway, they have the receipts

https://x.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1714431902373892400?s=20

Anymore proof uncovered showing Israel is responsible?

ClayGuida posted...

Defend it all you want, it's a barbaric statement to make that shows not a single ounce of care or compassion for innocent lives. If that's cool with you, so be it. It's deplorable to every sane, rational human being though.

Its barbaric to use civilians as a shield for your ethnic cleansing and terrorism. Its equally barbaric to defend those actions as well, which is what youre doing.

You apparently want peace, but Hamas doesnt. Whats your solution?

variasuite posted...

I literally thought that right after I hit post message.

Correction:

Ask Netanyahu or Putin.

When did Israel threaten anyone with nukes? Or even admit to having any?

Because I can remember more than one Muslim nation that has publicly threatened Israel with nuclear annihilation

TheNextLink posted...

Bro got 40 followers. lmfao, probably using old footage from some other attack

Its footage from Al Jazeeras livestream, you can find the whole stream for yourself if you want to.

Meanwhile your proof that Israel deliberately targeted this hospital is where?

The Iron Dome doesn't intercept in Gaza. And why would it make a difference in the first place? Is Israel obligated to let missiles kill their citizens so the rockets that terrorists launch to kill them don't accidentally kill Palestinians (who the terrorists also don't care about)?

Anyway, more evidence:

https://twitter.com/thesamy22/status/1714385509168845306?t=HsE1g_DK5boTj6I37ldoZQ&s=19

I think mice are super kawaii
^_____^

And I've never seen one in my house because I don't live like I'm a Fallout survivor

How many different women do you guys slap your noodle to in a year? Actually, just in a week
%__%

Revelation34 posted...

Where?

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390254935851272?s=20

And to add, Hamas deliberately stockpiles weapons and ordnance in hospitals and schools as well as their HQs, bunkers, tunnels, and rocket batteries. If civilians are ever killed in strikes against Hamas infrastructure, it's because Hamas deliberately put them there. Which is the very definition of evil.