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Your son was doing the lords work. God isnt real, but the sentiment tracks. I hope hes doing ok.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

If you do something wrong when you're working on your car, nobody gets disfigured.

You sure?

divot1338 posted...

No ones disputing that they can learn surgery. The concern is should they?

Yes, YouTube is a valid learning tool when used properly.

Israels influence over American politics has been noted throughout the decades.

Israel =\= All of the Jewish people.

American politics =\= the world.

I mean if I, as an aircraft mechanic, can learn to fix cars from YouTube, Im not sure why a doctor cant learn to perform surgery on YouTube.

reincarnator07 posted...

Why on earth should I pay extra money for delivery if there is literally a delivery charge already? For what am I paying?

Well the delivery fee is so that the company can get you a delivery person.

Then you have to pay the delivery person yourself on top of that.

For some reason.

hockeybub89 posted...

I'm just pro tipping until we change society to where there is no need. Not tipping isn't going to eliminate tipping. It's just going to get people fired.

Not using the service will get people fired faster.

Smashingpmkns posted...

"The problem is DoorDash they're an evil company taking advantage of workers"

Okay stop using it then

"No"

Lmao refusing to tip isn't a form of protest or isn't sticking it to DoorDash. The only people getting hurt from that is the driver. And not tipping en masse isn't going to cause drivers to quit, it'll just make the drivers work more to make up for the lack of tips.

Yes DoorDash sucks, but so do people who recognize that and still refuse to tip while using their service. Just stop using it! It's easy.

I dont use the services.

hockeybub89 posted...

It's weird how everyone should just quit their jobs if they have problems with them, but we can't quit using food delivery apps because "It's not my fault things are like this". It's the exact same entitled customer stuff you see in-store.

Ok, but how does not tipping hurt the company? You're basically saying "I can afford to make a donation to the multibillion dollar global corporation, but not to other workers like me"

Im basically saying that I can afford to pay for what was on my receipt for my order.

I cant afford to make a donation to the worker on behalf of a multibillion dollar global corporation.

hockeybub89 posted...

Then how would not tipping hurt the company if they're literally telling you that they don't care about the drivers?

No one has actually articulated how not tipping instigates change. The greedy company still makes their money. No one who needs to lose is losing.

Tipping hurts the consumer, who are also the workers.

Now you have people who work for tips, paying the wages of people who work for tips.

Wheres the companys responsibility in this?

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Yeah, this doesn't happen. There is not a driver alive who thinks the tip will be a penny higher than what the app shows

I feel like you cant definitively speak for all drivers.

hockeybub89 posted...

I think that's highly dependent on the industry. And sometimes people don't want to leave their job, they just want to fix it from the inside. Obviously, people should quit really bad jobs for better opportunities if they're able. I've done so. But that doesn't necessarily fix anything.

Trust me, I DIDNT want to leave my job. My position as a bit unique in that in order to have the civil service position, you have to be in the Reserves. Look up the Air Reserve Technicians program. I left a job where I was considered the SME. I left behind people I deployed with. People I joined the military with. To take a private sector job testing superconductors. I was fucking terrified. I left behind my pension. My damn good health insurance. My TSP (government 401K). And the weirdest thing is that I still have to go back to that same exact place one weekend a month and two weeks out of the year because Im still a Reservist in that same unit.

Its not easy to leave, but protesting for what you deserve never is.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Brilliant.

Yet something tells me that the person willing to take a $2 job for an hour of their time is a BIT more desperate to survive than an aircraft mechanic making $30+ per hour.

After all, if they weren't that desperate, they'd have declined the delivery like all the other drivers.

Or they took it because no one else would, hoping the customer would h desperate enough to give an high tip because no one else would take the order.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Which is all well and good, except that it's putting a huge burden on the people least able to shoulder it.

I mean, follow the chain of events to it's logical conclusion. If you don't tip and your order goes through as a $2 job to the driver, how does it get delivered? The better-off drivers who can afford to pass on that job will skip it without a second look. Which means, if UT gets delivered, it is getting picked up by a driver who really, REALLY needs every dollar they can get. So much so that working for pennies on your 2-dollars-for-40-minutes job is acceptable to them.

And telling someone that desperate to just quit to stick it to the employers is rich. Real "some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make" type stuff.

If the customers stop using the service, the driver is still out of a job, but not on their own terms with another job lined up.

hockeybub89 posted...

Quitting is such a braindead protest. People don't want to lose their jobs, they want to improve them, to control them.

If youre not willing to leave a job that abuses you and doesnt think youre worth even the minimum wage, then Im not sure what to tell you.

And that mentality is exactly what the companies count on to keep you around making pennies on the dollar.

For 12 years, I worked a civil service position as an aircraft mechanic. I started off making $33/hr. 12 years later with a promotion, I was making $38/hr. My wage increases didnt even match inflation. So I applied for a private sector job making $35/hr because the room for growth was much higher. Two years later, I am at $39/hr. Once my other coworkers did the same, the colonel in charge petitioned a cost of living adjustment that brought the civil service wages to 2% higher than the private sector average for the locality because he was bleeding experienced aircraft mechanics.

Thats how you make change.

Unknown5uspect posted...

The only protest is for workers to quit. Nothing will ever change otherwise.
You don't see me looking to work a job where I don't get paid a wage. Too many other people are just okay with it.

I agree wholeheartedly. I couldnt imagine telling my customers (engineers) that if they want the work done quicker, annual appraisals are right around the corner. *wink, wink.*

hockeybub89 posted...

Then just don't give the company any money and hope that forces change. Stiffing the driver means everyone won except the person getting paid the least, the one most viewed as expendable.

Then just dont give the company your free labor.

When the company no longer has a service to provide, that will certainly force change.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Time and fuel are limited resources. If you want someone to prioritize you when they have to decide how to use them efficiently then you might want to kick a few extra dollars their way to make the decision even easier.

I dont want them to prioritize me. I want them to deliver my order within the specified agreed timeframe. That time is acceptable to me. If it wasnt, I wouldnt have agreed to the time.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Because you're not "opting out."

"Opting out" would be not using the service at all. Punishing the company inflicting it.

Using the service and not tipping isnt opting out, its opting in and saying "fuck you, got mine." It doesn't hurt the company or the system itself, it just hurts the poor schlub who has to now do the job for nothing, or even at a loss. And no, punishing the likely-already-poor gig worker is not going to encourage them to do something else, seeing as they're likely already desperate. Evidence: they saw your $2 for 6 miles tipless delivery and took it anyway.

No, it's not your problem. But there's the ethical way to protest, and the asshole way to protest, and using a tipped service and not tipping is squarely the latter.

The best protest is for workers to quit. Once the company can no longer provide a service, they will be forced to pay wages if they want to stay in business.

The customer protesting is the same result, except the worker will not be leaving on their own terms because cuts will be made rapidly and sporadically. At least with the former, the worker can plan their exit.

Solid_Sonic posted...

I've thought of pre-tipping as kind of like a protection scheme.

"Wouldn't want something nasty to happen to that chicken caccitore, hm?"

Solid comparison.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Bro this is literally why there's now a warning, for people like you that refuse to get on board with how incentives work.

Paying into a protection racket and bribing is a form of incentive, I guess.

hockeybub89 posted...

I feel like I'm losing the thread.

The issue is that its the company that decided you were not worth paying as you increase their profits. When a customer buys something, they expect that everything is included in that price. Imagine buying a table from IKEA online. 3 weeks later, you still dont have your table. You call IKEA and they give you the number to the contract delivery service who has your table. The contractor tells you that if you dont pay them directly, they wont give you your table. You explain that you paid IKEA a delivery fee. The contractor tells you that IKEA doesnt pay them the fee and you must do it. You dont see the issue with this?

This is how it should work: If the company refuses to pay wages, the workers should not work there. When the workers quit, the company no longer has a service to provide and must increase wages in order to stay in business. Thats not the responsibility of the customer.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Because it's not a tip, it's a bid.

Let's say you're a delivery driver and you have the choice between two orders. Both are for $15 and both are the same exact distance from the restaurant but in opposite directions, but only one order Iis offering a $5 tip and the other one isn't offering anything. If you only had enough time available to complete just one of those orders before you had to give the car back to your mom so she can go to work, which one would you choose to deliver?

The box quite literally says tip. And tips are renders for exceptional service.

When I pay for a good or service, I expect the cost to include everything it takes to get me my order within the timeframe specified in the order. If effort is made to get the order to me before ETIC, I will reward the effort.

If my order cannot be accommodated, then it will be cancelled, and my money refunded. If my order is not delivered within the specified timeframe, or is of poor quality due to transportation methods, I will have the order refunded and will leave a bad review.

hockeybub89 posted...

You're not really tipping when it comes to food delivery services. It's a bid. I know capitalism sucks, but paying for services rendered is kind of how any society with money works.

But the service hasnt been rendered until you get your order.

Tips are the new racketeering scheme.

The mob should get in on the gig economy.

Why would I pre-tip someone? How do I know the quality of service before I get the service?

Skyrazer posted...

What would actually be a legitimately good feature is a sensor in the car that detects if there is someone left in the car while it's off and the temperature inside becomes too hot, then the AC automatically turns on.

Seems every year there is atleast one case of a kid being left in a car during summer and dying of heat.

It would have to turn the engine on if you actually want the AC to do anything and to not kill the battery.

littlebro07 posted...

Those reminders are so easy to ignore.

If they really want to save kids they need to have the car sense weight and movement while turned off and then have that trigger the alarm

They aggregate you opening the rear door, the weight added to the seat, and the seat belt
being buckled to let you know that something is back there when you open your front door.

Spicy farts be the worst.

My guess that these general episodes are produced well in advance, with room in the schedule for breaking news. And these general stories slide up and down the schedule as needed.

Block_that_Kick posted...

https://twitter.com/ThisIsCreation/status/1718633709996216521

When you pass, most of your family and friends will find out from hearsay. Thats just how its always been. This is an evolution on that.

However to pay cops for leaks is goddamn gross.

Its to send China a message that we arent playing.

On the battlefield.

On the trading floor.

On the basketball court.

Im kind of a big deal.

Ricemills posted...

Shut the fuck up.
This topic is about Matthew Perry, not you.

And another one.

cjsdowg posted...

You have some of the nicest posters here like Duran telling you to cool down. So just cool down. Hey I know what it feels like to feel like people are all coming down on you for no reason. But this isn't one of those times. Someone people grew up watching just died. Let this one go. We all have to take the L sometimes.

Nice guy Duran should direct his energy those initial hostile posters.

Its the equivalent of telling me to calm down after I punch someone in response to them kicking me in the balls.

I have 4 kids, a wife, and a decent mortgage, so I pretty much paid for all of that. If something happens to me, the bills have to get paid.

HashtagSEP posted...

You made a dumb, childish post, had things pointed out to you about why it was a dumb, childish post, and then proceeded to lash out like a child.

What was dumb or childish about it?

HashtagSEP posted...

You can get the attention you so desperately seek in other topics, you know. You don't have to literally troll a death.

My post was verbatim Drown is what is essentially a hot kiddie pool?

Yeaaa there was an issue.

Thats certainly not trolling anyone.