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But it isn't bringing anything to the table for game solving for town.

Oh IGCD is here at least.
IGCD where are you leaning?

I have no idea why you think I'm scum, IGCD. I don't see how that fits with anything. If I am scum, then:
1) Why were you roleblocked D1, but there'd be no RB D2?

2) Why did Chang see me teleport?

3) Why did Death corroborate literally everything I said?

4) Why would I target IGCD with a bus drive when I'm town?

Ergo, if I'm scum, then I'm scum with Chang and Death. Both of them. And does that make any sense to you? It doesn't make any sense to me. There are just too many conditions and those should confirm me town at this point.

Johnny Cage used his fatal blow, which you can cancel the move. If you allow the full animation it is an unblockable. The Kitana decided to jump over Johnny Cage and do her own fatal blow, not realizing Johnny Cage can cancel his fatal blow, and his move can be used to dodge attacks. He canceled and dodged her attack, and had her eat a combo.

It's soap, it's self cleaning.

Which team(s) do you support?

1. Oilers
2. Jets
3. Knights

IGCD, sorry for trying to take a bullet for you. Really wishing I hadn't done that now.

I'll get screenshots for you guys after the game so you can see that literally everything I've done today is 100% true. My flip will show you.

And I'm not more likely to be scum than FD. I'm 100% town and I'm not the one trying to do something dumb out of desperation.

IGCD, sorry for trying to take a bullet for you. Really wishing I hadn't done that now.

Scum isn't fucking shooting into the neighborhood again.

Vanilla Does Nothing
Cop Scans Vanilla
Bus Driver swaps Himself with Cop
Scum Blocker does not exist

In this scenario you think the cop would not receive a night action? I think cop would receive "vanilla is innocent" because not redirected their action away from the vanilla.

And if you change it to "Cop Scans Bus Driver" then the cop should receive "Cop is innocent" because their action got directed onto themselves, but it was still THEIR action.

In no scenario should the bus driver receive "so and so is innocent", just like in no scenario should the bus driver receive "you were roleblocked" on behalf of the cop.

I'd prefer that over myself, obviously, but following it through I'm still not sure what actually happened?

Scum BCT receives a coupon and says "well I'm not gonna use that, but I'll pretend I swapped myself and IGCD and then say I got blocked. That'll look like a thing that really happened, right?" But then who does scum blocker actually block? And what does BCT do instead? And where did the scum kill go?

And if he flips town all we learned is that hosts decided to resolve complex night actions in a way that doesn't feel very intuitive. He's less likely to flip town than I am, I just wish BCT being a liar explained more than it would.

And in that scenario what happens? Cop actually received a result? Because if cop was NOT blocked then the Bus Driver does not RECEIVE the cop's message. The driver doesn't receive "XX is Innocent/Guilty", right? So why would they receive "you were roleblocked"? Clearly they were NOT roleblocked if they bussed the roleblocker over to themselves.

Yes, but what IGCD is saying is that that he (BCT) might be lying because he (BCT) might have assumed that he (IGCD) was going to take another night action tonight and that he (IGCD) would naturally be roleblocked again and so to sell his (BCT's) deception he (BCT) should claim he (BCT) received a roleblock message that would be a result of IGCD's roleblock being swapped onto him (BCT)

When in reality the whole bus driver + roleblock is a paradoxical clusterf*** because of the potential interactions. But BCT receiving a "you were roleblocked message" does not feel like it makes sense for ANY of the scenarios. He's either receiving IGCD's message, who shouldn't have one. Or BCT is receiving his own blocked message, even though the only way the block reaches him is AFTER the teleportation is successful.

But BCT claims that Crescent clarified that a block on the teleport target would result in a block to himself. (Which again, feels wrong)

I still don't see why it would make sense for HIM to receive YOUR roleblock message in the event that you had one.

Imagine a different scenario with a bus driver who isn't bussing themselves.

Vanilla Does Nothing
Cop Scans Vanilla
Bus Driver Swaps Cop and Vanilla
Blocker blocks Cop

You think it makes sense for the Roleblock to happen before the Bus (stopping the cops scan) and then the Vanilla receives a "you were blocked" message?

Even if the Bus fully happened first then the Block would land on the vanilla (who would receive no message) and the cop would scan himself (having not been blocked because the bus directed the block to the vanilla)

That's a big part of my worry. If this was some 5Head play where scum either no killed or targeted me and Isquen is legitimately JK then we could be mislynching on consecutive days. It would be much simpler for me if Isquen is just scum blocker, but that would be really ballsy of scum to pretend to put a block in the neighborhood that just had a watch-ability blow up in their faces.

So either a coincidence double kill on Plum or a no-kill? I just feel like there's some element I'm unaware of that would make this click into place better. Scum should not want to kill me so me being saved by isquen is low probability. They would also have just as much reason to be worried about being seen by Chang based on how day2 went. Scum shouldn't want to kill plum unless they hard read him as power? I guess I'll look through plum's D2 posts and see if there was anything juicy that might have pulled a shot towards him.

Which part is being roleblocked if you get roleblocked?

The part where you take someone's power? Or the part where you use the power? And does it even matter if you're out of uses regardless? Presumably you would have been asked to take an action last night if you had one to take?

Anyways I think red was pressing about your "only get 1 shot" verbage since he has a role that allows him to get an extra shot for being successful with the first one. Probably wonders what would happen if you had taken vigi from him and shot scum with it since the role you'd be stealing specifically details providing an additional action under certain circumstances.

You didnt check this... before Night2???

Also you are able to hold usage of do you havr to use it the nect night?

What if your role has implications beyond 1 night.

I mean exactly that.

But your role is specifically 1 use and done?

For one,why not take cop-like.

Two how does your role interact with death having multiple different coupons.

There are two different schools of thoughts on how to resolve a Bus + Roleblock and BCT is claiming that they've gone with the weird one.

A Blocks C
B Swaps self with C
=
Scenario 1: C gets blocked (nothing happens) THEN B and C switch places. No one gets notified of a block
OR
Scenario 2: B and C switch places (successfully) THEN A's block lands on B instead of C. B gets a message they were roleblocked despite having succesfully swapped places.

BCT is claiming Scenario 2 occurred, which feels like the wrong way to resolve that to me personally. But it could just be down to host's discretion.

Igcd i asked you a question i dont give a shit about anything else involving you. You go answer it right now.

What was it, because I'm pretty sure I did.

Igcd i asked you a question i dont give a shit about anything else involving you. You go answer it right now.

Town can in fact flail.

What are the limitations on you targeting a player.

And you can only imitate one single person for the entire game?

Like you don't get to be Sultan's back up one time? And then someone else's backup one time (once another town power dies) ?

IGCD what do you mean you get "one shot".

Sometimes backups take a night to absorb a power
Though in return they usually keep that power for all remaining nights

I'm guessing it's like the imitator role in among us. And since Sultan was killed day 1 his power was available to be picked up, but had we killed someone without a power then IGCD would have been useless until a town with an active ability died.

Ah so the backup is instant

Hrm... easy to fake
Though I dont have an severe problem with your play either, coalition partner.

Who were you trying to scan? Could be relevant if we find out about redirect shenanigans.

Why spend the effort blocking him when you could just butter him up before giving him the gift instead

BCT claimed to target IGCD although we only needed this to begin with in case he somehow got blocked by targeting the jailkept person which we now know is not true.

Did IGCD ever claim something from n2?