Lurker > Leafeon13N

This is seen as a religious war(it is, but most voters dont know most of the background) so nothing will register in voters minds.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I don't know if I believe Ctes and that "Singer" role is on MafiaScum Wiki. And I know Ctes gets crafty with fake claims as scum. I still don't trust him very much.

If Red is claiming the hits on both SBell and Plum, I see two possibilities. Either Lea was a bomb who blew SBell up on the D1 time loop (Blade can get creative, so it wouldn't surprise me if her role was a "DocBomb" or something like that), thus giving Red his vig shot back since SBell was already dead, or he's SK, or he's scum doing some creative gambit.

If it's the first one, Red would've told us what happened. So he's most definitely not town vig.

##vote: Red

It is a struggle to decipher what you are trying to say here but this is top 10 one of the worst posts in b8 mafia history. Maybe top 5. Probably top 5. I dont even know how to respond to it because its not logical and its not even...just no. Someone else can take time with it if someone wants.

htaeD posted...

Isnt it useless for scum now that everyone has claimed?

Mostly, yes.

Oh wait i misread.

Still bad to claim.

ctesjbuvf posted...

My role is singer. If I get night killed the scum has a random town flip revealed to them.

Why would you claim this.

We know chang claimed watch on the neighborhood.

Weknow dumey got caught shootingin the neighborhood.

We know i shot plum.

We know plum was highly suspected.

We have only 1claimed method of killstopping.

This makes it likely isquen stopped a kill.mafiahas every reason not toshoot in the neighborhood.and especially not at notchang.

This makes it far more likely it was a roleblock on fd that stopped a kill and not a kill attempt on FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We can prove that I was protected last night just as much as we can prove I was roleblocked. But that doesn't seem enough to even entertain the notion that we had one less kill because I was saved.

Yes. A or b.

But one of those is less logical than the other. You getting protected would mean scum shot into the neighborhood again.

When i say i dont give a shit about something i mean it quite literally.

htaeD posted...

dont think FD tshooting these theories out is a tell or anything.
Its just not able to be proven

htaeD posted...

dont think FD tshooting these theories out is a tell or anything.
Its just not able to be proven

It isn't a tell. It just isn't useful.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

no fucking shit

Your contribution this game is lynching sultan.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Red hasn't really been that great lately,

What the fuck is this.

Hell i fucking shot sbell who did you shoot.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

. They aren't conspiracy theories, they are very REAL options for what might have happened

Options that may or may not have happened based on no evidence.

This is conspiracy. I dont give a shit about dumb out of nowhere "maybe this happened" based on nothing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum maybe have poisoned somebody and we'll see two bodies drop tomorrow. Poisoner fits in nicely with the Mindful role and it explains why only Plum died last night.

Also this may be a perspective slip because two bodies tomorrow would i think get people thinking I'm SK more than anything.

But you just took my towniness for granted.

FD i dont give a shit about your conspiracy possibilities.

Plum was flagging powerless townie or scum.

Tell me what you think town should do here and sfter your death.

Your conspiracy nonsense doesn't ping anything.

Like. Post a plan up. You are the one supposedly with information that you are town. Your word is gold when you flip town.

But town perspective says you need to die.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I can't tell you what happened, I can only tell you what didn't happen. And what did not happen is I did not receive a scum role this game so your "logical conclusion based on that information" is wrong and it doesn't matter how logical it is.

Ignore the logical conclusion because ??? is your reasoning.

You dont even have a logical altetnative. You are relying on everyone else to push guts and feelings.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

When the lynch leader is on 2 votes they can dictate a lot. The fucking neighborhood could have a large dictation if we wanted. But scum is happy enough with today, they are getting a freebie and nobody is trying to learn anything about it.

We spent the first half of the day learning what we had.

We should be making the logical conclusion based on that information. Not trying to conspiracy based on things we dont know.

Svum is likely outnumbered considerably at this point. Thinking they have some sort of large dictation of the day is a mistake.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

definitely relates to the available time I have to spend on things like mafia

Hey look exactly what i said. Way to make a point FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You might be the same, but I absolutely am not.

Didn't say shit didn't happen. But personality-wise, adults dont change much. Feels like most gain some stubbornness but there isn't a whole lot of change.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Okay it looks like it was after Isquen's claim but before literally anything else and before a mass had been remotely called for.

FD it was literally your words that you wrre waiting for them to step forward.

Like. I was very much into my adult life 10 years ago. So was FD.

Not like we were teenagers with drastically changing personalities.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Do you approach Mafia the same way you did back then?

Yeah actually. Availability is different but i approach the game very similarly.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If you put even HALF of your effort today into "what if FD does flip town" instead of waiting until tomorrow I wouldn't be as upset, red. But EVERYTHING from you is "we just have to do it" with no consideration to it being wrong. Spoilers: It's wrong.

If FD flips town we start rereading with the knowledge and combine it with a bunch of shit we'll also know tomorrow. Unfortunately there is only so much time and brainpower available and you are highly likely scum and if town chooses not to lynch you thats s big net loss.

Town is not convinced to lynch you and i am. I have to proiritize and that means working to get you lynched first.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Mutually beneficial for who? If I'm scum I post a catch like that in scum chat and nowhere else. I find anything else to talk to chang about if I'm just trying to appear active.

It isn't like you are hiding anything. You were expecting gift giver to claim.

You aren't losing anything from a scum PoV sharing with chang. You gain trust

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Also, ten years ago is ten years ago. That has no bearing on this game. Leave it alone, Red. It's not making you look good

What the fuck BCT. I already told death. Thst wasn't my argument. People are calling FD town. Without knowing him. For something that was in his wheelhouse. It absolutely has bearing.

Information sharing between neighbors is a way to build trust

Hell it wasn't even accurate information. And getting an extra pair of eyes on something questionable is mutually beneficial.

Corrik was also a proponent of fuck his neighbors.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe for the scum extra kill, but we know now that was SBell. Even still, I don't think I would EVER do what Dumey did day 1 to save a scummate, and i think most of you would say the same.

Fuck that. Lynch town. It is how you win as scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

By that logic NO ONE this game has value except chang?

Ummm. Okay for one your logic is not great. Two you forgot something obvious in relation.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That was straight up effort that had nothing to do with the size of my posts.

This is all stuff scum can do just as easily as town.

Value os what did you do to clear town or find scum.

You dont have any credit to your name.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You were in a much better mood 5 days ago, and everything since the series started has been grumpy, snappy and pissed off red. Maybe you are the one who should have checked emotion at the door.

I was just busy and tired and dumey was rolling over.

Once i take the claws out i dont put them back.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red, what happens if FD flips town?

We evaluate with whats on the board. The honest answer is probably shit happens in the night and we have a pile of information we can't quite foresee.

htaeD posted...

Oh that does make it more understandable then. Though you did seem to dislike him making long posts in general

Its not useful. He knows it. The lesser players dont.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Calling me town because of the effort I'm putting in.

Effort =/= walls

This is a semantic argument.

They are close enough.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You're just upset the Dodger's lost and you are pushing for a mislynch based upon ONE piece of information

Multiple pieces of information coming together.

Also i dont emotion like that.

htaeD posted...

Well earlier you said I was either stupid or scum, so thats how I took it now.
(and yes I would feel stupid if it turns out FD is scum and only posts walls because of that. Even if thats quantifiably hard to prove until FD plays more)

Your argument was stupid. I didn't call you stupid. I expect better of you or else i wouldn't call your shit stupid.

htaeD posted...

The Edumey stuff and the lack of a kill are.

I'm not the one making that argument about his walls. People started calling him town for that first.

So dont misconstrue my side. It wasn't him defending himself from attacks from me. It was me telling people to stop calling him town for something that was his scum wheelhouse.

Hell you all got lucky i was out of town these days or else I'd be on my normal schedule sleeping through morning and who knows how deep you'd all have dug your holes.

I woke up one morning you all were conspiracying.

The next morning i wake up to useless pointless role meta.

I dont deal with this crap.

Sheep007 posted...

Red, please take a step back. I want FD lynched almost as much as you and I agree with most of what you're saying but I don't think that approach is gonna win anyone over.

I dont give a shit if people want me down. You wake me up you deal with it

And i didn't say it made you stupid. But taking it that way tells me you are hoping somewhere it doesn't make you stupid.

htaeD posted...

I dont see how its crap, nor do I see how it makes me stupid.

Because you dont have reason to think FD is town or changed. You are just hoping for who knows what readon.

Sheep007 posted...

To draw upon gut and feelings, this is giving incredibly strong grumpy town red who is convinced he is right vibes

Fuck gut. Fuck feelings. Those are for day 1. Mafia is primarily a logic game.

htaeD posted...

But I feel like 10 years is a lot of time for FD himself to change as well.
Or due to his gap in playstyle, a lot of time for FD to forget how he played.

This is crap. Just crap. This argument is literally full trash can. I actually hope somehow you are scum.

We're not even getting into ignoring day 1 dumey.

FD was at the top of the vote and dumey goes and turns it to Sultan.

But sure. Lynch who you want cause you've got fucking feelings. Nevermind how often most of you have been on losing townsides recently unless someone better than you has a good game.

You guys are the literal worst right now.

Gsme state says exactly what we do. Its blavk and white. But we're trapping ourselves in guts and feelings based on a player most of you are completely unfamiliar with.

Your gut and vibes are wrong most of the time.

This is a blanket statement true for everyone.

Sheep007 posted...

I'm fine with FD based on play and a lot of y'all probably know how much I tend to operate on gut and vibes sometimes. But in this situation I think we need to check the boxes and resolve what is the only known explanation for no scum kill, and to do that we need to lynch FD. I am happy to consider what to do if he flips Town and that's actively useful, I'm not ruling out that we're missing something, but ultimately there are so many things going against FD in terms of actions. Lynching the most powerful claimed role left at this stage instead is shooting ourself in the foot.

Gut and vibes mean complete shit when we have knowledge on the board.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Wow. Yeah scum has to be hiding among inactives because these vote totals suck. Also when Red and FD were fighting no one else showed up, which is typically a town/town indicator.

##Unvote
##Vote: Isquen

No its not. Isquen is our only thing on the board accounting for a no kill. Hes not an option.