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masterpug53 posted...

Sadly, I think it's pretty clear at this point that the more Sam Jackson's Nick Fury is in the spotlight, the less cool and interesting he becomes. His best work over the last five years worth of movies turned out to be Talos imitating him, lol.

Unless theres anything else to suggest it. I think the only

Talos Fury we ever truly see is in Spider-Man: Far From Home.

You talk about your own wants when looking for relationships a lot in this topic. Which is fine. But just because you and very specific wants. Doesnt mean anything in the grand scheme of who matches with who. I just dont think we should be drawing any conclusions based on what your specific dealbreakers were.

Also, again. This isnt just about sex. Casual dating is pretty broad to include anyone dating multiple people at once. Which is how I would define myself right now, but again. The opportunity that I wouldnt date someone looking for a serious commitment is false to me.

Also the bloodthirsty comment was used to describe how badly you wanted to win the statistics argument, like it is your entire career depended on it. You got so focused the minutia of the data, you lost sight of the point and really tried to hammer home that you think you won it. It was ugly, messy and bloodthirsty. And I really disagree with how you tried to spin the data and missed that point. Idk how we have broadened that to saying you arent empathetic or understanding about mens issues but lets not do that.

bsp77 posted...

That's fair except your initial post was "Are the usual suspects gonna show up and try and argue the woman actually has it worse."

This heavily implies that men have it worse and also seems to be a comment about dating overall vs simply getting dates. You can say that you didn't say that, but since we all know that simply getting dates is harder for men, there was no need for that disclaimer unless you really believe men have it worse overall.

I could see how it could be construed that way. But when its about this one specific thing. More often than not, even when talking about the numbers being stacked against men. People continue to argue that the woman still has it when it comes to having better odds.

So are these FwB situations? I promise I am not judging or trying to catch you in an "aha" moment. Legitimately curious. I bug other people with these questions too. I feel almost everyone here already knows that I used to be married and am engaged again.

Yeah some could be defined that way.

No one is dismissing men's issues. Insisting you have it "worse than women" I have stated over and over again is a worthless battle because who has it worse is IRRELEVANT when discussing people who are miserable. I even stated even IF you could prove that it doesn't really change anything.

The only instance of stating men have it worse than women thus far Ive stated in this topic is showing a disparity online dating and the challenge men face isnt one women face.

And yes. Making it a whole who has it worse discussion overall obscures the whole point and gets us nowhere and Ive never entertained this notion at all for one second in this topic.

Why are you incapable of discussing problems men have without comparisons to the other gender?

because the one issue Ive really discussed in this topic is one thats wildly disproportionate between men and women and it is important to talk about that difference and recognize it as it is. I wouldnt assume youre incapable of having anything else to say. What a ridiculous thing to say here.

Then you aren't part of the pool seeking a committed relationship.

Youre making a lot assumptions and leaps, and just like youre trying to argue the data doesnt support my claim. Just because Im not seeking it, doesnt mean its not something that isnt going to happen. It very much could.

And just like that, the data isnt as you chose to define it. Its a very complex group of people in the same pool. And you are spending way too much time getting lost in the specifics of it.

You pointed the finger at women. We pointed out that it's outrageous. You're right we can't get anywhere because explaining it to you is like talking to a wall.

You dont need to explain male issues to a man. Ive tried to get you to see how our issues affect us and how the lack of options present different challenges for men that arent considered by women. You completely rejected all of that and straight up ignored it.

NoxObscuras posted...

But I'll reiterate, I said that people wouldn't give you such a hard time if you were just frustrated at your lack of success and venting or asking for advice.

you think CE wouldnt give anyone a hard time for venting?

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All things being said I appreciate that you have the ability to see both sides more objectively than others.

I dont know how I can make it any clearer that the stats were just used to show a disparity and they were never used to show compatibility, They dont show people who arent going to work because one wants kids and the other doesnt

smh

bsp77 posted...

If I had started this topic, I would have simply called out the disparity with getting matches between men and women while still acknowledging that women have it hard with dating as well, but in different ways. You didn't do that.

You honestly shouldnt have to have a disclaimer that women have issues too when talking about mens issues. The inverse doesnt fly when women talk about their issues,

Which I did btw, even though thats not really the subject of this topic. I know yall are trying to catch me in some redpill shit. I dont subscribe to those mentalities but I also dont subscribe to the idea we need to frame every male issue in a dismissive way to ward against the most toxic participants.

And are you dating or in a relationship? Most of us are open about our lives.

Im seeing a few people casually but Im not dating atm.

Prestoff posted...

Yeah, I'm just saying TC the issue why CE reacts the way they do regarding "datting app" topics like this is that many people who say stuff like "men have it harder" tend to make posts like those out of bad faith just to start shit. If that wasn't your intention, you're not doing a good job showing it with how argumentative your posts have been. I would chip in, but I would be singing the same song I always do in these topics.

Yes CE definitely argues against hypothetical boogeymen that arent even in the topics.

I mean the finger pointing is outrageous and you cant get anywhere in these.

NoxObscuras posted...

It's one thing if you're frustrated at your own lack of success when dating and you want to vent or ask for advice. But when you make a topic just ranting about how unfair things are for men, then yeah you're gonna get shit for that. It's toxic and it serves no purpose other than to just be angry about perceived slights.

Like, what is the goal of this topic?

I mean literally in your very own post you couldnt help yourself from assuming Im frustrated and lack success and thats the only reason to talk about this. And you think the toxic one for bringing it up.

and you wonder why its important to have these discussions

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The and / or doesnt matter because the numbers themselves are general dating statistics and not dating app specific. The people on dating apps are all single people in the same pool and it doesnt MATTER what theyre looking for. They still all have the potential to match and date. the numbers dont define who can and cant date, and no matter how hard you try, you cant get the numbers to say that.

The numbers just show a disparity. Which all they were ever brought into this argument to show. and again, getting so far into the weeds and trying to obscure them based on such irrelevant metrics is extremely disingenuous and its a very desperate way to try and spin the data.

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It was never about that and its annoying how this hasnt registered.

Also stop trying to cite logical fallacies. You first claimed I was moving the goal posts when this debate began regarding tinder (see your own topic title.) and you tried to swap it for "dating as a whole".

This literally right here is moving the goalposts. Im not swapping anything for dating as a whole. I used general statistics to say the numbers are against men and stand to reason that they imply there would be less available women on the apps to begin with. The statistics dont show the numbers on the app, and I didnt try to hide the fact they were general dating statistics. Thats literally. All. It. Was.

IMHO, you got so sidetracked and bloodthirsty because you saw statistics enter the arguments you completely lost focus and went off the deep end. You tried really hard for a gotcha. Its pretty apparent this is thing you think youre really good at it. And I just dont see the evidence of that in this topic if something this simple has escaped you so clearly.

KanWan posted...

You dipped into arguing over empirical evidence along the way so I dont totally agree with you, and I dont agree empirical evidence is the be all end all for any and all points.. especially things concerning social strata. Something being sound and true is exactly just that, just a fact towards a larger discussion.

Your first paragraph lost me tbh.

But we agree on the point of the data. It was never used to be the be all end all. It was just showing the numbers of what men are up against on average, its an uphill battle from the start. It was a general point in an overall discussion. I think I made that pretty clear in the beginning and through all this extra silliness.

Is that accidental or are you trying to quote TLC on purpose?

A lot of reasons.

It took a great storyline in the comics and fumbled the bag hard.

A show about shape shifting aliens. Using the spy characters from marvel. It didnt tell a paranoid espionage thriller story. It didnt do anything interesting with the idea that characters we know could have been Skrull the whole time. There wasnt one single reveal that was interesting.

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No, its never been about who has it worse. Its about being able to talk about mens issues without womens issues getting thrown on top like its a pissing contest. Mens issues always get immediately dismissed, its evident in this topic. Womens issues are used to distract from the issues men face. And even the benefits women have are not acknowledged, hell, those are even spun to death that theyre actually disadvantages.

Also when this side desperately tries to label anyone who debates this as a redpill /incel and just super childish shit like this is your tinder history and you cant find matches and youre angry

Again, youll see no surprise here when they investigate their behaviour in this topic and see nothing wrong with it. Classic CE gaslighting.

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I definitely didnt say men have it harder in every face of dating? Come off it.

Why is this topic over 350 posts if everyone new this. Yall created this circus and definitely didnt respond well to this information. Clearly.

Will_VIIII posted...

So what are you blaming specifically for your lack of matches

Stop trying to make this about me. There is a lot of weak shit on this side of the debate and thats just childish.

Glob posted...

Dude, youve been completely owned and everybody can see it but you.

The people not on my side arent going to admit this user failed to spin the data and embarrassed herself?

Colour me shocked.

archedsoul posted...

Yeah, dating is pretty stacked against dudes nowadays, especially if you're not white.

Say what now

Sweet Jesus.

I knew there had to be a defined fallacy in how you argue.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

You always do this when you start losing debates. I see it so often and thats precisely why I try not to engage with you, I know exactly how its going to end. Some of the worst verbal diarrhoea and distraction techniques Ive ever seen. Which is absolutely done on purpose to mask the point youve lost and wear out the other person.

The exhausting part of it definitely works, but its absolutely not clouding the reality that you lost the point very clearly. I dont need to say anything else I havent already said. You just get it all out and work out those demons, you dont need me for that.

youre 100% right. Its here in black and white.

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SwayM posted...
You are trying very hard and claiming I didnt read it, yet:

Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.

You attempted to spin the data using the percentage of all single men and women across all age brackets. Also tried to dismiss the younger age brackets, the one most relevant to this discussion.

Beyond that. You also failed to grasp the actual important stat being recognized here. Single and looking men vs women, and that massive disparity is very relevant to this discussion.

And then you think getting into the weeds about casual vs committed is somehow going to change the data in your favour. It didnt.

You tried to spin the statistics, you werent successful. Im sorry. And yeah I mean it makes total sense why you would be so extra be as verbose as possible. You are very much trying to prove yourself here but the harder youre try the worse it looks.

I got you in checkmate (said 3 times) and that story is some of the more desperate and cringey shit Ive seen on this board. If this is your job, I would be embarrassed too if I swung and missed on a very simple point being madeand then kept digging.

Zapp cautiously stepping onto the planet and immediately trying to blast the scientist that greets him damnit in out of laser!

killed me.

Dumb video game nerds quantifying games in terms of gameplay loop

Literally reducing the fun and enjoyment of their entertainment down to the most pessimistic and depressing terms.

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See you dont. Because youre so off the mark it isnt funny.

Lets rewind.

You said: women are being driven off the apps.
I said: Thats heresy. Here is some data shows a literal difference in the size of the potential dating pools between the sexes.

Thats why data was brought into this discussion.

You, then tried to twist the data and misinterpret it it from every available opportunity henceforth.

You took the wrong figures from the data and said it didnt support my conclusion. I countered with the actual figures in black and white, which had you read a little rather down you would have seen. I once again was using the data correctly to prove my point.

then you tried to change the goalposts. Making it about causal vs committed. And again. That never once changed the point I was making and why the data was brought into this discussion.

The actual point, which the data continues to prove again and again no matter how you try to change it. There are only 30% available women to 50% available men. Men are going to have a harder time dating on or off the apps no matter which way you try and slice it or how hard you spin the data.

Seriously. Again. I do this for a living.

Yikes.

Glob posted...

And of course, the fact that youre so clearly right is why everybody is jumping to your defence and arguing against her.

Oh wait

This argument went on for 80 posts before I posted into it today lol

COVxy posted...

Do you think there's a disparity between men and women in whether they are looking for casual hookups vs serious relationships?

The data doesnt define casual as hookups btw. It specifies
Committed and romantic relationship only and
casual dates

That doesnt sound to me like hookups. I think it could. just mean dating multiple people at once vs having one serious relationship.

I dont think in the grand scheme of this discussion its really matters to be super granular about what exactly someone is trying to get out of the relationship, even if it is casual sex.

Im ignoring you because you chose to ignore the point of the data and instead chose to misrepresent it based on a metric that absolutely doesnt matter for one second in this discussion. No one but you seems to care if someone is interested in a relationship or something casual. It literally doesnt matter. It doesnt change anything. The only reason you care, is you think it changes the data. It doesnt. The discussion is about actively dating, the rest is splitting hairs like I said before.

Its very transparent. Thats something you do in almost every argument Ive seen you in. Even when youre proven wrong with stone cold facts, you try and change the goalposts. And since I dont respect the way you argue so Im not going to further waste my time with you. The only thing youre embarrassing is yourself.

andel posted...

no, your argument has been that men have it so bad and you backpedaled into claiming your argument was only about one specific age bracket when your own statistics destroyed your narrative. guess what? your own statistics still destroy your attempted narrative since the majority of men in the specific age bracket don't want a relationship according to your own stats lmao

Yall. You literally just have to read the statistics. Youre wrong. Its easy to accept that.

Among Americans who are single, the largest share 57% say they are not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates.

A little more than half of single people say theyre not looking. However, this stat is including all genders and age groups, btw.

Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.

This has been posted before but needs to be posted again apparently because of a lack of understanding. Half of the single men are looking.

but this next part further proves you wrong about the age brackets.

Younger singles are also more likely than older singles to say they are currently looking for dates and/or a relationship. Some 57% of unpartnered adults under 50 say this, compared with 36% of those 50 to 64 and 16% of those 65 and older.

The majority of young adult men are looking for a relationship.

Please stop embarrassing yourself by misunderstanding or trying to falsify the information. You dont have to dig yourself into a bigger hole.

Now if you wanted to argue the amount of single people looking for relationships is decreasing across the board, the evidence does show that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/7/AAB3ooAAEtlX.jpg

For women the difference is negligible. For men its a fairly sharp decline. Imho I might attribute this to men being more frustrated with the dating experience. But thats open to interpretation.

YouTubers are doing it to their own videos now. I literally just clicked to watch this Dark Souls challenge run. But right at the beginning he made like an clip montage of the important gear he grabbed and a few major bosses being beat

1 hour and a half long video. I probably would have watched the whole thing if he didnt just show me all the major things that were going to happen.

ai123 posted...

What is it supposed to show me apart from the fact that this woman was better at filtering out unsuitable matches for herself than that man?

Or that a man can get hundreds of matches and dozens of chats on a dating app?

Yeah, that is kind of the general point of the topic. On average women will have a much easier time filtering out matches based on the options available to them.

I mean you could also look at the amount of time spent on the app too. She spent 2 and 1/2 months and got a couple hundred matches. vs his 2 and 1/2 years to get 500.

I could save yall some time who really wanna challenge these numbers decide something. If they arent the proof you need to see the disparity between men and women then so be it. Its not going to be the end of the discussion or the world for me. Its just one example, thats all it is.

Dark_Arbron posted...

I didnt accuse you of having an alt. I was more implying that the kind of posts youre making are the sort that an old bought/hacked account that spreads incel propaganda would agree with, even if you had nothing to do with it.

Look Im not gonna pretend I even know who or what youre talking about.

But for the love of god stop caring about karma and active posts. It couldnt mean any less and trying to discredit people for it is childish.

If you have a problem with the person behind the account. Just say that. Leave the irrelevant metrics out of it.

NoxObscuras posted...

It's not kicking him while he's down. It rewards people that actually spend time checking profiles and being picky. This algorithm isn't new, it's been known for years. So if guys still do this and get frustrated, then that's on them. Literally, if he swiped left more, he'd be getting more matches.

source: https://www.vox.com/2019/2/7/18210998/tinder-algorithm-swiping-tips-dating-app-science

The app is a money grab. We all know this. Its designed to make you desperate to buy into it.

Dark_Arbron posted...

And hes being backed up by a 2012 account with 63 karma and 87 active posts.

Hmm

Ferroseed posted...

getting strong "i am the dude" feelings from this one

For the record Im not dating and I dont have alts. Yall get real ugly over the silliest shit.

If you want to be hateful. God, I can think of so many better outlets.

StealThisSheen posted...

So, in other words, you came in with an agenda, found numbers that meet said agenda, and refuse to back down or apply any actual logic.

Got it.

And what do we call baseless hypotheticals in a vain attempt to attack this dude?

Thats an ugly ass agenda fam.

StealThisSheen posted...

You don't see how these two statements conflict? Really?

How do you know the numbers are bullshit if you don't know the guy? How do you know there isn't a specific reason that has to do with him, specifically, for why he isn't getting matches? How do you know he doesn't have something in his profile or his picture that is specifically causing this?

I guess if it makes you sleep better imaging some swamp beast to justify these numbers then fuck em, right. but I feel for this dude and I think this sort of thing happens to most average guys.

StealThisSheen posted...

Because the dude fucked up the algorithms himself by swiping on nearly every single profile. It's incredibly unlikely that he did it in response to not getting matches, based on the sheer number, which means he was doing it from the beginning. That's literally saying that you don't care who they are, what they like, how much they have in common with you, whatever, and that as long as you don't hate how they look, you'll swipe on anyone. You're clearly not looking for a meaningful connection.

Some people dont read bios, most women dont even have bios in my experience. Not that that really matters because theres absolutely no good way to gauge someones personality on tinder, the connection is based almost always on looks on Tinder.

This dude is saying hes not picky when it comes to looks and tinder id saying try harder ya fucking looser.

Who gives a shit why hes on it or what hes looking for. We dont know this guy. But what I know for sure is these numbers are bullshit and if the algorithms are fucking him harder for it, its a brutal world out there for a dude.

Glob posted...

Because thats also how people work. Nobody wants to be with somebody who doesnt give a fuck who theyre with.

Youve had this explained to you multiple times by people who dont struggle, but you absolutely refuse to accept that they might have some idea what theyre talking about.

And Ive explained to you, his swiping data isnt shared to anyone who sees his profile. Youre projecting your own shit here. You dont have a clue.

NoxObscuras posted...

The fact that he right swiped 96% of the time is the problem. You understand that, right? It's well known that Tinder will actually lower the visibility of your profile (aka you won't show up when women are swiping) if you just swipe right one everyone.

That should be the real takeaway from these comparisons. You must be choosy, or the app will punish your account and you'll get less matches anyway. But if you're selective, the apps will start showing you women that fit your tastes.

I already talked about this. Its absolutely not his problem the deck is stacked this far against him and only kicks him while hes down. If hes not picky, he shouldnt have a harder time dating.

The sides some people choose. Unless youre on tinders payroll, the fuck you siding with its algorithms for.

andel posted...

men don't have to resort to online dating either generally. i have never used online dating (installed meetme many years ago but noticed many of the women in my area seemed to be bots). unless you live in a super isolated rural area there are opportunities to meet women and it is much easier to connect with someone if you are around them and can actually get to know them in a less artifical atmosphere

Define easier?

Knowing whos single, looking and remotely interested in you can be a nightmare to navigate.

Unless you live in a big city and the club and bar scene is your thing? Thats not for everyone though.

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I literally laughed out loud how ironic and projecting this is.

You absolutely dont get it.

Have you once in the entirety of your CE life ever not split hairs and understood the point being made?

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You are trying very hard and claiming I didnt read it, yet:

Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.

So half of the men are looking compared to 1/3rd of the females.its still not good odds no matter how hard you try and spin it. All data says there are way less available and looking women vs men. Thats simply all I said:

SwayM posted...

6/10 men are single. Compared to 3/10 female. There are half as many available options in the pool to begin with. It says nothing that women are being driven off the apps and says everything about the hill men have to climb to be successful.

Combine that with the notion of not being on an app. This actually a choice a woman could make and still have a successful dating career. A man making this choice is just climbing an even bigger hill and making his life that much harder.

Look at that. I was talking in generalities here too and making a broad point in response to you wildly claiming women are being driven off the apps. There are less women in the dating pool in general. Thats just reality.

Someone doesnt know what shameless means.

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SMHof course I would highlight the stats of young men vs young women since thats literally this entire subject. The topic is dating apps, its going to be those age ranges predominantly.

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Simultaneously ignoring my points and pointing a finger that its horny men begging for sex thats the problem and driving them away from the apps. This isnt evidence, answers, nor is it healthy dialogue. Im not wondering why the pool is shrinking. Ive been pointing out its a rigged game from the start.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/

6/10 men are single. Compared to 3/10 female. There are half as many available options in the pool to begin with. It says nothing that women are being driven off the apps and says everything about the hill men have to climb to be successful.

Combine that with the notion of not being on an app. This actually a choice a woman could make and still have a successful dating career. A man making this choice is just climbing an even bigger hill and making his life that much harder.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Think of dating as growing a garden. The desired end result is a healthy crop.

Men are working with decent soil and sunlight, but don't have a good water source.

Women have lousy soil and there's an overgrown canopy making too much shade. They have access to a well and know where to buy good seeds.

Good soil is literally a feeling of security, the idea that they can meet people without immediate potential danger.

Water is the ability to navigate conversation and social norms to start growing the plant,

The seeds are matches, chances to get things started.

Women have no trouble getting bags and bags of seeds. But they try planting them, and they don't take at all. There's no partial fulfilment from that, it's worthless outside of a reassurance that there's potential.

Men have to spend a lot of time looking for seeds. So when they get some, it's a little exciting. It's a chance to take, to finally practice their planting techniques. Not enough to keep you from getting disheartened, but something.

Going from this point, men just need to water their seeds properly to get some real progress. It's hard, and the failures and time spent searching for new seeds is disheartening, but progress is progress.

Women are still hoping some of these seeds will take. They can try a lot of spots hoping to hit the right patches of soil, but they're further from the goal. They will have an easier time than men watering the crop, but getting to that point is a problem. And then they still need to clear some of the brush creating shade that represents their dates chances to be a threat.

Just because a metric is valuable to men doesn't mean it holds objective value in the quality of the scene as a whole.

This is a far better analogy.

But Im not gonna reiterate my points from my last post right now. I may come back to this.

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Youve listed some problems that arent as mutually shared but also not exclusive. Men can have stalkers, be catfished and deal with emotional and physical abuse, these arent things only women deal with. Men match with shitty women all the time who think its a game just to berate them. Especially if hes a short king. We dont have people lying about their intentions with us? Youve never heard of women using men as a free meal for example? You dont think women also arent using men to get laid on tinder?

Women do have issues that men cant fully relate to, and the feeling of safety is one for sure, but for the most part I think men can relate to most of the same headaches of online dating. And I dont think women see the other side at all.

This isnt a pissing contest of whos got the worse dating pool and which is shittier. For men it feels like its an equally Shitty pool, just with far fewer options.

I hear what youre saying. Having more options to you just means potentially more headaches. but what you arent hearing is men put up with and relate to those exact same headaches in many ways, and have a fraction of a fraction of the options to fall back on when it doesnt work.

Think of any one of those matches that were a red flag to you. Now imagine you have no one else. For a dude, those exact same red flags for them wouldnt be the breaking points they are for you. They may still see it through, past the point you would end the relationship. Because they cannot afford to be choosy.

Have you heard of the ick? its a relatively new thing thats predominantly used by women, where they make up examples of things men cant do and are turnoffs. Red flags on a subatomic level really.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2GXCsBM/

heres a good example. Girl says man cant smoke a hookah, adds it to his list. Look at that list. There are literally thousands of videos of things men arent allowed to do or are just turnoffs for women and dudes populate lists like this based off what women are sharing, mostly as a laugh at what dating has become. And why do you think that is? I 100% believe its Because women absolutely have way more options, they can get as molecular as they want in what their preferences are.

Having choices is a luxury. I will continue to argue that as long as I can.

Donomark posted...

I'll throw in my two cents. It often seems like when people discuss the challenges that men experience in modern dating, there seems to be a casual dismissiveness expressed toward those challenges that you generally tend not to see (at least in the mainstream) expressed toward the challenges that women face.

It's almost as if by acknowledging that perhaps there is a domain in which the male experience is either worse, or generally more frustrating, then you are the problem, because women must have it worse, and to entertain otherwise is to be an incel or redpiller.

Well said. I think this is pretty spot on.

My team and I

sounds better to me. Not as boastful. Unless thats really what youre going for.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

You're still missing the point, but you're trying so I'll try to help you understand it.

It's an entirely different ecosystem. A match is a benchmark of progress for men, but it's not for women. Getting matches doesn't mean they're closer to the goal. They have more later steps to take. Think of it in kingdom hearts terms. Women are starting in the morning, men are starting in the evening. Sure, women will have an easier time with early game bosses that are a breeze anyway. But by the time you get to climax of the story, the part where things are challenging but finally rewarding, you've averaged out. And if you're gonna grind for the particularly satisfying postgame optional bosses, the men's advantages are really taking form.

Im honestly not trying to be mean spirited like so many people on CE are. But this may be one of the worst analogies Ive ever seen.

Im one person who absolutely believes in the power of an analogy to drive home a point, but I cant for the life of me see the point youre trying to make. Also why you decided to use kingdom hearts as an example and then use nothing about the game itself and defined it in very general video game terms.