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Forceful_Dragon posted...

2) Isquen is lying and didn't JK me

Literally been over why this didnt happen.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We still need to hear from ctes and sheep. But here's an update for the new page:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/8/AAXBdhAAE7Gs.png

Ctes and sheep have both been sround if they had something game changing to contribute they would have.

In no world should anyone doubt isquen at this point.

Like. I commend the attempt fd but no.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

ASSUMING Isquen is telling the truth.

Isquen is literally the only thing accounting for this.

Scum doesn't no kill except in very specific endgame circumstances.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

My base level take, regardless of flavor, is that it's an extra kill and kills go through mindful

Your base level take is wrong.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But sure, for the sake of argument let's say that we know with 100% certainty that Looper could be prevented by Mindful. Then great, that's interaction between roles, that's good.

That doesn't make me scum for expecting to see similar interaction between dumey's powers and what is being claimed by town.

You are scum because scum wouldnt shoot you and you are the only thing accounting for a lack of kill.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You're right, in the movie looper they just slap someone into a time machine and they drop dead from "time manipulation" when they show appear in the past.

oh wait, no, that's right. They shoot them with a big ass gun:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/1/AAXBdhAAE7Gl.jpg

I dont know shit about this but i think this kills your own argument because they have yo put them in the loop first.

Flavor arguments are typically stupid but this one doesn't even help your point.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

m not playing like someone who isn't invested in this game and I'm not playing like someone who expected to have it revealed that they were in a jail cell last night

Great your investedin the game goodjob that makes you town.

Specific wording is always important.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

How so? Loop sounds like an extra kill and Plum could be killed. Maybe he would die without traveling through time?

Plum specifically said he could be shot. Looper with its wording says it acts if they were killed in the prior day phase, but this is very specifically not called an extra shot. It is an " as if" not a "is shot".

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If you get me lynched today I'm 100% flipping town. So if you're actually town vigi you're making life harder on yourself right now and I feel like I'm the only one trying to solve this crap.

You haven't provided any reasonable alternative to why there was no scum kill.

This is the most damning evidence against you.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It's the exact same as trying to figure out what other mafia roles must exist to justify Plum's role. Neither of the two we've seen interact with "Mindful" at all, so whatever else is out there must involve some level of interaction with plum's role.

Plum presumably could not be looped. So this is false already.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

What does this mean?

Honestly it isn't meant for you to know right now it is something i can elaborate on after you are flipped.

You dont. Sorry.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Town can't flail? I'm really confused here.

Town can in fact flail.

UltimaterializerX posted...

That and it's very possible this game has no vanillas in it.

This is never something town should try to meta.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

WTF? You went from thinking I'm 100% town to calling me scum for saying I'd claimed vanilla? Sorry, that's a huge stretch coming from you.

Ulti is flailing because the answer is obvious and he wants to think he personally has something. Pay him little mind right now.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

JK and BG and single use BP feels like a lot.

And you have to "activate" your single use of BP? If you catch a stray before activation you just die?

No proper doc obviously, but it's still a lot of prot, but it gives some additional interaction to Dumey with 3 points so I don't hate it.

Yeah i think i see your gaming from a scum side with this post FD. Nice try.

Igcd i am going in a pool your silence is disappointing i will have follow up questions for you.

IGCD stop consulting the scum board.

Okay IGCD you target someone with a role, what exact limitations and outcome do you get from that? I'll have a follow up question after so hurry up.

Basically this me telling you fuck off redis here to play i will get my way.

Isquen posted...

##vote: wallz
Skimming at work and meant to swerve it onto wallz but hit post too early.

Targeting me N1 was illogical with the amount of shade thrown D1, and going back to point 3 of my first post of the day: please perish, por favor.

No. You still dont account for the kill not happening. Dont rabbit hole you frankly aren't good enough.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

When I use the players power it is a 1 time use. Not a full back up. If it gets roleblocked or stopped in anyway I don't get another opportunity to use it.

What are the limitations on you targeting a player.

IGCD what do you mean you get "one shot".

I would not yet be certain the gift giver is town but this is mere speculation at this point.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Works for me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Isquen

Ulti we aren't killing the only explanation for a lack of scum kill.

And there is no scenario where scum shoots plum.

He wasn't at all telling power and he was in everyone's poe.

Ulti let me throw you a bone.

I only got an extra shot because i hit scum.

Now sit down and chew on it in a corner.

PeaceFrog posted...

My point is that we don't know for sure that scum doesn't have another way of getting a second ninja in the future that they have to wait for or something.

Yeah but it is an error to assume scum has things out of the blue like that. It is never appropriate or useful to rabbit hole that hard.

Doesn't stop you guys but it never does more good thsn harm.

htaeD posted...

Changmas is there anything in the neighbor chat that could have given FD a watch/tracker impression?

I already gave FD the chance for this dont have chang put words in his mouth.

PeaceFrog posted...

Thought tbf maybe their other ninja has other preconditions that we're just not privy to

We have no reason to believe another ninja especially with no ninja on n1.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You're getting caught up on semantical bullshit. You need to take a break because your eyes are NOT clear right now.

I dont do semantics.

Also some of you(i dont actually remember who) convinced me not to shoot death.

I'm not sure i dont regret this.

PeaceFrog posted...

Regardless of if fd thought he would be watched or tracked, what scum team after what befell Dumey on d2 would target a non Chang neighbor on n2? Unless Dumey was not their only source of ninja.

Yes. Very much still this.

htaeD posted...

The thing is that Changmas didnt outright use the word 'watch' in his 2nd post is what makes me think of this as not that big a catch.

Also I dont know why a scumFD would think that either.

He literally said see IN the neighborhood.

htaeD posted...

That part I got.
I am trying to focus on Reds argument about what FD did or did not know about Changmas' power.

FD is trying to claim he thought chang could also track both his neighbors based on a post where he clearly said he could watch both neighbors.

It is complete nonsense.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If I were scum I think I would have believed that personally taking an action would not have been safe.

BUT it's not something I gave significant thought to because it wasn't relevant to me, as a person who can't take actions.

Nah you look pretty cooked FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

My point is I didn't know what chang's powers were limited to. I also didn't much care to overthink it. I don't have the ability to take an action at night so it was not relevant to me to have full understanding.

You didn't know or you thought he could somehow outlandishly track.

Your trying to claim two stories now.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

BCT was saying he got a roleblock message at the start of night phase, wasn't he?

I was under the impression he tried to use -mystery item- and then got a roleblocked message end of night phase.

FD i dont care about all that. Nothing he said infers tracker.

"I track and watch the whole neighborhood" is fucking outlandish."

FD none of those are new information.

And that you would say some mumbo jumbo about a post here and wouldn't have asked in neighbor chat. Nah.

I thought 3 possible options.

Chang was being wholly truthful and watched both of you.

Chang was lying and watched corrik.

Chang was lying and FD did one of the first two.

Chang tracked FD and Corrik. Never crossed my mind.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Um, no? He did say that and he did not provide full details for seeing dumey kill corrik. I doubt I was the only one with the impression that chang's role involved some sort of neighbor-centric information.

Yeah i know exactly the post you are referring to and no.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Something he said about knowing everything that happens in his neighborhood.

Okay so you made this up got it.

##vote: FD

Forceful_Dragon posted...

My impression throughout the entire night was that he had some bizarre role that could see all of the neighborhoods comings and goings and if I were scum I would definitely have made someone else send the kill.

What made you think he could see goings? That would defeat the purpose of neighbors being able to be scum.

If they were going to do that they'd rb the other neighbor i would think.

changmas posted...

surely scum team does not gamble the entire game on whether i can actually see everything that happens in my neighborhood and shoot (in this scenario, town) FD, right?

Right.

Oh hi.

Also i potentially like FD less when you account that if we take wording at its face value scum also does not know Lea's role.